Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

Nokia didn't care about the PR effect of taking nearly $100,000,000 of public funds for creating long term jobs - just to shortly after close down their factory and move to a low-wage country.

So why would they care about PR effects of something so much more trivial?

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

It's not just a Maemo issue - it affects anyone who has had the misfortune to use a Nokia phone since MyNokia was launched.

I've not used Symbian or Maemo devices for months, but I still get unwelcome SMS, sometimes daily, to all the mobile numbers I used on those devices. They go to personal and work phones, and are intrusive and extremely annoying.

And, this is the real bugbear, not one of those messages has given any information on how to stop or unsubscribe the so-called "service".

I was under the impression that all direct marketing had to include this information?

One thing's for sure, this is turning out to be a real PR disaster for Nokia. The sheer arrogance of the "official" reply quoted in this thread just makes things worse. Are they that stupid that they cannot see their insistence on continuing this practice just makes anyone who has already abandoned their products more resolute than ever never to touch Nokia again? And to actively spread the word to discourage others from making the same mistake?

Looks to me like it's already happening and gone Global:

http://www.mobileinc.co.uk/2010/06/t...s-spam-fiasco/

http://davehall.com.au/blog/dave/201...nokia-sms-spam

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

People, this is disappointing but I am not terribly surprised. Nokia has said that MeeGo OS will be open, but not their UX, apps and Ovi services, which will be "integrated into the user experience." Read this - and think how Nokia means to succeed in the business with the strategy.

http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Tec...hite_paper.pdf

They will claim to be more open than most and probably be right. I have expressed my share of disappointment at the lack of openness, but it's time to address the situation as it exists. Look at the handset UX after it is released and decide if the community should attempt to provide an open UI to go on top of MeeGo?

This idea of dissuading the corporate machine will not work.

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

...which, again, is not an excuse but part of the problem. - Nokia employees should be allowed an encouraged to make such statements. They needn't say "Ah, yes, I know, everything we do here is wrong and bad, but I can't change it." - no. But what would be wrong with "We at Maemo/MeeGo devices understand your concerns and we're discussing the issue internally. However, please understand that it's not just our decision. There's quite a few others here at Nokia who have a say in this matter, so we can't promise anything. We're not giving up though and will keep you informed."

What ragnar contributed here was basically the "... it's not just our decision" part (or maybe I'm interpreting too much... whatever).
What's missing - and what would be crucial to know - is the "we understand your concerns and we're discusing the issue internally". At the moment, we just don't know if the people we thought we knew even share our concerns.... or if they just stare at this discussion and have no idea why anyone is upset at all.

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

My N900 is a non-US model (from the Developer Device Program) and is running the global firmware. Its box does display the "This is an Ovi device." text and does not include the US in the list of approved countries for the FM radio. Still, nothing about My Nokia appeared during the OTA upgrade and no text message was sent.

I can't see Nokia using the GPS to make that choice, so it seems my AT&T SIM was the deciding factor, much as it is for Nokia Messaging.

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

IANAL, but I'm fairly confident that anyone claiming that some tiny, low-contrast print hidden at the end of the copyright notice on the back of the retail packaging constitutes a legally binding contract will be laughed out of court in most sane jurisdictions. Not to mention that MyNokia is not Ovi, and not mentioned anywhere in that almost illegible print.

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

Yes, and I also pointed out that as they didn't show the T's and C's when I first turned on the phone, and could reasonably have returned it for a refund, it was unlikely to be valid now. I asked if I could return my phone for a refund if I didn't like the PR1.2 conditions -- I got no reply.

I also mentioned that it seemed likely to me that a court might require a rather more active opt-in before agreeing that I had authorised Nokia to physically damage my device so I cannot return it to the previous software version (PR1.1) and not accept the new conditions.

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

Interestingly my September prototype running the Global firmware DID force me to subscribe after installing PR1.2 (while I was located on US soil, using an AT&T SIM), I have received no text messages from the service so far, however.

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

Depends on the court jurisdiction. In the US, some of the most idiotic, counter-consumer shrink-wrap (and similar) terms have been upheld...

Re: [Council] Nokia response to MyNokia subscription in PR1.2
 

However legal and 'in the right' Nokia is on this issue, it still doesn't give a representation of goodwill on their part.

Moreover, if this is such a value added service, why not pimp it with a big shiny sticker in front and a clear graphical notice to the user?

Inconsistent messages..