Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

1) Because developers can write Qt 4.6 apps now and run on Maemo 5.
2) Maemo 6 can run Gtk+ apps. in the same way Ubuntu can run KDE apps and Kubuntu can run Gnome apps.

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

Even less reason to upgrade then, as I have Qt4.6 apps on my N900.

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

Can't remember which one but saw it on google search by accident.
I think this is one of them:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/n...a-new-level-i/

FYI, I love my N900. I dropped it once and it gave me a heartattack. Luckily it dropped on my foot. So no damage was found. I want to see N900 grow with maemo6 and Hopefully getting all the CANDIES LOVE!

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

There is a resistive multi-touch screen controller chip out now.
http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/01...controller.htm

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

Anyone actually seen any sensible snapdragon benchmarks? GHz is useless...

For example, the N900 cpu even if it ran at 400MHz like in N810, would still be about twice as fast as the N810 CPU...

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

I think 800Mhz would be the best CPU of mobile device, I remembered that iPhone overclocked it to 800Mhz and then it drain battery like a thirsty person sucking on a juice bottle. But now it currently underclock to 600Mhz to resolve the problem with battery.

As for the multi-touch chip ST32, it's very nice I would like and prefer resistive mult-touch over the Capacitive though.

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

This is going to affect my purchase, n900 will only be launched in South Africa in q2, will keep checking this thread for any developments before i buy something that will be cease to be supported when its finally launched here.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

It is quite obvious that support for Maemo5 will diminish greatly (aside from individual developers from the community) once Maemo6 is released.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

.... but if both run Maemo 6?
Then we have a big community .....

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

if nokia is smart they will bring out maemo 6 first for the N900 so that we will beta test the new os for them, then after the first big upgrade they will launch a new phone with it. So that that phones has a tested (except multi touch) os...

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I missed that. Can anyone link to a full quote of this speech?

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

ouchhh.. how is your foot?? ;)

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

Nokia is always using TI stuff i think (as far as i know of)
current TI stuff are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP

I dont think they will go to OMAP4 at this time, that would be really cool, because i think dual core would really let a phone fly, now sometimes the cpu is just used completely and switching or the desktop is very laggy, this would be gone in dual core mode.

But they could get a faster OMAP3 now they are using a OMAP3430 (whats the difference between OMAP3420? same for 3630 and 3620). So they could go to the 3440 (65nm) or 3630 or even the 1Ghz 3640 (both 45nm so battery wise better choice)

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

I've never experienced this laggy desktop switching you speak of..

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

just run the application manager update, or install a program and when it is installing and after that updating the list. the app manager takes a lot of cpu. If i dont want to wait for that (which happens a lot thats why i want multi taksing) and i press the dashboard button. Then i do really notice that it is really busy with something.

Same for if you really 'hurt' the browser by loading large pages.

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

If im right the current n900 CPU can go up to 1 Ghz right? atleast thats what it says on the manufacturer website.

But to go back to the point. Some people keep protecting nokia, saying they need to keep making new devices every day. but look at the iphone! it sure had a couple of upgrades but this proves you dont need to make 1000 of phones to make money! You need 1 phone (like the n900) and give it all the support you possible can to make it perfect! then fill the freaking ovi store with more then 10 apps!! (omg nokia hurry a little and attract great developers!) You can make allot of money if you have a good filled store (apple proven it).

I had the n95 and n96 before this phone. Both of these phone had terrible crap apps in the ovi store. Some of them were prised beyond the 30 dollars. People even who have not bought the n900 are getting pissed off because of this! The only thing nokia wants is making 1000 phones a year. getting money out of the pockets of their customers... more and more people are fed up with this and are leaving to other phones especially the iphone, who does the exact opposite.

I really cant think of why nokia isn't getting all these complaints about us customers. its really like they dont give a $hit.

I really dont care of not getting maemo 6 on the n900. But forgodsake! atleast fill the ovi store and get the freaking maps app to finnaly do turn by turn voice navigation! Why the hell is it still not there??

And why is there still no update of the ovi suite for the n900? Whats wrong with you people!!! i Payed 599 euro's for this device. i needed to even wait 1 months before the ovi store was reachable.

This is not the way you should support your customers.

I you guys may have noticed im very fed up with this! If there wasn't a good community like this there wouldn't have been anything that we could have done with our n900. Only scrolling the internet without a descent java support with stuttering video's. watching custom movies wont work because the lack of a good nokia video encoder. music is a pain in the *** because the widget doesnt work right. The phone function is a pain. mms is not supported. and fmms is crap and a standalone app. Maps is not finished etc. etc. support or not this needed to be fixed on release! Nokia is dumping phones on the market without caring how they work. look at the problems of the n97 and n96 (still a pain).

If in 6 months this phone isnt supported anymore and the maps app stil not finished and ovi store still emty. then this is absolutely my last nokia!

I allready said that after the n96. but had great hopes with this n900. but after reading all this im fed up with nokia.

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

The OMAP3420 has a smaller framebuffer.

OMAP3440 and OMAP3640 are off the table, OMAP3630 is likely.

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

Yeah, this is the planned obsolescence that companies force on you these days that drives me nuts. For once I'd like them to just sell me one device, and then encourage me to add options or something to it that generates a micro-revenue stream enough to allow them to NOT forcefully make me upgrade just because my other device is now obsolete. Just provide me with cool stuff to keep my current device going as long as I want, and when I'm ready, have something worth upgrading too. One or two steps worth of improvement does not justify upgrading for me. One or two stories worth of updates or improvements, now that's another story entirely.

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

actually no lol.. they wanted the n97 to be the flag ship.. but the n900 stole the ship and the flag haha..

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 

Here's a pretty complete list of all OMAP microprocessors, but it's in Swedish (can you read Swedish numbers? ;)):
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_I...AP#Processorer

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

nokia would be to stupid not to introduce maemo 6 on N900, specially that all windows mobile , androids and iphones get the updates. if they dont introduce it seriously im not gonna buy any nokia phones anymore, im loyal to nokia. but when i see other companies supporting their product, while nokia keep rushing their products on the market like that , then i have to stop buyin nokia phones, its like when i bought the n96 i was happy with it for a week then they announced n97 WTF, then when n97 was launched good thing i didnt buy it , cuz who bought n97 got screwed, i was happy that i waited for the n900 before realisin this sh*t now.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

i think they will m6 will be on n950 keyboardless, thus wont or shudn affect sales too much since keyboard ppl will go for the N900

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Yes there are indicators of a capacitive screen, but can you provide a quote for the other?

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

what I dont understand is that there are many owners (including myself) who are disppointed with Nokia, a fraid that N900 will be left aside in favor of a new Maemo 6 device

maybe it is bad management, but I really hope that they are keepng silent to release good news when they got new updates ready... otherwise Nokia will loose a lot of fans/early adopter. This portion of customer may be relative small, but are very important to influence regular users, developing apps and mods, beta testing for free, etc...

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

I actually agree with both the above posts.

Yes Nokia did release to N900 to get developers in on the Maemo action, but that is no excuse for the Nokia/Ovi written software to plain suck.

The fact so much is open source makes it even more of a poor excuse, as you would expect that to leave more money to be spent working on the closed-source software rather than less. I get Nokia did actually do a lot of work, much of which was paid for by Nokia yet become open source. But still, for the price you expect this device to at least be somewhat comparable to what went before.

I can live with the half assed media player and most other issues (although the 2G not dropping GPRS when a call comes in is a problem) but I am pissed at the poor Ovi Maps. Its the only really disappointment for me about the N900, as why does my friend with a 5800XM get a feature on his cheapo phone that I do not have on my far more expensive device?

If Nokia do not deliver on the N900 I will have serious second thoughts about buying a Maemo 6 device for fear of them pulling the same tricks again. So please Nokia, we deserve, paid for and expect the N900 to be at least comparable to what your cheaper Symbian phones can do. Its pathetic leaving out features because "they will be in the next device" as every change you make to Maemo 5 should be upwards-compatible with Maemo 6 anyway. Its a Linux device, treat it like one. You can backport pretty much anything on Linux to older versions, no excuses.

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

Its been out a month........Why is it that everyone believes that because the iPhone has 2,000,000 applications that every phone should have near that at launch?

Although I can admit it has its flaws and Nokia has made quite a few mistakes....

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

General complains are not about App availability, but not having Ovi Suite ready after more than a month (even version 2.1 beta doesn't add support N900) is almost as Apple launches an iPhone4 without iTunes compatibility!! The obvious conclusion is that they launched N900 before Nokia was structured to support a non-Symbian platform. Probably a lot of project management faults among the company.... I imagine Maemo development team worked completly isolated from other groups, and now it is also a phone are trying to recover the lost time...

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

What concerns me is not that the app is not available right after the phone comes out... it's that things like this are being marked for harmattan... not fremantle.

That implies to me that this will not be available to the N900 unless M6 comes available to the N900 (of which I have not heard an official word either way. There is another thread about this where someone claims a VP said in Barcelona it would not be.)

The fact that the N900 has been out 2-3 months and is already getting dismissed is what is concerning... not that the app isn't available NOW (at least to me), but that it just might not be EVER.

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

I feel disgusted right now. I spoke to a Supervisor at Nokia in December that assured me that a firmware upgrade to solve things like:
missing MMS
Ability to download all email images as opposed to one by one
would be available at the end of January, today the upper level N900 tech says he has no idea when it will be soon or not until March. The same lack of an answer was given regarding OVI Maps
Essentially he said that since most of their platform is Symbian that they are waiting on Maemo to get the patches fixed etc so they can get OVI Maps and maybe ( a bit maybe) stable N900 MMS working.
Having a new device that is missing such fundamental archaic features like bluetooth keyboard support ect just is lousy (and yes I have tried all the support hacks and mods with no luck so far.)
I think the OVI Map launch just feels like adding insult to injury when a new device, the N900 does not get some type of priority in the support area is bad business. I hope Nokia gets their head out of the sand before they blow this one.

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

curious, any ideas of system specs for "Harmattan"?

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

"Fundamental Archaic Features Like Bluetooth Keyboard Support" - I never knew this was a fundamental feature on mobile phones anymore.

Also, iPhone didn't have MMS for a LONG time......

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I can't, since AFAIK it was not recorded (and he was answering this topic's question because someone asked him).

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

iphone HAD fully working support for itunes syncing, a functional maps program (with navigation added later..that worked on the same device..)
And let's not forget the abundance of android devices on the market NOW that support turn by turn out of the box, and have no problems syncing with applications released by the manufacturers.

My point is that Nokia JUST released this device to the public 1 month ago, touting it as the "future", and now they are saying that standard features of phones/tablets that have been out for at least a year will not be included on the n900 in the near future.
AND to throw salt on the wound, they are supporting these features on phones that are a fraction of the cost of the n900.


90% of all the "information" on these forums is speculation... speculation because Nokia does not seem to like to address any of these issues themselves.

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

Wow, I had my N810 for at least 6 months before I started seeing fixed in Fremantle. Fixed in Harmattan indeed. I've had my N900 for a month or so. Oh well, my applications will only run on tablets I own. Just a small part of the ecosystem for sure. But I can't be the only one.

Frank

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Alas this is Nokia's way... they just fail to communicate with customers, it's like some strange self-harm condition they seem to have developed over the last 10 years. Perhaps they are always dreaming away about better past-times when all they had to do was churn out logs and not worry about all this PR/customer relations malarkey. If only they had the ability to whip up a hype a-la Mr Jobs and his latest iPap eh!

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Okay....

So when is Maemo6 device expected?
Definitely within this year or most likely next year?

I am the type to change mobile phones every 1.5 years to 2 years.
I've had my N900 for 2 months now. So 13 months until I buy another.
If Maemo 6 device is better than N900 which it should be, I'll buy it.

But I would want some more significant updates for it within next 6 months for the N900 to keep it competitive / useful.

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

Well, fortunately as people on this forum will point out... the n900 is not marketed as a mobile phone. It's an internet tablet (without USB OTG). Or is that defense only valid when it serves Nokia's purpose(s)?

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

What android/apple "smartphone" out now is NOT considered an "internet tablet" and phone?? Most "smartphones" out there are better at being an "internet tablet than the N900 is at the moment..

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

I would rather type emails with a bigger bluetooth keyboard if I'm at a hotel checking my work emails.
It's a must for many people who rely on typing things a lot with their phones.

Also, iPhone at least got "official" support for MMS later on.
But on N900, we will never get it as Nokia said it's not planned.

2-3 months into N900, Nokia are already pushing many things to Maemo 6 and abandoning N900 altogether.
Seriously, N900 even as it is now is pretty darn good. But it won't get much better if Nokia is already thinking about the next model.

Re: [Under development] Ovi Maps - Turn by Turn Navigation
 

I just think that it's funny how Nokia treats the Maemo crowd. Nokia's advertising sucks (at least in the US... I can't comment on how it is world-wide), so they rely on word-of-mouth. Who buys phones like the n900? Geeks (mostly). And what how do many normal people decide what phone to get? They ask their geeky friends, family, and coworkers.

Nokia, you're pissing all over your free marketing. Actually, you're pissing all over a lot of your free developer resources, too. Wow, thanks.

You want to remedy it? Treat us as customers you actually respect. Announce things like the n900 will support Maemo 6, n900 will get turn-by-turn in XXXX month, the n900 will get full portrait support in XXXX month, etc. [note: we'll accept all those XXXX features being in Maemo 6, just so long as you tell us that you WILL support it's arrival on the n900 OFFICIALLY.]

Where are those Nokia reps that were all over these forums hyping up the n900 months ago? Why don't they come on here and address some concerns?