Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

My main concern was not "Why nokia didn't release it faster" or anything else related to nokia. (those were given as the reason why I decided to flash)
It was about how people enjoy flaming other people for taking a bold step and having problems.

I will bet my 11 fingers that if the "PR1.2 Leaked" thread was 100 pages long with 100% success stories everyone would flash, even those who now criticize the bold.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

That's exactly my point. You are so easily assuming that I have previously in my life had the exact same opportunity of getting a leaked Firmware & that I have made it a habit.
When actually this is my 1st time.
I have learned the lesson, does that mean I have to rot in hell?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

that would probably be to mean. hope the lesson is learned for now. (and not forgotten).

but realistically you only need couple of accounts here and you can get many people to drive to your mine.


and eitama should I pay your childs education and sex disease pills if you poke a random girl without a condom?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Yes the N900 is open and you can install whatever you want on it, but you cannot compare PR1.2 with meego and mer: the first one comes from a relatively closed source where we don't know exactly what has been done (think modem firmware), whereas meego and mer are completely open developments, with people actually having the knowledge of the product.

As someone already stated, helping out people who flashed something not openly available is difficult and a huge time sink...time that could be used to improve Mer, meego, applications, etc.

And concerning modem firmware: it was a more or less known fact that PR1.1 flashed the modem and caused problems with downgrades, so it's not unreasonable to think that the same thing would happen with PR1.2.

And I don't even talk about the legality of flashing a leaked pre-version PR1.2...

Re: how old is the leaked pr 1.2 ?
 

You guess wrong. The firmware version number, if I remember correctly, contains the week it was built on, and not the date as month-day.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

It occurs to me that stoking up the level of angst and anticipation to that shown hereabouts of late for a software release, then anonymously releasing a plausible "leaked" version, complete with backdoors, keyloggers, bots, whatever, would be a pretty effective social engineering attack. I'm not suggesting this has happened here, but it's not implausible in the general case.

Practice safe hex; don't dl from unknown sources...

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

There were multiple warnings about how unofficial that release was in that thread. Some by the sole moderator in that thread, the rest were by others. I mean, last I checked... and I'm not trying to be mean here - but there's never been an Nokia update that was considered "leaked" and you had to go to megaupload.com for... if it's Nokia, it'll come from Nokia.

Do you have to rot in Hell for your decision? No. But you might want to see whomever else is commiserating about it and see if you can help out in their endeavors.

If anything, I've been on the side of leaked firmware so many times that I tend to rationalize it in one way... "If it breaks, will I miss it?"

And with my phone, I personally would not have chanced it.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I read like 12 pages of that PR1.2 Thread where people said it's the "real deal" before doing so myself.
And you can call me naive if you want.

I fail to see the resemblance between aids and leaked PR.

I have put lots of time into adding information into wikis on this site, and trying to develop solutions that will help lots of people.
And I would definitely put 1 on 1 time with any other dude here that is having a problem with N900 that I can solve. NO Matter what the source of the problem might be.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

wow. i have had change of heart. PR1.2 has been really good all day. i have had no issues at all. my battery is still 75% after 11hours.

not sure why but everything seems to be getting way more stable???? little confused but really happy :)



oooo and by the way. CAN THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING AND RUBBING IT IN STOP IT NOW. i enjoy helping people. if you dont. why are you part of this forum?? are you just wanting to leach off others?? i dont regret updating. its been an exciting 24hours.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

for god sake this is open source world there is noting called "leaked" in opensource world. If nokia want to keep such secrets then it will be better to stick with there crap phone. why the hell they released a Opensource phone when they don't understand what opensource is..

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000

Re: What works better in the PR1.2
 

Hey,

has anyone tried sending your contacts to a bluetooth car kit or head unit yet?

this could make or break it for me. :D

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

correction: address your own personal screw-up

Then stop moaning like a spoilt child.

Not necessary..... they did not approve that leaked PR1.2

Are you speaking for all or yourself ?

There are many others who do not share your opinions and conclusion....

You almost sound like a child who has flashed his dad's phone without seeking permission and is now dreading the repercussions.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

@vickyg exactly what iam thinking i bought the n900 couse its OPEN SOURCE like anybody told us before Nokia or the Meamo Community and now i have to complain about Strategy from Nokia why they dont give Informations and getting called a whiner.. I guess anybody should know what OPEN SOURCE means?

And again i have to say that i thought that the Maemo Council is connected to the Nokia HQ and be able to give some Informations to there Community. And we all have to stop now to call each other fanboy, whiner, troll we are all N900 Users and not a least Buyers arent we?

Maybe my Comment will be banned now too?

best regards Crown

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

It's not a secret. It's unfinished. That's the problem.

It was considered a leak because it's unfinished. If it were an OS or library update, apt-get update all day. Those still have to be committed before you can update.

This was a phone firmware revision that was unfinished. Nothing to do with opensource - there are updates for Maemo5 OS that once are finalized, they're committed and you can get them. But this is a firmware update for the phone... slight difference, especially when it's unfinished as it seems to be.

Re: how old is the leaked pr 1.2 ?
 

I wasn't suggesting that 20101103 was from the version number, that string is visible within the file not as part of the name.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

If you eat an uncooked meal, you will most likely get stomachache.

However open the kitchen is, ask the cook.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Well technically this is more Ajar Source; some parts are open and some parts are closed. Furthermore, just because something is open source, the authors shouldn't feel pressured to release it until they feel it's ready.

"Where's that code you said you were writing?
"Actually, I'm not done; there are so many bugs I'd be embarrassed to see it in the wild.
"You suck and don't understand what open source is!
"O Rly? In that case I won't bother finishing it, so it'll never be released.

Re: how old is the leaked pr 1.2 ?
 

The way I read the firmware version number here is, like Venemo suggests:

RX-51_2009SE_10. 2010 Week 12 Build 9 Public Release... I have no idea what MR stands for but MR0 would be something like Mobile/Marketing Region 0 - Global.

However, the date you found would suggest week 10.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

This is not some Android or Nokia Symbian crap to be such care full. This is a phone specialty made to let users enjoy hacking there phones so you options are good for those who just want to use phone,sms,browsing and email (Android) not for N900.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Oh dear - here we go again!

Chill out guys and just let it lie.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I believe OP is talking about attitude here and I can understand his point of view, there is no need to bash the people who flashed their devices with the RC. Maybe even some of them had no idea about the dangers and problems that could arise. Maybe they thought it wasn't much of a big deal at all taking a firmware that has leaked prior to release.
So, even if you're not in to help out here, maybe you could just keep from gloating at someone else's misery. Because that's not the spirit that we should keep in this open community, is it?

It's up to each person what to do. Personally I even wait a little while to see what happens when authorized public updates arrive, how the reactions are so that I know what will happen when I update. But I wouldn't blame or jump on anyone that goes right ahead updating.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

What would you like the council to do exactly? We do have friends at Nokia HQ - but they're the people active in the community anyway. It was a weekend.

The Council fully supports Reggie and the other moderators in removing links to the dodgy firmware. Do you want more flashing lights of "don't install it!".

Of course, if we did that we'd be accused of being Nokia's mouthpiece.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

That's where community come in TomJ to help developer finishing things.

Ya i know source code are not completely open but at least they can take time to let us know where they are, when they might finish, when they might release but they just maintain silence and let us fight over release date like apple and android.

Re: Major speedup for Fennec after PR1.2
 

I wont go by the numbers to be honest. What matters is that the browser now with this leaked firmware seems lot smoother and faster except for some lags while going back from dashboard after opening couple pages/apps which I believe is one of some other reasons why it isn't out yet..

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Answer me one question do you know the current status of PR 1.2 @ Nokia HQ.

When was the last time you came to know the status and what was the status of it.

Why it was not communicated to other members of community?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

pr1.1.1 is stable for me, and im more than happy with it

the key to a happy life is to always give your self something to look forward to, a psychologist once told me that and its worked for me for years,
now all those who 'tested' pr1.2 dont have anything to look forward to!

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

i agree removing the firmware link was the right thing to do.
However people getting on their high horses about this shows a lack of maturity. Frankly its embarassing.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

@vickyg:

The Council acts on community matters, and may or may not know details of OS updates. If they did know details, either a strict NDA is in place, or their personal reputation is at stake. In both cases, they have worked years to build personal trust with Nokia. Do the math.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

LMAO "1.2RC gave my n900 the sh#ts" lol:D
And yes i know im childish

Personaly ill take my 1.2 like i have my steak, Well done

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Indeed. There are custom kernels avaialbe for overclocking, hacks for all sorts of stuff which have been made easy by the fact most of the system is open, with the source available.

None of which means Nokia is or should be under any obligation to release code it doesn't think is finished. Not only is it in a different reputational situation to John Q Hacker, it is probably legally vulnerable as the OEM of the hardware should the firmware it releases cause problems. That's why it has QA processes. It might be nice if it were developing in a more bazaar style fashion, but while it is the design authority that isn't likely for reasons of liability. With meego being at arms length, the situation may change.

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

As a side note, my N900 is extremely fast, running really well and also NEVER crashed. Oh, I'm running PR1.2 @ 1Ghz and I'm going to 1150Mhz today (500Mhz min).

I also restored a backup from PR1.1.1. Everything works like a charm.
I knew what I did, if you don't then buy an iPhone or whatever. Stop making these stupid posts. They have nothing to give to the community. Noone forced you to install the leaked, stolen, missing, whatever and fake binary. Also, don't forget to make a byby thread.

/rant

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

What complete and utter rubbish. The source code for a lot of the firmware is NOT open source.

In answer to the question the thread title poses.

Yes. Totally. 100%.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Well then. Hack around the problems that some people are having and help them instead of justifying with me why you think that you're right in this situation pertaining unfinished firmware that has proven to a few that it was not ready for prime time.

I'm sure they will welcome the solutions you deliver.

You're still overlooking that if a vendor such as Nokia were to put out something so unfinished that you could no longer run, use, update or fix what was wrong with the platform, they'd be sued quicker than you could type your next sentence.

Simply put, this isn't a problem about it being opensourced or not. This is a problem of an update that was not quite ready and people jumped the gun. Some mixed results, a lot of good, some bad, some angry, some happy... some sad.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Nokia: These Apple basterds faked loosing their new iphone! We need to fake loosing our X8. Btw, we need some Beta-testers for the upcoming (when Apple releases something really nice) firmware, let's give them maemoers a leaked version...

@Nokia: Don't fool your customers, it's the only thing left after LOOSING your market leadership because of not being interested in GENERAL USEABILITY! I liked every Nokia phone, but always hated how ignorant and not helpfull at all a company could be!

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

To the OP:

I think you are asking the wrong question. To me, there is no such thing as 'to blame' anybody when installing leaked, not ready firmware. Nobody forced anybody to do this. On the other side I am also not seeing the other extreme like 'it was not right' or even 'it is illegal'.

I think it is OK to do whatever you decide (as long as it influences only yourself / your property), as long as there is no whining afterwards and (that is the more important point) blaming anybody.

We are all free to do what we want to our property, but with freedom comes responsibility. For example the responsibility not to point fingers after somebody decided to do something risky and it went down the hill crashing and burning :D

Summary:
Do what you want, but when you leave the path, do not complain about being able to leave it, when you break a leg.

Best regards,
Corwin

Re: how old is the leaked pr 1.2 ?
 

@gerbick: One harmless answer might have been.. I think I love you baby, after PR1.3 gets released I am all yours :D

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

This analogy does not work well.

This leaked fw was newer and with more fixes and enhancements than PR 1.1.1. So maybe you should say it was cooked properly but "possibly" with some stale ingredients. To me, it tasted just fine with no stomach aches even after 24 hours.

N900 was near raw when released. PR 1.1.1 is still a little undercooked. This leaked firmware is better cooked imho. I know coz I've tasted it myself. From this experience, I've learned that official build of PR1.2 will be quite a tasty meal. :p

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

Since PR 1.2 hasn't been (officially) released yet, I can't rate it. Once it will be available over the official Nokia resources like OTA Update or NSU, I'll come back and do the poll.
I won't flash a leaked version from unknown sources on a 600€ device risking to break it wothout any warrenty protection.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I do not exactly know to whom you are referring by "we", but if you mean people who have downloaded leaked fw from torrent/mediafire/rapidshare etc. source, read flash guides, flashed device with this image, found problems, came here to post about problems and ask for help then i would say that yes.

Fo f sake. Do you install stuff e.g. to your windows from random sources just because you are bored. Do you understand what kind of security threat these people are? Huge. People should take responsibility of their own actions. Sometimes I just think that oddly behaving mass of users are probably just teenagers who have not yet realised thing or two :|