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so basically it's not possible to scam via crowedfunding then? So I can sell the world and deliver a peanut :) I say it's legal but still a scam :)

Jolla performed a scam, wether it's was intensional or if they scamed themselves at the same time Is another question we never will get the answers to.

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Of course it is!

No, Dave. The word "scam" implies an intention. When it's not intentional, it is called "incompetence".

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So Ubuntu edge was a scam but not jolla?

Incompetence, could be in the mix as well but I have no clue. Let's focus on the scam. To me the word mean saying something but do something else while you benefit and others lose. It has not to be intensional at all.

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Did no want to imply that ;)
Even your genius conspiracy theory antti being the last one sitting at his home laptop on kaymen islands, having payed the last leaving sailors to keep silent and continuosly trolling us to keep the rest of the humongous financing round all for himself is not completely to be ruled out from my limited knowledge.

And i'll be the first one to sincerly apologize to everyone in form of a sushi-voucher if i may have mislead with my puny optimistic assessment of the puzzle.

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go Dave, go
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...40/668/58a.jpg

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"so basically it's not possible to scam via crowedfunding then?"

Gotta be careful saying that where I live man...
crows and ravens are EVERYWHERE here ...
thick as ants...
and they are veryyyyy smart.
and they can hold a grudge...
as far as "crowdfunding" ...
naw not possible to scam via...
as the above pichlo mentions incompetence as the leading factor...rather than scam...
also there appears to be alot of very very fine print with these crowdfunding methods and services...

Now ...perhaps it is possible to scam people via "crowdREfunding campaigns" ....

but along with the whole incompetence thingy...
no one pipes up to say they are dumb as posts...
but a whole lotta "dumb" gets flung around as an excuse....

"Sorry...we went tits up...becaaauuuseee....we are dense as tree stumps...no money back...no product...no accountability...we gone...bye bye..."

I never ever ever hear anyone say that...

but it sure is the sum total of a hell of a lot of enterprises and they don't need to be crowdfunded to do that to investors...full corporations, industries, businesses do it too...there is no special club to join...this behaviour has been going on for a long time now....
and has become accepted...

but I sure do hear about how brilliant people are...

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Jolla officially encourage us to speculate so I think its time to step up the game.

I'm Batman. Got it, kinggo? :D

I think about 98% of earths population is pretty dumb( me included here)

1% is smart. And the Last percentage is brilliant!

So in this case of Jolla tablet only the 1% the brilliant got the tablet. Some say it's luck, other say it's faith. I say it's pure brilliance to put the order in right time, in right place with right memory size!

On the other hand, atleast 50% probobly more would say that they are brilliant :D

Bytheway...Jolla used the word "suprises" not suprise...so we we will get more than one thing or several options.

Could be an invitation to Jolla office and free beers, several of them. Might not be hw or sw but an experience.

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i want one of those tablets that someone don't want.
I think you people are having a hard time understanding what has occurred.. in your minds you think you got screwed.
take a step back and look at things right now!!!
We have just gotten , to the masses ,an operating system, on many,many pieces of hardware, out to the public!!!! when someone uses these devices an their buddies use these devices,
Things should look up for Jolla|Sailfish in the long run.
This is exactly what needed to happen . so you folks that are happy with your devices need to sound off.
And Jolla needs to rectify the the returns or whatever very soon
so that we can all work together on this GREAT project. even though im not a dev/contributer , i would like to see this project makeit big time !! so stop with the negativity Please!!

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I want to see Jolla make it and break it but you have to deserve it.

Yep, I'm having a hard time to understand.

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Huh?

Sorry Dave, but I'm not sure I follow. You want to see Jolla make it, but also break it? Is this either double talk or some version of a saying that isn't translating well?

I think we mostly want Jolla to do well, that's why a lot of us supported the crowdfunding. And all of us that are upset, we'd like some resolution that makes sense to us one way or the other.

Words like fraud, scam, et al... doesn't mask the fact that a lot of bigger companies have failed at crowdfunded projects. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make the anger less important. Just that it's a sad, sad outcome sometimes.

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Make it and break..?

What occurred:
Make it
Take it
Break it
Fake it

So now we are waiting at a cross road:
Forsake it
Or
Bake it


Only time will tell...

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ROTFL. indeed you nailed it :D:D:D

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@juiceme, your post is ambigious :D ;)

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Pichlo brought it up so this was just an short answer to him? How can I know?

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Mad rhymes bro!

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Well, here's the clue then :D:D:D

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don't bother...... he said that he is that 98% :D

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Ok, so a company , for the sake of argument lets call them "jolla" says give us some money and we will produce a tablet running sailfish. Sounds like a great idea. You give them money. They say give us more money and will increase the hardware specs.Great you say, and give more money.They say gives up more money and we can develop a better OS, you give more money.

Jolla takes your money for shipping.

we wait... and wait ... and wait...

Oh dear Jollas run out of money

No tablets for us - shame

NO more Jolla!!!! but wait ..no....jolla is still going strong with its OS. New agreements with various company

Hurray!

Tablets for us?

we wait... and wait ... and wait...


Fairytale? negative? no ...sadly its the truth

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Jolla should invite all backers to Barcelona and mwc to have one huge release party!

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Well, I've been there a few years back for a customer, and even the visitor tickets for mwc were about 700 USD each. Just sayin'. :D

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Yeah, but we set up shop outside with BBQ and bonfire!

5000 jolla supporters outside will put Jolla on the map for sure :D

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Yeah, not much has changed since then :)

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Ok, plan B.
We meet at Barcelona Harbour a day before and get some 15Kg fresh caught sailfish per maemoen. (needs direct investment of only ~75€ per person).
I will show you how to cut it so it leaves ~8kg of high grade sailfish sashimi filet.
From this you will be able to make ~160 Portions of 50g "Sailfish Sashimi" you can then sell for 7€ (minus 1,067€ spanish VAT) each from a mobile stand you will be carrying around Barcelonas main party street "La Rambla" for that night.

A build plan for the mobile stand will be send to your email a week before departure.
I will bring enough knifes and chopping boards for zero rent.
Enough soy sauce, wasabi, chopsticks, disposable snacktrays and plastic gloves for your 160 portions will cost a flat-rate of another preinvested 75€ for that night.
So you will remain with exactly 799€ after a successfull night making 949,152€ (excluding 170,85€ vat) and thus already payed back 150€ investment in a whole.

Do not forget to bring you health certificate and tell your local media for promotion :cool:

By my estimate around 20 of you could join before the sailfish sashimi market is saturated for that evening.

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Are you Jedi sushi master?

It will be very difficult to keep that amount of sailfish Fresh and tasty...

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Perhaps the tablet backers could organise a flying picket, starting at MWC, then moving on to the other technology events throughout the year until they receive either a tablet or a refund. They could wear Guy Fawks masks like in V For Vendetta and burn an effigy of Antti Saarnio. Such an exercise would be quite costly, so they would need some kind of funding. I suggest using Indiegogo.

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Naah, 8Kg per person is easily kept super fresh in a small icebox you can carry with the mobile stand over the day ;)

What most people are not aware regarding "freshness" of fish, is that the poor stuff laying around in your supermarket has been kept for up to 18 days at 2°C and is still marketed as fresh, but only to be eaten fully heatet through already after 9 days.

Japanese kind of freshness is 2 days.
First day it is being caught and transported.
second day prepared by whomever and eaten raw, marinaded, cooked or fried.
You can eat fish raw until the 8 day, but that again is for european fish noobs with tough stomachs.
I normally get my stuff from Paris (Rungis fish market) and have it when its 1 or 2 days old. Then serve for max. 3 days.

So back on offtopic, regardless to the surrounding temperature, a fish that is being cought at night can be served raw throughout the whole day without being cooled at all. You only need the ice to "convince" the customers in that case.

If we are less than 4 People we would fit into my Bad Boy with active cooling and do 640 portions from there :p

http://mosushi.net/misc/sushimobil_01.jpg

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Your registration number starts with NEMO. :)

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Usually when I do sushi(raw or rare) I get it semi fresh(like you describe above) and freeze it (for 2-3 days) for a while and then fix sushi...dont like parasites.

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Yes and my daughter still hates me for that :D
Easter egg: there is also a nemo on top.

oooh, don't do that.
To kill parasites it is mandatory to have the fish frozen for 24hours already by the whole seller. So the Job is already been done and the more often you freeze it the consistancy suffers and possible bacteria from the processing spread unnecessarily!

Just go for smell and texture to evaluate!
If you press the fish the resulting bump should go back to normal state as fast as if you press on yourself (depending on your own freshness that is :)

I also freeze my stuff if i plan to use it max. one week later knowing absolutely sure that it was not frozen before.
But i have a special dealer who is only allowed to sell me unfrozen fish because we both have a license to handle it.

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You have a license to handle fresh fish? :D

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More to the point, do you have a license to kill it?

Here in the UK, the traditional Christmas meal is some kind of a bird. It used to be a goose in the olden days but nowadays it is usually turkey.

Where I grew up though, it was and still is... fish! Usually carp. They sell it live before Christmas and people kill, skin, gut and cook it themselves in their homes. I used to do it a lot when I was young. It was fun having a live carp in the bath tub :)

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Its more of an agreement with the officials. Even at Rungis most wholesellers only get fish that was frozen. (From big trawlers with long routes) It is also cheaper because they can handle it longer and thus speculate on prices.

EU rules come in and say that even fish that was caught 200km away and thus takes a quality hit from freezing has to be frozen as soon as possible to prevent parasite problems.

Now i have special dealers who buy from small quick Fischerman and sells the same day to me (8 hour drive of a middleman with coolwagon) so i am the first one in the chain that has to freeze it.
Now my permission by local offiials is to serve it unfrozen if i inform my customers. Which is very nice of them, because EU regulation sucks the balls out of everything high Quality imho ;)

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Awesome anecdote!
Those where the times. My Grandma killed/prepared chicken and goose by hereself and i had some awkward moments in my childhood :D

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Cool! The same with my grandpa and rabbits. To this day, a rabbit is food as far as I am concerned, not a pet as it is common here.

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I think you are derailing the thread away from sailfish now. Sailbird...No.

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Must be weird taking a bath with a fish in the tub...

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and then eat it :D




Yeah, usually do. ;)

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We took turns.

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And thanks to this one sentence... I probably now need a new keyboard.

Totally spit out my tea and laughed out loud.

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Like this...?

http://www.serkis.com/images/9986.jpg

Where did you grow up?