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FreeDoom of speach...I don't agree when anything you say in this thread, but I will die for you to be able to say it :D

Edit: And yeah, It goes for all of you.

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No, what Zogg expressed was exactly:

Let him show what useful thing he brought himself to use that argument, still waiting

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shut up you abuseive people
i am trying to code something in html that has large buttons
it takes time and patience and a lot of reading to do it
and you learned idiots are demotivating me

i ll simply agree with dave and shut up
sealed shut

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Read the line above that sentence

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Read the whole argument. You can have 50 pages of good argument and discussion, when you finish it off with 'black people should not have any rights'... but please read the previous lines/pages (and still not a single example of what he brought to tmo, come on zogg)

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As I can't talk to cast of coders directly, can you tell him I'm sorry that I angered his mighty :)

But i think best thing to do is just to ignore it, more you say more you get in response.

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LOL, tl;dr I actually contributed nothing to tmo except vitriol, please let me hate on jolla more

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We have ppl from many countries the few are native English.
wonder how many members of this community are coders.
but, we all have something to say!

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So if you haven't contributed anything yet even though being a member since 1 year more than me, maybe don't use that stupid argument???

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The nokia 3310 is a very solid device. I still remember two females throwing copies at each other during a party back in 2001.

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IGG is a donation crowdsourcing site. I don't know what you think you are reading that says any different.

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Then jolla is a RNG.

http://images.freeimages.com/images/...ry-numbers.jpg

Set up a live stream, have a Web Party...Let Antti randomly select a few backers and then send last tablets to them and then close the tablet project, if not the whole jolla. They do not have gaming license.

I think its fair. One good product and one failed project is pretty good for these guys. lets call it quits.

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Wow. I was busy for the whole two hours and when I came back, I found four new pages of hate in this tbread. 100% of it posted by the one person accusing everyone else of posting nothing but hate. Please relax, man. Take some Valerian drops, make yourself some tea, grab a pen and paper, take a deep breath and write 20 times: "Even those who disagree with me can be right!"

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100% by one person, four new pages, is this a setup for another dadjoke? Come on, give us the punch-line, don't keep us waiting

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I have to agree: The love (or even fun) isn't as strong in this thread as it used to be.

So, to bring this back on track, speculating:
I hope the surprise for all of us who don't get a tablet will be the split screen mode stretch goal! So we can finally make use of the hundreds of pixels our beloved phone has to offer!

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So, a year has passed, Jolla officially gave some kind of an answer to this mess and yet.....
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2927/1...62358192c6.jpg

but still, there are a few of those....
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/58809649.jpg

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And what is that answer, pray tell? That vague statement about "some" backers getting something while others getting some mysterious "surprise"? Come on, that "answer" is beyond a joke. Would it really hurt them to say something straight for once? They are openly guffawing in your face and even inviting you to "speculate". What do you expect?

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oh dudes,please stop it right know. this is not a civil discussion is just a collection of not constructive at all posts. i dont want to offend anyone here, but last pages seems as they were written by a bunch of children playing who shout louder. everyone can express his own opinion, regardless his coding skills and other stuff, but without starting a personal fight. is so bad to deal with people who spend their words talking ( bad) about other people. i find them so boring. be brilliant,lets talk about ideas or at least facts

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Did you post that with a straight face? This thread has been nothing but brilliant/informative/factual in all its 3500 posts glory. We have same whining from same nicks all around, few discussions, few flame wars, please list the brilliant/informative posts, if you find 20 in the almost 4k I'll happily eat a sock. If you did not post it with a straight face, sorry, went over my head

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I agree with all that, but........
http://s.quickmeme.com/img/b0/b0b990...893816d562.jpg
...... like 862935893 times

At some point this thread was funny even though the outcome for most interested wasn't. But not it is just a whining zone.

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Alright. Speculation time. Number one, Juhani's blog mentions:

Number two:

So. The tablet project is over, and most folks will not be receiving a tablet. However, tablet backers will receive something. Moreover, that something is explicitly in line with Jolla's business plans and Jolla's investors.

I'm not sure that focussing on Jolla's investors will help too much; in the end, all any investor really wants is a return on their investment, and that can be accomplished in any number of ways. But Jolla's business plans are more straightforward: at the end of the day, their goal has always been to license Sailfish to hardware manufacturers. Manufacturing and selling their own hardware is getting them nowhere (actually, given this tablet debacle, it is actively harming the company).

Therefore, I would suggest that Jolla management is intensely interested in getting non-Jolla devices running a licensed copy of Sailfish into users hands as aggressively as possible. Any such device. So yeah, the upcoming Intex phone, maybe the Fairphone, some upcoming Russian device, etc. I would suspect that their plan is to give each contributor a heavily discounted or free unit of one of these devices, along with a sincere apology.

This would seem to be the most logical way, with respect to Jolla's business plans, to finish off the tablet issue. Not a solution I personally prefer, but it seems the most likely...

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So that's a valid reason for keeping on posting shiit even with an added aggressive tone,right? if you think this thread is not useful at all and you dont want to read stupid comments from some people you dislike, cause it is evident to all us they makes you angry, really feel free to avoid posting/skipping it. So if there were some of what you called here above "same nick whining ", dont you agree with me when I say it would be better to not feed the troll?
(PS: I am not saying I agree with your thoughts about those people here)

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Sorry don't follow you... to make a tl;dr
My spat with marxian ended up with him spitting out he dislikes Silica - useful after all
My spat with Zogg - not really, he danced all around when jolla was supposed to be dead, now returned to: there are problems dude, what did you contribute (coming from a non-contributing person oh boy)
then pichlo woke up: no idea, guess he took it personally, nothing worth more than this thread

Too bad that after Copernicus' worthwhile opinion we bring this back up, but please go ahead and dig up 19 more worthwhile posts from this thread. I'ts a shiithread where mostly people whine, don't see how this is out of line

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Hey, I love a good flame fest as much as the next guy. :) (Or, at least I did when I was younger; I don't get as much out of vitriolic tit-for-tat arguments today as I used to.) But yeah, I think it'd be nice to get back to some more meaty discussion. It seems the last pages of the Jolla Tablet novel have not yet been written, and I'm still hoping for a decent plot twist or two here at the end... ;)

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I was not referring strictly to you in my first post. I was saying just to stop discussing in that way. I am not taking the part of anyone here. I dont care about it, trust me. in the second post I said that your argument "the thread is unuseful since the start, so we can simply keep on posting poison/rubbish without problem" is not valid, at least for me. I was trying to report all you "altered" guys in a quiet (even if divergent in opinions) discussion. Please dont feel attacked by me, because is not my intention. Let's come back on track, if there is something new to say... I Have nothing to add so I can simply go to sleep. :)

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Good night

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this seems relevant

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Highlight for those who don't have time to watch the whole video (tl;dw?)
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-04-2016/c6CXxb.gif

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This got me thinking... I don't know any business that doesn't lie (intentionally or not). And that is because all businesses are built on humans. To err is human.

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I believe the surprise will be a SailfishOS license. Perhaps a way to install it on many different tablets via flashing. SailfishOS as a Cyanogenmod model seems inevitable.

And if that's the case, that's where they will lose me.

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Er, I'm having a little trouble parsing this. :) The whole point of Jolla is licensing the Sailfish OS. It already gets installed on many different tablets (and phones) via flashing; that's pretty much what the HADK is all about. And yeah, Sailfish is pretty much paralleling Cyanogenmod in every way possible: Cyanogenmod simply replaces the Android OS on Android-based hardware, and of course since Sailfish depends on libhybris, it also simply replaces the Android OS on Android-based hardware.

I'm not entirely sure what you're wanting different out of Jolla here... :)

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Right. I'm saying backers will get a license whereas most others have to pay to license their OS. Intex had to pay for the license. So my suggestion is that we, the backers, will not have to pay for it on our devices.

Speculation at best. Nothing new at the worst. A likely scenario that will not enthuse me at all. Especially if Android support is not part of the deal.

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The official Sailfish OS license (the one that Intex has) should supposedly have the Android runtime.

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That's great. Last I checked, my name isn't Intex. And if we were to get a license, would it be like what's on the community port for (for example) the Nexus 5 or something way more complete?

If more complete, what could that entail? It's all speculation as to the "surprise" could be.

okay, my other thought is that they will laser etch the backers names into the Moon...

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Licences is no compensation. Not anymore.

Jolla cant excpect me do hack a snack with their OS after royaly faked a tablet campaign, stole the money and as of yet not told the truth. Add to that after all this time we haven't got anything in return (not even the webshopers)just updates/blogpost that tablet coming soon :D

The OS is worth nothing to me anymore so it I think it's better they do a $200 dollar to charity from me, just don't want Jolla to have my money during current situation.

They took the fun out of sailfish. can they restore it? Doubtful but we will see...

I don't think we will end up empty handed :D

The scams will continue... ;)

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I agree with gerbick like I wrote earlier.
This license includes aliendalvik+other only-Jolla-stuff and normal os updates.
The way I see this fits well to Jollas businesses plans what Copernicus described.

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There hasn't been anywhere near enough speculation in this thread about this surprise for me. If it'll be possible to choose from a range of android devices and flash the same sailfish as on the phone with dalvik, with support, then I'll be wildly excited. We'll finally be able to see what it can do on high-spec devices.

Maybe the backers will get some other tablet, pre-flashed?

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I still don't see how licensing OS that does not carry any additional service that can make some money, not even a store with paid apps, can be a solution and a way to go for Jolla. And on top of that, I don't see a line of people in tents that are waiting so eagerly to buy something with sailfish on it.
And let's be realistic, sailfish still lacks a lot of things that are common on other platforms. And average Joe is not gonna buy one and try for himself, instead it will trust some review site that will bash it because of all the shortcomings.

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It has occurred to me that, "But more on that will follow, feel free to speculate!" simply means, "We do not know what to do, feel free to give us ideas!"