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tso 2009-09-05 23:47
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
a sure thing is always "better" for the stock price.

ones there was a saying, "onone have been fired for choosing ibm".

qole 2009-09-06 02:49
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 321953)
I'll settle for being pleasantly surprised that it does change the game in a huge way. I'm hopeful. But I'll remain cool and calm until otherwise.

And secretly pulling for the N900.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 321961)
... I'm sitting back and watching you guys hash it out... I'm just remaining hopeful that this comes out as big as people are hoping it will be.
I think the Nokia execs have decided to take the same stance as you have, gerbick.

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Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 322177)
Maybe Nokia is cautious to do that with an OS still very much in beta. After the release - probably, when the major issues are addressed and the platform is stable.
I wonder if this is why?

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Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 322190)
I suspect some senior execs at Nokia aren't happy with the push to Maemo for higher-end devices than Symbian (mmm, politics).
Or maybe this?

Or maybe it isn't a conscious policy at all...

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 322374)
Remember what I said about the N800's success surprising many in Nokia?
...Wish I knew. A real head-scratcher.

Texrat 2009-09-06 03:16
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 321944)
Nokia has chosen to go ahead with N900 announcement without official partner, and at the moment they do not have any cheaper price for the N900 than the official $650 on their site.. (or even more in Euro), do they?
Simple psychology. Taunt potential customers with the features, dismay them with the list price... and when the official partner is formally announced along with the after-subsidy cost, watch the real salivation begin...

dansus 2009-09-06 03:23
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 321944)
Yes, I see your point. But what's the point (for the writer, not specifically a Nokia advocate) to talk about the reasons why the N900 isn't available for any less than what Nokia is selling now? He's already mentioned the possibility of T-Mobile subsidies, what more do you expect from a short intro article in PC Mag? Another full paragraph to explain about Cell phone subsidy practices and how that accounts for the price discrepancy?

Nokia has chosen to go ahead with N900 announcement without official partner, and at the moment they do not have any cheaper price for the N900 than the official $650 on their site.. (or even more in Euro), do they?
The device hasnt been released yet so carriers cant offer it for sale, so its a bit disingenuous to suggest that it wont be carrier supported.

Secondly he was implying that in order to be accessible to consumers, it would have to be subsidised to an unusual level, which is not the case. Other phones that are more expensive than the N900 have successfully launch to market.

Also his language is out of step with normal journalistic practice, indicating bias or lack of understanding, most readers wont get past this strong statement-

Quote:
"Nokia is selling it at a fatal price of $649. That's the price of three iPhone 3GSes, plus tax."
It needed correcting for the good of the device and the consumer.
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ysss 2009-09-06 03:48
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
@texrat: if the product has no competition or it is very far and ahead in front of its competitors (ok, arguably so for a certain crowd, but it hasn't yet reached that mass market appeal afaik atm), then i agree that's a good thing. Otherwise some people can quickly write it off their device selection shortlist due to price issues.

@dansus: yeah, I can see if the writer is a fanboy or a nokia marketing guy, he'd take the time to explain why his favorite device isn't priced competitively, probably making a sidebar article about the deficiencies of US Cellular Market and its subsidy practices. Otherwise, I don't see any factual errors in his writing.

dansus 2009-09-06 04:03
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
@ysss, its what he said not what he didnt say.

"Nokia is selling it at a fatal price of $649"

Making this statement before the device has even been released was irresponsible journalism. If he had contacted Tmobile and they had confirmed they wouldnt be stocking it, then it would be a fair statement.

daveb70 2009-09-06 04:20
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
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Originally Posted by tso (Post 322198)
from what i understand, one thing that makes blackberry blackberry is remote wipe and control of available actions.

from what i can tell, the control of the n900 will in the hands of the owner/user, as much as nokia could make it.
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Originally Posted by fms (Post 322210)
This can all be easily added, if needed. In general, if a client is willing to buy a large enough batch of merchandise, the seller will customize it for the client.
The remote wipe should be there already - Mail for Exchange I believe is just ActiveSync for Exchange, which we do at work for our iPhoney junkies. I've already had to wipe iPhones remotely in this manner and it works fine (assuming signal/the device is active on the network).

Even the iPhoney 3.0 configuration utility doesn't give you the expanse of options available as the BES does for Blackberries. Sorry, but if the U.S. gov allows BBs but not other smartphones/PDAs, that says something for it being a qualified and secure business device.

Although I would instantly hook my N900 into my Exchange mailbox, it won't be quite at the same level of security as the BB overall. At best we could "hope" for a config utility that can be applied to an N900 to control and enforce certain policies, but I don't see that as being high on Nokia's list for this generation.

As for what makes Blackberry Blackberry- it does what it does very well.

ysss 2009-09-06 04:23
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
@dansus: and if t-mobile doesn't carry it. should he also call up every potential online retailers to find the best possible price? There's a reason for MSRP.

dansus 2009-09-06 04:48
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
Whats that got to do with it, retailers are not carriers and theres only one possible 3G carrier in the US.

Come on, play fair.

ysss 2009-09-06 04:59
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
@dansus: he's already mentioned the tmo possibility with some good (imo) approximate prices right after that oft quoted line. Anyway if it matters to you that much then you should contact the writer.


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