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maxed4901

2010-05-01 16:02

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Thanks donchichi
If nokia target spreads little more into Asia, I would be much happier....I live in Maldives....I need FW from where I am so....NOKIA....GET ON WITH IT

Patola

2010-05-01 16:02

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenegadeFanboy (Post 636323)

Could you stop for just a minute with the rage?

Maybe only if you stop with the obvious, blatant unawareness that Nokia has gone out of its way to disrespect its customers?

Quote:

First of all, while I do look forward to some of the bug fixes in PR1.2, it is not even a minor version - it is a major one, coming with Qt 4.6 and application development compatibility with MeeGo and Symbian 3. This will change everything for our beloved N900. It will give us Shazam, it might give ppl things like separate Skype app (I love the integrated one), it will multiply the available apps for Maemo 5.

No, it won't. It did two months ago in Scratchbox and a few days ago in HK. It's more than enough to have been tested extensively.

It's not in the future. PR1.2 has been available internally (see the bugfixes dates) for a very long time. It's a great sign of disrespect from Nokia towards its customers. If I lived in Europe or the US I'd try to find some law that would allow me to sue Nokia for the unavailability of this update. In my country, I would have some merit to that based at least on false advertising (the bugzilla records, the availability of PR1.2 on scratchbox and so on). Too bad I can't do that because I imported it from the US and it is not released here.

Quote:

Huge? I don't think so, you get almost the same code as before (e.g. PR1.1.1), you have to make a few adjustments, maybe a little extra effort for QT 4.6.2. If this argument had some merit, they would delay the previous PR the same. deb packaging is pretty robust and can handle this situation very well.

Quote:

Third, I couldn't find any proof that the Chinese PR1.2 is the same as the regular PR1.2 for us.

...nor that it is different. So you can't assume one side or the other.

Quote:

They might needed to create a separate branch to quickly rush handwriting support and char support stuff in there.

So the HK release is not stable, is that what you think? When you say that they rushed code, all your arguments about testing time fail, because you are now justifying releasing early.

Quote:

Yes, I want the PR1.2 also. But I don't want to blame Nokia for a supposed PR1.2 running on the Chinese release.

It's running now.

Please explain to me, I never got it. Why do some people here insist in justifying the unjustifiable? Isn't it pretty obvious by now that Nokia is utterly and completely wrong for delaying PR1.2 to us, their loyal customers? Isn't it obvious that it's dumb, because they lose developer and power-user momentum by this? Isn't it pretty much the most obvious thing in the world that Nokia is not worth any protection whatsoever from anyone and should start right now apologising, correcting and compensating for that?

nosa101

2010-05-01 16:09

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by optimistprime (Post 636453)

The word is spelled "spelled", not spelt. Please go back to third grade grammar class.

Think one is English and the other is American

Laughingstok

2010-05-01 16:21

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by hedgemonsta (Post 636423)

I am extremely offended. i didnt get to see your photo. you had sobered up and removed it. not fair.

It was a video and it was probably too racey for this forum. :)

SirMuttley

2010-05-01 16:21

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by optimistprime (Post 636453)

The word is spelled "spelled", not spelt. Please go back to third grade grammar class.

jesus christ, some people here really need to grow up.

Oh and "spelt" is perfectly fine in British english :P

maxed4901

2010-05-01 16:25

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patola (Post 636488)

Please explain to me, I never got it. Why do some people here insist in justifying the unjustifiable? Isn't it pretty obvious by now that Nokia is utterly and completely wrong for delaying PR1.2 to us, their loyal customers? Isn't it obvious that it's dumb, because they lose developer and power-user momentum by this? Isn't it pretty much the most obvious thing in the world that Nokia is not worth any protection whatsoever from anyone and should start right now apologising, correcting and compensating for that?

Well...I used a Sony ericcson some 5 years ago,.,thought it was the best thing for a mobile....but then i met nokia n95..cool mobile..easy to use...filing configuration....what to say...fell in love with nokia.

Then shifted to N86, E71 and then finaly, on a cold day, crossing the market,met my dream partner..the N900..didnt even read the catalogue or ask the dealer what it does or not...just bought it there and then...cz when you say NOKIA, there WAS nothing else left to say..its all there,,,its a complete partner.

From the day i bought it, cant mms, if i use fmms, it might cause the fone to breakdown...seems its ok by nokia cz they have it in applications. I am father of 1 lil angel toddler, my wife is in Sri lanka and i live in Maldives to work.She used to send me pictures as mms. I soothed my daily life with it and after N900, miss seeing my daughter so much that i have almost taken a hating to the black THING. Cant get OVI store...Cant get Mozilla fire fox. according to the fone, its maemo 5, version 3.2010.02-8.002. Isnt that the latest?

Still, expecting the PR update, bcz m also reasonable and understand that it may take little time to develop the N900...but now as you say,,,its disrespect that NOKIA has shown to its customers. I cant accuse NOKIA cz I shud have seen the review before i bought it but then again, even old hogs cross the street...how long will it take for NOKIA to cross the street?We dont have product return office in Maldives. Otherwise i May as well have it returned..

geneven

2010-05-01 16:26

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patola (Post 636488)

I'll be happy to explain this to you.

Let's pretend for a moment that PR1.2 was first released to your favorite country -- presumably, the one you live in.

You immediately install it and run into a reboot loop, which you manage to repair after a few hours of work.

Three weeks later, Hong Kong gets PR1.2 and it doesn't have the reboot problem, which has been fixed.

Do you promise you wouldn't immediately start posting messages complaining about having been made a guinea pig and asking why Hong Kong got better treatment?

The moral is that being first isn't always best.

We don't know how long it will be before we get PR1.2.

It is premature to be insulted by this release order.

oskarmat

2010-05-01 16:28

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 636328)

i am?

nice

no, you're not. Chuck Norris can speak english

maxed4901

2010-05-01 16:30

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

GOD KNOWS....Oh and yes...NOKIA WOULD KNOW
Too bad, they are hiding in the dark....anybody got stones?

Patola

2010-05-01 16:33

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 636510)

This is not a good explanation because I already answered this issue in my original post: (1) there has been more than enough time for them to test, (2) it's in production quality at least in scratchbox and (3) the HK device. Plus, (4) bugfixes, as given in the changelog of PR1.2, do not carry such a big risk of bricking, and (5) the only major new feature is QT 4.6.2, which would not take too long to clean up also.

So you have at least 5 reasons why your argument does not apply and I can think more than that. As I said before, if this argument had any merit, PR 1.1 and PR 1.1.1 would also have had this huge delay.

tissot

2010-05-01 16:34

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patola (Post 636488)

It's not in the future. PR1.2 has been available internally (see the bugfixes dates) for a very long time. It's a great sign of disrespect from Nokia towards its customers. If I lived in Europe or the US I'd try to find some law that would allow me to sue Nokia for the unavailability of this update. In my country, I would have some merit to that based at least on false advertising (the bugzilla records, the availability of PR1.2 on scratchbox and so on). Too bad I can't do that because I imported it from the US and it is not released here

This is exactly the reason Nokia shouldn't even release the information it does now. Not to even talk about releasing release dates for updates(like already said non of the big phone manufacturer does).

You would have probally had heart attack with Droids fw already. Maybe the best option for you would be any of the phone manufacturers that don't release zero information about coming updates. With Samsung you can be happy to even get one fw update. :D

I want the fw update like anybody else here, but that just sounds childish. I'm sorry.

Aranel

2010-05-01 16:37

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgAmazon (Post 636391)

Well good bye boys, I will be banned:

Today I discovered that if you post asking for Ari fired of her job, you are insulting Ari, insulting community and if you don't allow your post to be deleted, then you are banned.

Well, then I must leave, this post of course will be deleted and I will be banned forever.
So my next trip will be Engadget.com, starting with comments to Nokia-Maemo-N900 device posts, so other people could be able to know about the "open" and "community" rules of maemo.org.

Regards to a lot of you, Bye to the others.

ARI, YOU MUST BE FIRED RIGHT NOW.

And, After 1h 30m this post is still not deleted and you're online, can we say that Maemo.org is open enough? :)

I don't think it's offending or harmful to say "X must be fired, because (s)he's not doing his work properly", sure it is meaningless, but people have right to say that. I'm sure your post will never be removed.

/* Damn, I'm posting on PR1.2 thread. I'm doomed :( */

Edit: By the way, It is May 1 here, I think Nokia promised to release new SSU on March/April, am I correct?

al678

2010-05-01 16:39

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by optimistprime (Post 636453)

The word is spelled "spelled", not spelt. Please go back to third grade grammar class.

The language is English not American.
Thank you.

kylepsp

2010-05-01 16:39

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patola (Post 636488)

Maybe only if you stop with the obvious, blatant unawareness that Nokia has gone out of its way to disrespect its customers?

No, it won't. It did two months ago in Scratchbox and a few days ago in HK. It's more than enough to have been tested extensively.

It's not in the future. PR1.2 has been available internally (see the bugfixes dates) for a very long time. It's a great sign of disrespect from Nokia towards its customers. If I lived in Europe or the US I'd try to find some law that would allow me to sue Nokia for the unavailability of this update. In my country, I would have some merit to that based at least on false advertising (the bugzilla records, the availability of PR1.2 on scratchbox and so on). Too bad I can't do that because I imported it from the US and it is not released here.

Huge? I don't think so, you get almost the same code as before (e.g. PR1.1.1), you have to make a few adjustments, maybe a little extra effort for QT 4.6.2. If this argument had some merit, they would delay the previous PR the same. deb packaging is pretty robust and can handle this situation very well.

...nor that it is different. So you can't assume one side or the other.

So the HK release is not stable, is that what you think? When you say that they rushed code, all your arguments about testing time fail, because you are now justifying releasing early.

It's running now.

Please explain to me, I never got it. Why do some people here insist in justifying the unjustifiable? Isn't it pretty obvious by now that Nokia is utterly and completely wrong for delaying PR1.2 to us, their loyal customers? Isn't it obvious that it's dumb, because they lose developer and power-user momentum by this? Isn't it pretty much the most obvious thing in the world that Nokia is not worth any protection whatsoever from anyone and should start right now apologising, correcting and compensating for that?

This is the stupidest reply I've read. Nokia aren't delaying the release of PR 1.2 at all. No date was announced so Nokia are not behind on anything. Also Nokia aren't not releasing now to piss you off or "disrespect" you.

Being disrespectful would be to sh$t on someone's grave. Not taking a while with a firmware release.

rpgAmazon

2010-05-01 16:41

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aranel (Post 636528)

The post was removed SIX TIMES.
Do you want the private messages?
And more of 90 of my older post were deleted too (more 180 yesterday, 96 today, look at google cached of rpgamazon on maemo.org if you want)

IS THAT OPEN ENOUGH?

xav	2010-05-01 16:42

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

If PR1.2 ever releases on monday, you'll all be very short of 4000 posts. Go on, post nonsense faster, I know you can do it !
That was my participation :)

(BTW Laughingstok I like the photos you posted, but are they really taken with an n900 ?)

gryedouge

2010-05-01 16:47

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 635836)

It will be released.

Does'nt this exasperate you at times? :rolleyes:

Patola

2010-05-01 16:49

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 636524)

How can you say that when Apple says the approximate dates of their next updates? Even though I despise Apple for their locked ecosystem, I have to admire them for their update policy - and not even only minor/bugfixes updates, bug whole new OS versions are made available in a timely manner.

The main issue with Nokia: if you have a public bugzilla and changelogs, which are something from the open-source world, don't mix them up with the closed-source mindset by keeping secrets and delaying releases.

Aranel

2010-05-01 16:50

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgAmazon (Post 636533)

Hey.. Calm down please, I'm not one of those "bad guys", lol, no need to shout. :) But of course I care about this community and it's openness. So If it's not a problem for you, It'd be better to talk about those private messages, if there's any insult/threat to you.

It seems we need a moderator here to make sure about why they removing your posts.

Edit: If you saw this discussion later; situation is now solved @ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...5&goto=newpost

GeneralAntilles

2010-05-01 16:56

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 636239)

Oh i forgot to say... change your product code to USA cos they always get it before us.

Hardly. The updates are usually released to the update repositories around 7-10 AM local time, beginning with Finland. FIASCO images are placed on the web usually within one to three days.

The problem with the UK is that Nokia UK is incompetent and releases images and updates there weeks after the rest of the planet.

rpgAmazon

2010-05-01 16:58

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Angry, but not with you Aranel.
Well it's supposed Reggie and Sjgadsby are moderators, right?
So we have the moderators to ask why posts were deleted.
Sorry, but Nokia-Maemo world is getting very nervous... bad thing start deleting post and ban warnings... But don't worry Reggie, don't "waste your time"...

gryedouge

2010-05-01 16:59

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 636346)

Want to apologize about last night if I offended anyone

Where you rapped over the knuckles at this stage? :rolleyes:

ste-phan

2010-05-01 17:00

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

In the first Hong Kong topic a person has promised to be back with news about the Skype functionality. Did anyone see his reply already?
Now I happen to not care too much about when this PR 1.2 gets released. If it adds videocall functionality to the integrated Skype client then the good old future of telecommunication will finally have caught up with the present year 2010 on our phones. Worth years of patience... :rolleyes:
(maybe even unnoticed for all those currently drooling over 15000 + 40000 crap and secondary apps on iphone and android)

Now does it have Skype vid in HK or not?

Dave999

2010-05-01 17:03

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

first nokia stock falls, than Olli-pekka (maybe) falls, than no PR 1.2 and now deleted posts. where will this end?

Bec	2010-05-01 17:05

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgAmazon (Post 636554)

I think you deleted your own posts :D

Anyway this thread is so useless yu could delete it entirely and still not lose anything important:p

rpgAmazon

2010-05-01 17:08

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bec (Post 636568)

I think you deleted your own posts :D

Anyway this thread is so useless yu could delete it entirely and still not lose anything important:p

But I had a lot of other (unusefull, of course, I'm a Troll) posts they are deleting too!
All that nosenses lost forever? What a shame!

Aranel

2010-05-01 17:11

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bec (Post 636568)

Anyway this thread is so useless yu could delete it entirely and still not lose anything important:p

Quoted for truth. :D

Rauha

2010-05-01 17:11

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 636563)

where will this end?

It well end when Chuck Norris, Mr T and Bruce Lee get together for a fight that will be so awesome that universe can't handle so much awesomeness. This will cause the universe to collapse onto itself, which will create a giant universe sized black hole.

But that's ok. Chuck Norris can escape black holes. Chuck Norris eats black holes for breakfast. They taste like fish.

berty

2010-05-01 17:13

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Because China said they'd invade Finland if they didn't release PR1.2.

Dave999

2010-05-01 17:16

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Hey, Rauha. Can you knock @ nokia office and see what they are doing there. Maybe wake them up?

I want PR 1.2

thx

Bec	2010-05-01 17:21

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Chuck Norris vs. Wolverine

Place your bets!

Rauha

2010-05-01 17:25

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 636591)

Hey, Rauha. Can you knock @ nokia office and see what they are doing there. Maybe wake them up?

Sorry but it is the Walpurgis night + Labour Day combo weekend.

I'm drunk, I'm pretty sure that everybody who works for Nokia is drunk and well....have to go drink some more.

Dave999

2010-05-01 17:26

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 636607)

Sorry but it is the Walpurgis night + Labour Day combo weekend.

I'm drunk, I'm pretty sure that everybody who works for Nokia is drunk and well....have to go drink some more.

That is why we never get the PR1.2...

Laughingstok

2010-05-01 17:32

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by xav (Post 636535)

Yep. Should be able to check the data on them if you dont believe it (not sure why you wouldnt)

planetf1

2010-05-01 17:42

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

WHat's frustrating to me with this whole PR 1.2 discussion is not so much when it will be released, but rather the fact we have these large monolithic releases at all.

For all the openness around maemo development we don't have what we get on desktop linux distros -- ie all capability packaged, regular updates, and a variety of repositories to reflect different needs (ie stable/beta/development)

I hope this will improve in meego -- and of course it's also right to expect updates to be bundled carefully for the stable channel, whilst beta and esp development can be more dynamic/use at own risk.

And cruicially making individual packages available would allow affected users to get hold of very specific fixes they need (for example I'm waiting for a certificate manager fix to address a wireless eap-tls issue) promptly .

Let's hope this changes and this whole "PR" discussion becomes irrelevant in future.,

rpgAmazon

2010-05-01 17:47

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and Chuck Norris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 636619)

Yep. Should be able to check the data on them if you dont believe it (not sure why you wouldnt)

Can we nominate her to the council like "divine inspiration of maemo.org"?
Is she real or a Maya-rendered Godness?

Laughing Man

2010-05-01 17:51

Re: HK N900 running 10.2010.12-9. Is this the PR 1.2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenegadeFanboy (Post 636323)

Second, there is a huge difference between preloading a firmware in the factory and making it available for seamless OTA update. (Update being the crucial one - like not destroying your existing data and apps, right?)

Third, I couldn't find any proof that the Chinese PR1.2 is the same as the regular PR1.2 for us. They might needed to create a separate branch to quickly rush handwriting support and char support stuff in there.

Yes, I want the PR1.2 also. But I don't want to blame Nokia for a supposed PR1.2 running on the Chinese release.

I think alot of people need to read your point I put in bold. Thank you. Especially considering the amount of problems the last update had (people couldn't install it because of installing apps that ate up rootfs, issues downloading it, etc.. etc..)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarae (Post 636362)

I'm sorry but what COULD change the device is actual support from developers. What I've seen so far is the usual Nokia lapdogs(Offscreen) + maybe Shazam. Bringing QT doesn't magically bring tons of great apps, there has to actually be some interest for the platforms from developers, and I really haven't seen anything so far to think something would actually change.

True, there isn't going to be an explosion of applications just because PR 1.2 comes. The significant thing about the update (besides bug fixes) is QT compatibility. The more devices out there means more of a userbase for developers to sell their applications too. And if developers can target several userbases (Symbian, Maemo, Meego) with one application developed using QT, well that's a strong incentive for the developers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetf1 (Post 636629)

I do think there should be a process similar to extras-devel, extras-testing, and extras for application updates. So people who are willing to be beta testers and acknowledge that they are testing a potentially buggy fix can install it and give feedback.