Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I'm with you there; as long as it has at least 1024xnnn video out, the 800x480 is probably quite sufficient.

• Add d-pad next to display
• Mini-DVI
• Full-SDHC, easily accessible (The N800 does indeed have this; it's not the size of the N810)
• Extra miniSD slot vs. N810 (Keeping internal 2GB, and adding internal mSD)
• And I assume you don't want to seriously injure battery life, so the new CPU will probably require a somewhat bigger battery.

All without making it bigger. And making it $80 cheaper, while adding various (non-size critical, but cost-adding) features like better GPS, accelerometer, and better CPU (whether OMAP3430, or Menlow + maybe nVidia GPU).

The costs are counterbalanced, of course, by the continual cheapening of technology, but I think you're adding more than that can take care of in just a year.

I just don't see it happening, but I'd be quite glad if it did. :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

nVidia does not provide low power, low profile graphics solutions. If we are talking Intel, it's likely to have an underpowered Intel graphics chip. The PowerVR SGX within the OMAP3430 is one of (if not) the best when it comes to mobile graphics.

I'm highly against any x86 processor due to the amount of heat generated and power consumption by an x86 core. Intel's ULV line (including the Menlow) shows that an x86 CAN get relatively low compared to other x86 cores, but only by butchering said core's performance and speed.

Accelerometers are tiny and very possible. Personally, I'd go for full sized SD cards again rather than Mini/Micros because they're cheaper and higher capacity. GPS could use an improvement
Old libraries should work as long as there were not filesystem structure changes or did not depend on a certain kernel. However, they may conflict with other libraries and newer apps that require a newer library.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/index.de.html
http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/

ARM (arm)
First officially released with Debian 2.2. This port runs on a variety of embedded hardware, including the NSLU2.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

For a port that is binary-compatible with the N8x0, using standard "unreal linux" ITOS:
http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort

Or, if we simply want to emphasize that some Debian architectures aren't binary-compatible, why not mention these, too...
http://www.debian.org/ports/i386/
http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/
http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/
http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/
http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/
http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/
http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/
http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/
http://www.debian.org/ports/s390/
http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

my biggest problem with the n810 is the internal memory

MiniSD and MicroSD blow
its not like we're short on space, normal SD's WOULD fit inside it

but u idiots at nokia chose not to put slots in
YOU'VE DONE IT BEFORE!

way to take a step back

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Honestly, I'd rather have MicroSD than full size SD. And while I would agree that MiniSD is a waste, I don't see any justification for calling the nokia designers and engineers "idiots". All that's going to get you is dismissed as a child.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

or to be rebranded as OppositeofIntelligence..

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

HAHAHAHA nice

i am a child
and yes i say dumb things when im mad

but that doesnt excuse them for putting a fullsize sdhc over a micro sd
fullsize sd's are cheaper and hold more, and they're not much bigger (and its not liike theres a shortage of space)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Dual-MicroSD slots would work for me in lieu of dual-fullsize.

Something makes me think Nokia's hardware engineers know what they're doing just a bit better than you. :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Yup. 2 MicroSD slots would be quite nice. Wonder how much room they take up compared to the N810's one miniSD slot.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Well, MicroSD is about 50% the size of a MiniSD card. Obviously there's the issue of latches, contacts, slots, etc. I think if they simply added an internal slot similar to the N800's setup it would work out fairly well.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I was travelling with my n800 in India and Andamans.. Sometimes staying on the beach with no power outlet its immpossible to check the battery level withouth booting the os. so my wish is :

to have hardware battery checker just under the back cover.
to have a hard case protecting the screen , just like palm one has - a rubber one with metal protector fliipping off.


thanx.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

but why would they downgrade to Micro's? Whats the advantage here? Theres no shortage of space.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

But there is a shortage of space, that's why the N810 only had a single MiniSD slot rather two two fullsize ones. Assuming the next tablet has similar size restrictions (likely), and given the choice between a single MiniSD slot—a format that doesn't really seem to have a niche, as MicroSD cards generally higher capacity and cheaper (economies of scale from the cellular market)—and dual MicroSD slots, I'll take the dual slots.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

how much smaller is the n810 compared to the n800 though? they could fit in that

is it cuz of the keyboard? the sdhc slots on the 800 arent that thick though
and if there really is a shortage of space, ditch the minisd. nobody uses minisd.
micro is more popular, more common, cheaper, more capacity, and its much smaller than the mini

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

The N810 is as thick as the N800 is at it's thinnest point so not only does it include a keyboard but it is thinner. Overall the N810 is smaller than the N800. I think the space inside the N810 was set aside for the WiMax version.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Not that i want to kill the speculation, but some aspects of product creation are being completely ignored, for example the desire to have an always available container for the maps, then general tendency in latest Nokia products (N81 8GB, N95 8GB ...), expected state of the card market, you name it.
The famous 5 steps speech was underlying something deeper than just the technical evolution: it was also saying that the potential customer base is expected to grow. This implies both that eventually the features must be such that a large part of the target market segment feels compelled to buy one and that also the business model must be self sustaining and profitable according to Nokia expectations.

Notice that I haven't mentioned any technical reason yet, nor I will in this case ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

That's not _quite_ true. There are 2 card slots, you just can't manipulate the internal card (the one that contains the GPS data). But I don't know if the internal card is Full size, Mini, or Micro (or maybe just more nvram).

Personally, I'd rather have 2 user-accessible slots than a dedicated GPS data slot ... but, then, I don't use the GPS at all.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Good point. :<

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Oooh, nice thread :)

N900 Hardware
- OMAP3
- haptic touchscreen
- 1 micro SD
- 8GB internal Flash
- same size screen as the N800/N810, less plastic around the screen than the N810
- context changeable exterior directional pad (music, web, docs, etc.)
- flush touchscreen; higher dpi but same resolution as current

N900 Software:
- much better web browser (microformats support and use; FF extensions support, and everything else others have stated about this browser; mini-map view for those sites that are extra large); offline mode
- noBounds
- auto (fix?) ability to swap from BT to WiFi/WiMax connections as situations allow
- all major web-runtimes (AIR, Flash, Silverlight, etc.)
- PIM support via SyncML with onboard database (MySQL lite kinda thing) where all data interacting with the IT can be mapped in such a table (shared, exported, etc.)

Perosnally speaking, I'm very content with things like battery life, wifi performance, etc. But given the time of development since my N800 and this one, I'd expect that things would improve in that 20-30% range just because of manufacturing techniques and their improvement.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Yes, that's what I feared. Builtin MMC chip (of relatively small capacity and impossible to remove) and thus only one additional SD/MMC slot. Or can OMAP 3430 support more than two SD/MMC interfaces? I guess not.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I am guessing that the n810 W will have atleast 8gb of internal memory:confused:

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Hehe, you have just reinvented the wheel, in this case the ipod wheel.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Oh, I love the roundpad. It seems to have a clearer direction, compared to the ipod's wheel which seems to only be able to wander around aimlessly ;)

PS: I don't think the ipod wheels can detect the position of your finger on the wheel? Most directional inputs have to be clicked to hit the 4 microswitches underneath the wheel. Also, all the software navigation in regards to the touchwheel invovles directional rotation, not an absolute position on the wheel..

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I'm not sure, but I think they can sense position; the click is used so there's no confusion whether a short swipe at one of the 4 positions was a tap or a slight volume adjustment.
But to sense actual position, calibration might be necessary, which I don't think iPods have...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

MOST IMPORTANT: THE SPEAKERS ! I LOVE THEM !

1. Scrolling wheel: a must ! Try Sony !
2. Volume wheel: a must!
3. Performance: Faster processor, faster browser, better camera.
4. Improved video possiblilities, sizeability, codecs etc.
5. Screen + 1 size and better daylight readability. The device sizes are excellent !.
6. Video out: Every freaking digital photo camera has video-out !
7. GPS yes, not necessarily for navigation purposes, maybe location, defintely photos', logging etc.
8. Extended power facilities (external batteries or easy changeable batteries
9. Integrated Skype, Pidgin (as messenger etc.)
10 Network Printing !
11 Simple word, excel and powerpoint software
12 Sync'd to PC & mobile phone: PIM: calendar. to-do list, contacts,
13 Wifi in combination with bluetooth and G3 on my mobile phone works fine for me. Maybe WIMax is better, but I am not sure if that also applies to dense populated aereas.

Abel.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

It's movinand.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine..._MoviNAND.html

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

a screen from these guys:
http://www.n-trig.com/

(sorry if its been said before)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I'd like the wimax module to be a pluggable thing so I could swap it for 3G+GSM.
Video out would be quite nice, as it means the tablet would be a useful media player to connect to a TV.
Multi-touch screen.
usb host with a bit more power output able to drive at least a usb card reader.
802.11n
accelerometers for both input/control and navigational dead-reckoning

low priority:
IRDA so's I could use it as a univerdal remote control.
A better camera would be nice.

impossible, but...
dvb-h receiver

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

It would just be nice to see a more powerful ARM processor, opengl, and a DSP that works at full rez

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

realistically?

hardware wise:
1. a screen that is actually usable in the daytime (N810 is close but not really)
2. a better cam (my old Nokia 6230b cell has a better cam)
3. better cpu, chipsets, blah blah blah

OS wise: (yes I know the new OS addresses most of these issues)
1. real OS updates that don't require flashing
2. Fix the stupid problems with the repositories
3. able to change the friggin icons/function on the lefthand side
4. actual icons on the desktop, as in, no more need for simple launcher, Idea (which i miss on 2008!!), etc

my fanciful wishlist:
1. a little FM antenna that plugs in instead of having to drag out the earplugs.
2. a picture frame style kickstand so that it won't block the bottom edge yet allow easier access to ports and maybe allow for some sort of dock to satisfy everyone's needs.
3. space out the top buttons a bit to give you a better tactile feel.
4. a universal way to print in all applicable apps to any networked/shared printer. Why this hasn't been implemented in the very first incarnation of an ITT is beyond me.

what I DO NOT WANT:
1. tv connector? seriously? why the heck would you want that? What a waste of space and resources. Although adding to a 3rd party dock could solve this need.
2. a stupid keyboard. Owned the N810 for a month, found it underwhelming. Having to open the keyboard to use the Dpad was just a stupid design.
3. reduction on the number of SD slots or SD size.
4. no space eating wheels, circular pads, double pads, etc the more you add the crappier and crappier it will become and more crap to break.
5. The same team to design the N900 that designed the Nokia 770 or the N800. As functional as the Nokia 770 was (and how much better it could have been), the ITT unit itself was so damn ugly. The N800 wasn't so much ugly as it was just bland and uninspired. Please Nokia, get some real industrial designers and not the team that designs those horrid cheap cells you guys make. More japanese/scandanavian ergonomics and sleek design and less tacky euro feel.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Why not? It's not actually a waste of space and resources, as the OMAPs already have TV-out hookups (they just need to be, well, hooked up) and you could add another wire to the 3.5mm jack to get composite out.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

1024x600 and RAM and double processor speed.


Maybe I should be more clear, AT LEAST 512MB RAM

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I only have a few things that I'd like to see in an iteration as close to release as a n900 series tablet, and I'll admit at the onset here that some of them can (and should) be addressed by OS/UI changes.

I'd like
-A screen size increase without, that is WITHOUT, a device size increase. If I look at the numbers for the n810, we could have a 5.78inch (146.9mm) screen if the whole front face was covered by the screen. Also, the surface of the screen to flush (heightwise) with the edges of the tablet, because maybe it's just my fingers, but I feel like sometimes using scroll bars and anything else at the edge of the screen gets to be a pain in the *** just because the edge of the tablet is keeping me from actually making good contact with screen.

-Haptic feedback from the screen to improve "button" press feedback.

-If the haptics feedback makes in it, some vibration alarms would be nice.

-802.11n support (with MIMO)

-Dual SD (full size please) card slots, with both or either supporting SDIO

-Maintaining the with and without QWERTY keyboard model lines (i.e. a 900 and a 910). And for the 910, more space between the top row of buttons and the bottom edge of the front face of the tablet


Ok, I think I've been pretty reasonable so far. The following is a little more pie in the skyish, but not completely unattainable.

Have the keyboard on the 910, rather than composed of individual buttons, be composed of an eINK (eink.com) touchscreen (with haptics) and therefore be reconfigurable, by user choice, or automatically depending on the app in the foreground.

OLED main screen (for more extensive color support, better battery life, thinness)

The noBounds project implemented.

Ok, I'll stop .....for now...and I apologize if I'm repeating things that people have already requested, I didn't go through all of the 35 preceding pages closely.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Bezelless is asking for broken screens, so I differ (strongly) with you there. And I like my d-pad (on the N800), and would like ABCD buttons on the other side; so increasing the physical screen larger would be troublesome for me.

Seems to me that this largely ruins the principle benefit of the N810's keyboard over OSK, unless the haptics here are inexplicably better than in the OSK.

Still, I guess some two-panel eink and LCD/OLED solution (I'm thinking flippable clamshell) does offer more display space total, more interaction space total, and the best of both worlds. Think e-book reader that shuts off the display and shows the book on the "keypad" side of the device. It's just gonna be awful expensive, and hard to get right.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

So I was reading through some more of the older posts in this thread, and I see that most of the stuff I mentioned was talked about in one form or another (sorry). So, ..this is more of a question to all of you out there who are more in the know than me about this stuff. I was a couple of posts going back and forth about whether or not to include a SIM slot and and a HSDPA/3.5G chipset. The question I have: how is including WiMax better than including a 3.5G chipset? And when I say better I mean from the standpoint of not being tied to a single provider and all of the regulatory (FCC) hoops that have to be jumped through to include it. If I understand how it currently stands (please correct me if I'm wrong about this) Sprint is the only carrier/provider interested in developing WiMax, with both AT&T and Verizon going LTE (though at different frequencies) to fulfill their 4G network ambitions. With regards to battery life...WiFi/WiMax uses less than 3.5G? (Honestly asking!) So if I were to turn the GSM radio in my N96 (hypothetically speaking of course, since neither I nor anyone else has one) off and proceed to browse/VOIP/whatever just over WiFi, I'd get longer battery life than if I did the converse (WiFi off, GSM on)? And to forestall flamethrowage, I'm not advocating either or, just seeking enlightenment!

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Hmmm... Am I misunderstanding what you mean by bezelless? There seem to any number of devices with their touch screens flush with the edge of the device. Iphone? Ipod Touch? The Nokia Tube? I'll freely admit to not owning any of them, but I haven't heard reports of rampant screen breakage either.

And yes, as you mentioned, the primary advantage of an eInk based keyboard relative to the onscreen keyboard, would lie in increased display/interaction space and it's capacity to be reconfigured on the fly depending on application. I guess the only advantage it would hold over actually hardware keys would be the reconfigurability and the possibility of using it as a display (ebook) in addition to using it as a input. I mean conceivably you could get the same by including a second display, either LCD or OLED or what ever, but I figured eInk was cheaper, better energy efficiency since it's bistable (read: battery life).

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

The HP49G+. Grrrrrr.... Proud owner of one. Now with a broken display.

While rampant is too strong a word, I think there's more of those devices broken than there ought to be; scratches too, from sliding on flat surfaces, though those are typically prevented by as much as a ridge along one side of the screen. I think they've eased the bezel angle a good bit on the N810, haven't gotten my hands on one yet, but it looks good. I'll admit the N800's is a bit steep, but the solution (I feel) lies with shallower angles, not reduced (or removed) depth. Oh, and half (2 out of 4) the iPhones whose owners I know wear protective silicone or hard cases, which give you an artificial bezel anyway.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Maybe not n900, but n910 definitely:
holographic projection & capture
teleportation network between the devices
mind reading for easier controls

for the n900, I'd settle only for:
future prediction
antigravitational pad to make it weightless

:D considering when the n910 will be out (looking at the time elapsed beteen device), this might actually happen :D
note: i'm not complaining; every device (except n810) had great improvements

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

well, if we're going to get carried away... I think the stylus should be telescopic and have a second use as a light-sabre, and the pop-out webcam should have the memory-wipe feature from M-I-B.