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Hurrian 2012-07-30 08:41
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1244162)
I think he was referring to Dalvik running under environments other than Dalvik/Linux.

iDroid runs around the problem by running Android on (very old) iDevices.

Vromoth 2012-07-30 20:26
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariadeno (Post 1244788)
Don't wait. This is vapourware and will never get released be released as a cloud-based application.

EDIT: Notice the ip address in the demonstration video of ACL on Tizen. Cloud-based CONFIRMED. Pretty useless.
I don't see how this confirms anything Ariadeno, the IP address shown is in the OS. ACL us only launched when an app is started.

HtheB 2012-07-30 20:36
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
I've mailed those guys 2-3 times already, got no reply from them back :(

Edit:
I've done some little research,

We need to contact:
Leila Dillon
ldillon [at] openmobileww [dot] com
http://twitter.com/ldillonom


Edit 2: Ugh, seems like that she doesn't use Twitter since February anymore...

don.edri 2012-07-30 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1245102)


Edit 2: Ugh, seems like that she doesn't use Twitter since February anymore...
you can try her facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/leila.dillon.3

photo looks the same as on twitter and profile info says she works at OpenMobile, so I guess that's the one

HtheB 2012-07-30 20:59
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don.edri (Post 1245116)
you can try her facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/leila.dillon.3

photo looks the same as on twitter and profile info says she works at OpenMobile, so I guess that's the one
That's her! who has got facebook!? Please write to her and ask about ACL... :(

Ariadeno 2012-07-30 21:50
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vromoth (Post 1245095)
I don't see how this confirms anything Ariadeno, the IP address shown is in the OS. ACL us only launched when an app is started.
You still don't realise that something isn't right, right?

Look I'll explain.

Quote:
ACL for MeeGo
ACL for Tizen
ACL for Linux
ACL for Windows
ACL for WebOS
ACL for QNX
ACL for Bada
ACL for Symbian
Tizen won't allow native applications whereas Symbian uses Qt. If you were to rewrite the VM for MeeGo, which is possible but extremely hard, you would have at least 1 system to work on. To customise your rewritten VM for MeeGo to run under Tizen, which won't allow native applications, is impossible. And if you were claiming that you are able to run Dalvik VM on Symbian, I would laugh myself to death.

This ACL for everything nonsense proves itself to be a cloud client. This is no rewritten VM. This is no additional layer on the platform. This is the cloud, this is Sparta!

Quote:
ACL delivers native performance
All Android apps perform as native on the operating system with zero latencies.*ACL does not drain your device resources.* Device power and memory will be unchanged.
Note the emphasis. You would run an entire VM and the processing speed and memory would be unaffected..

No F@!@*n wayy!!

You guys are all going to be disappointed. Don't set your expectations so high.

mikecomputing 2012-07-30 22:03
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
stop dream its just vapoware

Vromoth 2012-07-30 22:52
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariadeno (Post 1245136)
You still don't realise that something isn't right, right?

Look I'll explain.



Tizen won't allow native applications whereas Symbian uses Qt. If you were to rewrite the VM for MeeGo, which is possible but extremely hard, you would have at least 1 system to work on. To customise your rewritten VM for MeeGo to run under Tizen, which won't allow native applications, is impossible. And if you were claiming that you are able to run Dalvik VM on Symbian, I would laugh myself to death.

This ACL for everything nonsense proves itself to be a cloud client. This is no rewritten VM. This is no additional layer on the platform. This is the cloud, this is Sparta!



Note the emphasis. You would run an entire VM and the processing speed and memory would be unaffected..

No F@!@*n wayy!!

You guys are all going to be disappointed. Don't set your expectations so high.
Well firstly Tizen can have native apps. I'm not sure how limited they are however. I do agree with you on it not working on Symbian though. Possible, maybe but ****ing hard.

And for your last comment in the resources it uses, take a look at wine. Completely different program I know, but it did it. Almost no lag. Them saying that its what there trying to achieve but the video proves otherwise. Also Android is only a Vm on top of Linux anyway, that's why it can be ported and run in full speed.

@mikecomputing
Let people and there dreams alone, no one likes a dream catcher that steals all your good dreams.

Ariadeno 2012-07-31 00:07
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Well firstly Tizen can have native apps.
Nope.. You're wrong. The EFL libraries and Qt have been ripped out. So it's all about HTML5.

Quote:
I do agree with you on it not working on Symbian though. Possible, maybe but ****ing hard.
No, impossible natively. Possible in the cloud.

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And for your last comment in the resources it uses, take a look at wine. Completely different program I know, but it did it. Almost no lag.
Not only a completely different program. But completely different architecture. You're comparing x86 with ARM. And wine is just the windows APIs and Libs and it IS rewritten unlike the ACL crap. Besides, most of the APIs and libs of wine are written in C (fast, solid, actual acces to hardware) unlike the Dalvik VM which the interpreter of might be written in C but most libs and the apis and other functions are Java (slow, heavy). Wine is fast because its running on a fast system (duuhhh) You expect to run a runtime environment on a completely different, much more limited platform (performance wise) without problems. It's not that simple.

Quote:
Also Android is only a Vm on top of Linux anyway, that's why it can be ported and run in full speed.
Wrong, Android is the RE (Dalvik VM + Runtime Libraries) along with the Application libs and app framework on top of the Linux-KERNEL, not Linux.

And tell me for ****s sake, why am I still not able to run android apps on my X86 Slackware Linux machine without the help of emulating on
a Virtual Machine. Porting was that easy, right??
There is no one on x86 except bluestacks for mac and windows.

Mann.... Quit dreaming. Too good to be true.

gleydsonpr 2012-07-31 00:56
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1222652)
They demoed hardware accelerated flash 11 on the N900 first, before any edroid device.

They demoed alien dalvik on the N900 first.

They demoed sygic aurora on the N900 first.


I am sure ACL will be along any minute now.
They demoed hardware accelerated flash 11 on the N900 first, before any edroid device

Yes, they did and still our N900s donīt have even Flash 10 and will never hever have it!!! :mad:


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