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fatalsaint 2009-12-15 01:28

Re: Is it time to re-structure talk.maemo.org ?
 
I think we had a disconnect. "Current" would be a main category.. with "Diablo" and "Fremantle" as separate sub-categories. N900 users shouldn't be posting help requests in "DIablo" and vice versa for Fremantle.

Right now we have an Applications, Games, Devices, Operating System, and several other areas .... As a new user especially, and even as one that's been here a while.. I'd have no real Idea where to post a question. So I just wrote an Application, we'll say a game, it runs on my N810 using Diablo.

Would I announce it in N810? No, technically it will run on N800's running Diablo too. Games? I guess, but it's also an application, and only works for Diablo. Applications? Ok, but it's also a Game, and same problem as being Diablo only. Diablo? This is probably the best bet.. but it might go missed by people looking specifically for "games" or "applications".

This is my dilemma with the current layout. With the new layout it would be pretty straight forward... It goes under Diablo. Anything running diablo would then be able to test it and report back.

A separate section for "Hardware" would then contain the N900, N810, N800, N770 sections and, as Tex said, be specifically for hardware only. Granted.. that becomes immediately confusing to new users when they look at the index... "Do I post my question in N810, or Diablo?".. so it would be up to the mod's to move threads to the right areas if someone cross-posts.

Include with this some ability for users to "select" which categories they want the "New Posts" link to only show (or all) would also be beneficial. So as an N810 user, you could enable Diablo and N810 categories only to show when you click "New Posts", for example.

Texrat 2009-12-15 01:31

Re: Is it time to re-structure talk.maemo.org ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 428133)
A way to tell easily if there have been new posts in a thread you have posted in (without having to go back to the thread( would be nice.

The threads are bolded in that case, already. But how else would you indicate something like that without the thread actually being visible? My current solution is subscriptions, which work great.

Texrat 2009-12-15 01:34

Re: Is it time to re-structure talk.maemo.org ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 428172)
So I just wrote an Application, we'll say a game, it runs on my N810 using Diablo.

Would I announce it in N810? No, technically it will run on N800's running Diablo too. Games? I guess, but it's also an application, and only works for Diablo. Applications? Ok, but it's also a Game, and same problem as being Diablo only. Diablo? This is probably the best bet.. but it might go missed by people looking specifically for "games" or "applications".

This is my dilemma with the current layout. With the new layout it would be pretty straight forward... It goes under Diablo. Anything running diablo would then be able to test it and report back.

I still can't see it being 100% straightforward, again due to dimensional limitations. Which is why there are so many factors to consider here. Which is why this was such an ordeal the last time... and split the community.

DaveP1 2009-12-15 02:32

New Posts is Now Useless
 
The N900 forum, with 44,275 posts and 6 pages of threads that were updated today, has made the New Posts navigation useless for anyone not interested in the N900 discussion.

Those of us who still use our Diablo devices on a daily basis need to have an option to search for new posts on a select list of forums.

While I can't compare to the top active posters here in either volume or expertise, I have tried to be helpful where I could. Unfortunately, I no longer have the time to keep up. If things don't change, I fear too many NIT users will abandon active participation in the forums.

H3llb0und 2009-12-15 02:34

Re: New Posts is Now Useless
 
I'm a n00b here, but can't you just subscribe to the threads you are interested in?

but I agree this forum is becoming a mess with all the spam from mostly iTards

GeraldKo 2009-12-15 02:45

Re: Is it time to re-structure talk.maemo.org ?
 
Texrat, when was "last time"? If you mean when it changed from InternetTabletTalk to maemo.org, I think that was a very different set of factors.

fatalsaint's layout (now that I understand it) is OK with me. I don't really care if it's called Current or Legacy or not; what is important is that the pre-N900 and N900 stuff get divided as they have incredibly little to do with one another! Different hardware and different operating system and incompatible software running on them! Yes, it would also be nice to divide off "games" from "applications," etc., but that's not very important. But separating out the Diablo-related and Fremantle-related threads is very important.

For my part, once again, I just want to be able to go through the New Posts without having to discard, one by one, 40 irrelevant threads for every relevant one.

Reggie, have you an opinion?

GeraldKo 2009-12-15 02:49

Re: Is it time to re-structure talk.maemo.org ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 428177)
I still can't see it being 100% straightforward, again due to dimensional limitations. Which is why there are so many factors to consider here. Which is why this was such an ordeal the last time... and split the community.

Sorry, I just don't see it as very complicated. What's complicated or significantly inadequate about just dividing up the Software section by the OS on which it runs, and then implementing a filtering system where you can Search (including New Posts) just the Talk subcategories you want?

Please lay out specific problems, if you have any with that.

GeraldKo 2009-12-15 02:54

Re: New Posts is Now Useless
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveP1 (Post 428239)
The N900 forum, with 44,275 posts and 6 pages of threads that were updated today, has made the New Posts navigation useless for anyone not interested in the N900 discussion.

Those of us who still use our Diablo devices on a daily basis need to have an option to search for new posts on a select list of forums.

While I can't compare to the top active posters here in either volume or expertise, I have tried to be helpful where I could. Unfortunately, I no longer have the time to keep up. If things don't change, I fear too many NIT users will abandon active participation in the forums.

This has become the relevant thread on the problem.

GeraldKo 2009-12-15 02:55

Re: New Posts is Now Useless
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by H3llb0und (Post 428240)
I'm a n00b here, but can't you just subscribe to the threads you are interested in?

but I agree this forum is becoming a mess with all the spam from mostly iTards

No, because you then miss new, relevant threads; and because then you're getting it through email, which is inefficient compared to a useful New Posts listing.

fatalsaint 2009-12-15 04:36

Re: Is it time to re-structure talk.maemo.org ?
 
I will agree with you Texrat that no 1 solution is going to suffice for everybody. It just won't happen.. even if we decide on a structure on and reformat.. chances are likely in 4-6 months someone else will have a "better" idea and start this all over again.

I just don't think there's ever going to be a way around that. I do think that a rotative system like I (you?) described (I don't know if it's what you meant, but that's what I took from your idea's previously) might work for a while.. as it at least has some form of "future" look built into it.. simply moving sub-categories to their respective areas.. but still - someone will dislike it, or want more granular detail, or less detail, or less and more... with a cherry, icing, a chocolate cake.

That's just the Internet, really the human species, though.


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