Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Could you offer the implementation of this technology in you bet with fanoush? B)

Disclaimer: I don't know either who will win.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Wow, if even a Nokian can't say who'll win the Pandora/Nokia shipping bet... :eek:

But, as to the technology -- is talk.maemo.org going to stay with vBulletin as the platform?

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Yes, it's called gmane

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Yes, like gmane, but without all the ugly.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Yeah, but Quim's become an expert at compartmentalising his mind into bits which other parts may never reach ;-)

Yes. It's going to be the exact same site, with a new URL and a new theme.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Sometimes knowing one of two variables doesn't provide more certainty that knowing none.

But my point was: are you going to pick a battle as council member and fight until resolving it? I'm asking as a community member that did vote.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

I would prefer if community members that did vote would tell me what battles I should pick. I mean, that's what most elected people do, right? But in this case, I was elected without even a platform; so I'm at a bit of a loss as to what my constituency wants me to do.

Sure, I'll try to put together a serious proposal for merging the forums and the mailing lists. But what does my Community Councilorship gain me in this area? What difference is there between me and a long-term, respected member of the community like PenguinBait doing something? From what I can tell, the answer seems to be, "not much"

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Can I ask questions (I did vote)?

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

Sorry, maybe you missed my list:

What the council is working on?

How can I give my input?

How can I get involved to help?

How can I request help? (what type of help can/should be requested)



Can there be a single place that contains this information? This is my request, my question, my wonderment....

I think that you could get more people involved to help if people actually knew what was being worked on. I do not have anything I want help with. I may be able to help with some low hanging fruit if there was some published list of tasks that needed to be done, as I think would others.

I am merely putting in my two cents as to a problem I see. Qole even seems to also acknowledge some confusion. If you think all is great in maemo land, do as you please.

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 

And maybe you missed the answers?

Currently, the council is involved in:

• The organisation of the 2009 Maemo Summit
• Backup mentors for GSoC, supporting the wonderful work that VDVsx is doing
• The redesign of maemo.org
• Pushing for the community's vision of the Hildon Application Manager
• Organising the maemo.org sprint meetings (next is on Monday)
• Ongoing tasks such as ensuring that one bit of the community knows what's going on elsewhere

Depends on what you want to give input. We act on information we glean from maemo-* mailing lists, blog posts syndicated to the planet, threads here, conversations here and our own personal opinions (after all, we were elected because of our opinions, so they have value).

One of the purposes of the council is to prevent long discussions about "how best to do X" when it would be simple to do, it shouldn't be controversial and it can be changed afterwards anyway.

But "how can I give my input [to the council]" is the wrong question. The right question is "how can I get involved in more community work?" to which the answer is "just do it" - you don't need anyone's permission, although the council can probably advise you if there's anyone you could join up with rather than reinventing the wheel.

Just ask. We can always say "no". The best example I can think of is Mer having a build system behind the same restrictions as normal firmwares, so that closed components can be included under the same licencing terms; or helping formulate the list of closed components to give to Nokia.

Stskeeps started it and drove it, but I like to think we helped in some way. Again, though, there's nothing that couldn't be done by any other respected member of the community.

The key point of the council is: by being elected, it allows people (incl. Nokia) to know that the community sees us as the respected members.

An obvious place to put such meta-questions (which may form a council "FAQ") is http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Community_Council

I think you missed my point: the council doesn't need an army of volunteers ready to do our bidding. We're facilitators, not commanders.

Don't do anything you don't want to do (or wouldn't do otherwise). Specific tasks are generally raised on maemo-community or our blog. Some of the ongoing stuff:

• Post here, help people.
• Subscribe to maemo-community if you're really committed; or watch maemo.org/news/
• Help triage bugs (i.e. join the Bugsquad)
• Improve the wiki

The basic rule of community involvement: if you see a problem, don't wait for someone else to fix it.

I'm trying to help you (and qole) understand my vision and understanding, but please stop the passive aggressive crap.