Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I'm a bit bewildered by people blaming the email software and MicroB for the fact that they're in a 2g connection area (or indeed in my case fairly often a 0g or anything else area). I find the n900 email and browsing better than anything else I tried on this crappy signal, which admittedly isn't saying much. On a wifi connection, the email is as fast as my laptop. I admit I don't try to search email - I can sort by date, sender or subject which is usually accurate enough for my needs.

I'm sorry people are disappointed. N900 has lived up to and exceeded my expectations. Most computers seem to me to be damnably slow (because my brain is overclocked) but n900 is no worse than any other I've used, and a lot better than some.

And Mo is sorry to hear that the only other n900 we know of in the Duchy will be going back. :(

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

But your logic works both ways.. A flawed assumption that everything is fine with the N900?

It does seem that a lot of die hard Maemo people are burying their heads in the sand. Yes the N900 is generally zippy but can slow down at times.. Id like the N900 OS to be a competitor to Android/iphone one of these days (in terms of bugs/polish/interoperable apps).

Sorry Im not trying to be antagonistic, I just want to improve things.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I dunno. Here's my experience with this stuff...

My n810 was an excellent device (still is, still works, just isn't fast enough, doesn't have some capabilities I now enjoy with the n900). It was not by any means polished, but it did well what it it.

My n900 is a step forward, with a shuffle to the left (or right if you prefer a conservative slant...) - it's much faster than the n900 was, and it does exactly what it says on the tin. It also bears in mind the official Nokia stance of 'one step closer to the final product.'

This is not an excuse. It's more in the way of a fact. As an early adopter, these things must be taken into account. This is not a criticism of anyone who dislikes the device. It is, also, a fact.

Yes, it's incredibly frustrating to have your expectations cruelly dashed, but consider if your expectations coming in were unrealistic. My own were a faster n810 with tv out. That's what I got, and more. SOmetimes I try to make it do things I think it should and get knocked back. The result is to wait and see or DIY. My experience with this community has been that the former is usually a good thing given my coding skills, but the latter is still doable. And fun, after all these years.

I haven't found a problem I can't live with.

It might be that the original ads were misleading, but I don't think so (except for the one with the photo at the concert - bit naff that). The device actually does perform according to those adverts. In my experience.

Maybe it's because my first computer was a ZX81 and this is so much better :)

Maybe it's because I manage my expectations.

The <pick other supplier here>Phone may meet others' expectations better because they're aimed squarely at those expectations, whereas I *think* the n900 is aimed squarely at the 'what can we achieve on the road to a real consumer device' target.

It is a pretty neat little box though.

wibble

PS I'm not a fanperson, I'm far too old and grey for that. Don't go there, okay?

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I dunno, maybe the Duke himself has one. Someone should ask him...

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

There is no burying my head in the sand. I can guarantee you I use my Nokia the way it was meant to be used. Business IT-Professional, and I have zero problems with it. The things people complain about I consider "fluffware" problems. I personally don't give a **** if the media player doesn't hold a playlist (which apparantly it does, but I've never investigated it). I didn't buy it to listen to music. I can buy a cheap ipod for that.

I bought it so I can quite literally keep tabs on over 800 stores from anywhere, access both *nix and Windows machines via either ssh, telnet, VNC and remote desktop while being anywhere. That is where the n900 shines, and is obviously the n900's target audience.

Hell, when the device comes with the shell icon literally in your face on the app menu, it's obvious who the target audience is. I show others the shell and they're like, "Um.. cool."

Obviously not intended for them as they're not IT professionals and have no clue what Linux or even a shell is. I'm glad for the people that come here and learn and have the "tough enough" attitude to tweak, hack and mold their n900 to do what they want. That's the point of it. But to cry because some app scrolls a little too slow for you means you're in the wrong field. And I will never be apologetic for that. Again, if you don't even know how to check the n900's uptime, you probably shouldn't own it. It wasn't meant for you. (You being anyone reading this)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Sorry, no it doesn't work both ways. Things are fine by default. If the majority doesn't complain, it doesn't indicate "heads buried in sand"-- it indicates a lower threshold for satisfaction.

And while we're at it, your comment is one of those unnecessarily provocative statements that elicits backlash. It is antagonistic by nature.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Sometimes when i read these i feel like my 5 weeks old N900 is somehow different ;)
Music player is fast. I got Ipod touch 2G, Zune HD and 5800 here to compare. Only thing that's mentioned here is that it takes 1-3h to regonize all the songs i put there first time i transfered videos, music and what not to N900. This should be fixed and fast no doubt.

My videos play great on the N900. Example random 700mb Top Gear episode from Finalgear.com played like a dream and i actually got 2 Top Gear season on the device with 2 movies that play just as smooth with no need to do anything to the videos. Thought i got 40mb trailer that did take 4 secs to start and then stutters like crazy.

Do your ipod touch really play any random file you give it? Mine didn't and i started from the presumption that i would need to do something to the video before it would even play.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

But surely you admit your opinion is pretty small minded - you arent exactly considering the rest of the more mainstream N900 owners.. I wouldnt say your opinion is all that relevant then! If there is a media player on a device, at least make it work well, same goes for maps etc etc. There are other users with differing needs out there.

Well from the blogs/threads on here I see quite a few issues, I hope these are fixed. :)

My comment is in response to a lot of the comments that have been directed at any criticism/raising of issues - basically casting aside any complaint about the N900.

But yeah maybe it was a little provocative so sorry about that, its definitely not my intention to cause problems.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I don't know why you are classifying this device as an IT pro's only, when Nokia didn't do that.
This is a multimedia device as well, and I do like it's shell, but it's definitely not my primary use.

Just surf to maemo.nokia.com to get a sense of it - it's different by any means from the usual plain white HTML page you'll get for the common linux guru web page.

As an IT pro you probably have heard the joke about the guy that called support with his computer's outlet disconnected, and the guy told him to return the PC to the store...
This might be the attitude of IT, or perhaps only you, but problems like apps that scrolls too slow or any other UI issue is a big concern for the non-CLI common guy, and you'll be surprised how many non-CLI users buy this phone.
To un-legitimate their experience feedbacks is non legitimate by itself...

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Again, "mainstream" n900 owners are a majority that probably should NOT own it. Maemo is a BRAND NEW OS. It's GOING to have problems.

Nokia is genius. The N900 is landing in the hands of the people they want it to. The people who can TRULY see the implications and power of the device. NOT the people who are going to b!tch because it scrolls a little quirky sometimes.

Look through these forums. It's loaded with very intelligent people that are doing AMAZING things with the n900, things other phones can't even hold a candle to. Now you tell me, are they crying because some of the visuals are not as lightning fast as another phones? Nope. That's because that crap comes later. It's fluff. It's stuff intended to appeal to the masses to make them happy. The same person that would be attracted to a shiny piece of gold so they can hold it in their hands and stare at it. Meanwhile those of us who truly "get it" toss the gold and grow an orchard so we can feed ourselves. Stuff that matters.

And speaking on behalf of "mainstream," I live in the United States and I have not seen ONE commercial, ad, radio sound byte, or anything advertising the N900. They are NOT trying to make it an iPhone killer. They are letting it "seep" into the Geek world and watching it bloom from an open, hacker friendly device, into what will probably be a true "killer-app phone" on Maemo 6 and devices to come.