Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1196589)

That must have been quite awhile ago, since it was old news and no longer true when I moved to Russia in 2001.

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1196476)

Meanwhile, Miller/Coors/Bud... even Americans know those are crap beers. I don't drink those beers even when they're on sale. I don't damn sure drink them when I go to Europe - better exists for cheaper.

But the counter to that, Heineken. In the states, it's seen as a beer with prestige. It's not... it's a cheap beer in Holland and many better options exist. In the states, it costs quite a bit much more and folks equate that to something special.

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1196480)

However nearly every European also has a Nokia device that we can't seem to part with. Granted that many of them will be older handsets now and stuffed away in their junk draw, but they are loved. These phones are generally seen as their reliable "back up" phones and if you were to ask them what was the best phone they ever owned? They would still point to that device and follow it up with an anecdote of how "from all of the phones they have owned, their aging indestructible Nokia that still works today even after they dropped it down the toilet and drove over it too, is still the best phone to date".

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1196638)

I've been traveling and living overseas for periods of time for quite some time (read: I'm old)

I'd say that was true in the 80's and 90's. Doesn't make it less true since it's not recent.

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 1196648)

This thread has gone downhill, so while we're at it...



I do feel sorry for the USofA folks, the ones that enjoy beer that is. Most of the US stores are stocked with something that can pass as beer only if you haven't actually had beer ever in your life. The best beer I've encountered in the states was ironically Kingfisher (Indian, lager) which says a lot.

Sure, if you are persistent enough you can find some of the acceptable European beers, but it's insane through what loops n' bounds you have to go in order to get a decent beer in the US. Don't know about the west coast, but from personal experience - it's easier to find and get pure cocaine than a good beer in Chicago, and even in NYC.

As for Heineken, that's a scam beer - massively marketed as premium lager, but of hardly any quality. I mean, it's not a bad lager, but in any objective comparison it would land in the 'cheap', binge-drinking category. It still is tenfold better than what passes as beer in the US, tho, especially Miller which can be considered rainwater at best. What I don't get is that the Netherlands have other quite good mass-scale beers, why the hell did they decide to push Heineken? I mean even Amstel is quite better, let alone Grolsch...

Personally, if I am ever to permanently relocate to the USofA, one of the requirements to even consider the target city is for it to have at least one proper Belgian pub.

Signed: beeroholic :rolleyes:




So true... I hardly know of any person that doesn't indulge in reminiscence about how sturdy and reliable were Nokia phones back in the day. Especially the legendary 3310. "You drop it down the stairs, it splits in 10 pieces, you put them together and it still looks and works like new!" is something I've heard thousands of times.

Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1196584)

It's the complete opposite in the UK, the iPhone is a chav status symbol.

Research has shown the iPhone demographic to be low-skill, low-pay, low standard of education.

This is consistent with what I see in my own workplace, all the iPhones belong to the staff on the factory floor. Management have Symbian, Blackberry or Android.

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 1196648)

I do feel sorry for the USofA folks, the ones that enjoy beer that is. Most of the US stores are stocked with something that can pass as beer only if you haven't actually had beer ever in your life. The best beer I've encountered in the states was ironically Kingfisher (Indian, lager) which says a lot.

Sure, if you are persistent enough you can find some of the acceptable European beers, but it's insane through what loops n' bounds you have to go in order to get a decent beer in the US. Don't know about the west coast, but from personal experience - it's easier to find and get pure cocaine than a good beer in Chicago, and even in NYC.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1196658)

LOL. Whose research? YOurs? LOOOOL

Here is some research mate:

http://www.marketingcharts.com/direc...althier-13778/