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shooting a guy isn't illegal too. come on, you merely pull the trigger....

common sense and (copyright) laws just don't splash.

and actually the guy who puts them up is quilty if he/she includes copyrighted stuff (khrm lyrics) with the emu....

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Correct. Author hold rights over song AND lyrics and can sue over distribution of said content, whatever it might be.

Providing access to a service, however, is another matter.

Wonder if the software I wrote to Peter about is willing to support Instinctiv? Interfacing is real easy, it's the ARM Debian version I don't think we'll see.

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Actually, shooting someone is OKAY as long as you don't hurt them. The same go with providing copyright product for downloading....as LONG AS YOU DON'T HURT THEM...which in this case you don't!! You're not making money off of it and you're not causing them to lose money because they're NOT selling the product...and in fact, THEY EVEN MAKE IT FREE!!

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I agree with all of you. Copyright (especially in the US) is badly broken. That doesn't change the fact that people with bigger budgets than ours have made it their mission to sue people (many with smaller budgets than ours). We're all about copyleft but we also don't want to be sued ;). Give us some time and we'll figure something out that is either pretty useful (and free) or very useful (but paid).

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Thats what I like to hear!! Can't wait for the update

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Just so you guys know we're not slacking off :p here's a beta version -- it's still buggy and the new Identify feature is still under construction and we've solved only 50% of the laggy scroll problem, but we'll have the full fix shortly. In the mean, here's what we've got so far:

http://instinctiv.com/n900/073010.deb

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Thanks for the update, here's some annoying bugs i noticed:

-It uses nearly 100% cpu all the time, which causes stuttering in the audio playback.
-It always crashes when i minimize it to the background.

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Update works fine here, cpu usage for instinctiv around 15-20%, and Identify works great.

I would like the following features if possible:
1) Free choice of landscape or portrait mode
2) Search songs/albums/artists by typing on keyboard, as in the contactlist.

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My cpu is running a little high but it is a great update in the mean time. Scrolling is usable too. I agree about the features mentioned above. I dont need those right away tho because the progress is good so far

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had a quick try, definite improvement, smoother scrolling, art loads quicker, less lag. good all round really. couple of things i noticed (dont know if they're new or not though i'm hardly using scientific protocol to test!)

music doesn't work on silent profile
on general profile if a text is reveived music cuts out and doesn't restart itself.
some previously found artwork has disappeared
one album now has coverart of *this picture has been moved or deleted* (sure this cant be helped due to the nature of the art retrieval, but perhaps a case for a "search again" option)

thanks again all at instinctiv for your hard work.

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Who needs Shazam! Thanks peter, the identify works like a charm!
But I found one bug,
If you identify a song and instictiv can not find it, it still shows up on the history as a date and time.
and i have one feature that could be added
when you click(touch) on an artists, it should show be organized by the albums before showing all the songs

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yeah, its really nice, after 1min I understood how identifying works.... and wow :)

also the scrolling is much smoother.

I'm proud of you guys!

...but still would be nice, to be able to change some covers...all covers of English songs show the right cover... but with some of my german album covers are wrong...


edit:
if you need support for a german version, i would really like to help you!

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Wow this mp3 player looks promising

I however have a few feature suggestions:

Could there a features to control instinctiv using hardware buttons, for example:

1) Volume buttons (Short press) = Skip / Prev Track

2) Volume buttons (Long press) = Volume Up / Down

3) Camera button (Short Press) = Play / Pause

4) Camera button (Long Press) = Stop Track

Would be useful for example, when jogging / walking in public and the phone is in pocket, won't have to take the phone out to change a track.

Or when the phones screen is locked, wont have to go through the process of unlocking the screen etc just to be able to skip one track (battery saver).

Not to mention, it'd be the only maemo mp3 player with this feature.

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I think you're the first to suggest this. It's a friggin awesome idea though. We're on it :)

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Thanks for the encouragement :) I don't know if that's a bug though. The hope is that we'll be able to recognize it later as out database grows and worst case you at least have a mini recording of it that you can try to use to pick out lyrics and search for later... what do you think? Not a good idea?

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Nice work Peter....everything indeed move must faster. Most importantly, you added the playlist....that's the BEST feature. And the Identify actually work and was able to identify the songs that i tested. But i doubt i'll be able to use it while listen to car radio since i don't have 3G internet. But good feature anyway.

One thing i hope you add is the ability to delete song from the playlist...not the entire playlist. Also it was able to add duplicate songs from what i tested...not a big deal. Again thanks for the hard work. I wonder what else you have up your sleeve. Lyrics? I dunno...I am quite satisfied with what is on there now.

Oh i forgot...landscape mode...with displaying the art as big as as the landscape mode...that's what i look forward to.....

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That will be good! But i think it will be in conflict with camkeyd, an app that shows dashboard with a slighty press (focus press, not full press). May be playing with pressure options... or only when screen is locked. Anyway is a great idea!

PD: Installed new version, CPU usage is too high, and because of this scrolling is still laggy (at least for me).

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Hey Peter,

I have an idea. Is it possible that you add the ability to swipe your finger to change the cover art while a song continue playing in the background? And if i like what i see in the art and want to switch to that song....i can just press "play" to play that song. So instead of 3 buttons (previous, pause, next) at the bottom, you should add a "play" button to accomplish the switching to that art and song.
I think this is a natural fun feature because naturally people just want to swipe and check out other art while music is playing in the background.

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Camkeyd is deprecated, replace with shortcutd.

And yes, that would be bad. I take exposee over song change.

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Any button press that replace the Camkeyd is not a good idea. There is no way i will sacrifice camkeyd for anything. Camkeyd press allow you to back out to the desktop and see all open apps...that is a very important button.

Another thing is....this is a TOUCH SCREEN phone, hardly anyone now a day use buttons to navigate through things. I DO NOT feel like i am missing it and don't feel it is useful. Don't get me wrong, i am all for it if you can leave the camkeyd press alone.

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Thanks for the feedback everyone. I guess this is where a pref might come in handy. Gesture support while the screen is unlocked is great and buttons have no use while the screen is unlocked, but if you're out taking a walk and the phone's in your pocket and you want to skip a track feeling for a button in your pocket is a lot better than taking the phone out, unlocking it, hitting the right on screen UI element, locking it and then putting it back in your pocket. Having the physical buttons be useful should be pref enabled.

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that's what i said! default media player has working volume control while screen is locked, why not instinctiv, but play/pause and previous/next song functions as well? i'm tired of unlock my phone only for tap next song etc, i think this is a very good idea. and is no conflict with camkeyd or whatever if is used while the screen is locked (as long as you don't use the power button ;) )

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dont know if its possible, but perhaps you could implement these controls that will only work if the screen is locked, and revert to volume/camkeyd controls when unlocked? keeps everyone happy! (i'm already happy but thats probably the medication.) :D

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I agree. Physical controls make a lot less sense when the screen is unlocked.

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Wouldn't the headphones button make more sense, assuming one uses a four contact jack?

Oh, and, the camera button also needs to be handled differently when the camera slider is out. IIRC, even if the camera app is offline, camera button calls camera app, instead of exposee.

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Ok. Quick poll :) How many people have a button on their headphones?

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click on thanks on the above (peter's) post if you have one

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the headphones that came with the phone (mine at least) have a button, although its never actually done anything! not sure if this is hardware or software issue though.

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i actually use the headphone daemon that, along with the headphones that
can with the n900 is used to pause/play a song played with the embedded media player. i think use the volume rockers for next/prev is fantastic and even would liek it more then vol up/down, since i usually set a volume and thats it. btw those earphones are really good in noise canceling so in order to hear someone talking to you and not to yell and them, i have to take them off :)

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Totally agree with this, it would probably be better to enable hardware keys only when screen is locked.

Edit: I don't have any head phones with hardware buttons, -_-

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i think lot of people (like me) don't use the default headphones that comes with the N900, so would be better to implement this functions on hardware keys. there is already an app to play/pause or skip track with the default headphones (which doesn't work with the handsfree that comes with my Nokia 5800) :( so better than bring remote control with default headphones (that already exists) or universal control with all headphones and handsfree (imposible), make your efforts on N900 hardware keys.

Other thing: what about switch volume keys functionality? (short press for volume and long for prev/next track) i think short press allows you to adjust the volume more precisely than long presses.
And camera button, long press for stop player? i think is innecesary if there's play/pause with short press, also the player has no touchscreen button for stop, so what about other use?

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I use the Nokia headphones mainly because it allows me to answer/talk while playing, and because they're relatively small and free(ish). They hurt my ears, but then again they all do unless full-covered closed headphones are used and I'm not lugging those around.

Which reminds me, you don't HAVE to use Nokia's. IIRC there's an adapter that goes from 4 to 3 pins. It has a 4-pin, including button and mic on the bottom and a normal 3 pin jack on top so you can use your own. I had that for N80 I think. I also think I got one free with my gf's Samsung. She also has a desktop charger and 2 batteries, free. And touchscreen, and dual sim. For a quarter price.

Excuse me.

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Well I'm joining in on this convo late, seeing that my N900 is in for repairs and so I haven't had the oppertunity to try this app out. My media player app of choice is mediabox ... because it does folder view and pretty much has been a solid alternative, but seems like this app is worth the try once I get my phone back. One feature I religously used on Mediabox and haven't heard mentioned for this app is Shoutcast support. Is their any possibility of this being added as a feature to this app?

Also about metadata changes, even though it is a tedious operation when changing for a large library I would still like a manual operation for ambiguous matches. I'm sure with a fuzzy matching approach with it comes a probability of matching algorithm (if not maybe time to consider a rating scheme). Something like 3 levels of trust, a High, Moderate, and Low match trust. With a sliding scale the user can set the area where he can manually update, ie:

1) Highly Trusted Matches --> Leads to all audio files ranked from High to Low to be manually set.

2) Moderately Trusted Matches --> Leads to all audio files ranked from Moderate to Low to be manually set.

3) Low Trusted Matches --> Leads to all audio files ranked Low to be manually set.

Now after the automatic changes have been applied, the manual operation begins one file after the other giving the user the file name, and the suggested ID3 tags. The user goes through this, and where he leaves off is where the next set of changes occur on the next restart or press of the ID3 tagging icon if it isn't an automatic feature. To save on data, and server load this can be sent as a compressed xml and this xml has the persistant data so that the next restart of the app it knows which have been succesfully tagged, which files are new additions that need to be updated as a stub, and lastly those that remain to be updated.

Also I don't know about services such as Musicbrainz and how they operate, but I think they have one big achilles. That is these services look up the filename, the current id3tag, etc... The weakness is that these services lack proper file matching by use of SHA1 hashes ... just like virus total uses. The best way would be to do ID3-less file hashes so that every file can be identified and matched with a Master ID3Tag. A good insight as to what I mean, give the guys over at Bitzi (a file hash metadata clearing house much like virustotal but for any file) a look see:

http://bitzi.com/lookup/MMGF3E2KL34M...O4Z32?v=detail

Now the guys at Bitzi actually have services of tapping into the metadata much like virustotal with a simple hash look-up. Now the bitzi site can be used, but currently it wouldn't be the best solution as it a public directory and is open to not be right most of the times. A service like it should be done although which could maintain the master directory a lot more precisely. The downside with this is file hashing is CPU intensive and for the mobile world this most likely is not a preferred option, but I see it as the processors increase in speeds that point will become less poignant. Also this service wouldn't be the maintainer, if it is made in a way that it is only associating a file hash with a Musicbrainz or another services file id, like a cross matching service and in that case the matched services don't just have to be from Musicbrainz but from other ID3Tag public directories or even an in house service. This would give the user more options on which source provides the best tags.

Ayways, as always I end up over engineering a solution ;) , but please consider adding a Shoutcast service if possible to this app.

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This all needs to work with bluetooth headphones as well, of course :)

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So Peter, what do you think of the feature that swipe and change the big art while song continue playing in the background? Do u get what i am saying?

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instinctivene not start with me, you can help me? thank you.

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I think it's a done deal. :) Very logical, very intuitive. We'll see how best to implement it on the n900.

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airtux unninstall enna

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hello peter. i always use the phone to listen music trough n900 fm transmitter on the car... today i was testing the new version of instinctiv which is muuuuuch better and useable than the last ones but i found one bug...

when i finish the ride on my car, i stoped the fm transmitter but leave instinctiv opened on background, then i received a call, and when i finished the call, the player automatically started playing the song i had paused lol.. so it was kind of weird :P had to stop it and close instinctiv.. thx for your hard work, i hope you can understand me hehe

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...and the name of the copyright lawyer who said that was?