Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

That was, by any standard, a d*ck move. If you don't want people running your kernel, don't help. Tricking users into wiping their drive, from an account with good TMO standing is the height of d*ckery.

It is not up to you to decide who is worthy of touching the holiness that is their device. We all learn piece by piece.

If whoever copied your signature and ran it, fine. But posting that as a fix (even two posts down after the explanation) is out of line. I don't believe you read every thread, completely, every time, no mistakes.

Remember that not everyone have your settings. I, e.g., have about 50 posts per page, and every time someone says "back on page 4" I want to strangle them. I don't. Maybe he/she just missed the post on the previous page. Maybe he's tired, maybe, you know, his phone doesn't work.

If you feel he shouldn't be in -devel or -testing without being a guru, say so.

Next time you think this is funny, remember that there are times we need help. When you walk into a hospital office saying "help me, I've been poisoned", a doctor should pee in a cup and have you drink it because you shouldn't be drinking stuff you don't understand and you deserve even more problems.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

just installed it with the kernel-settings, and overclocked at 900 mhz with lv settings, and wow, the device feels a lot faster than power 42 (v46 was buggy for me) .
i hope that 720 video playback/recording is on its way ;)
and great job mate .

Re: kernel-power patches/updates
 

git clone http://repo.or.cz/r/microdia.git <-- the source from this link is for older kernel versions. You just need to compile it for our kernel. I used it back when ubuntu was on .26 kernel.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...a-driver-draft

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

If I never ran things I didn't understand, I would have to get rid of my computers.

The real moral of the rf comments is don't run code posted by people self-identified as a..holes.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Just wanted to Thank You, Pali, for your hard work on this, much appreciated!!

Running 47 with Multiboot for the past day with no issues. No perceived speed increases as others have reported.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Hmm...
v47 Kernel & NITDroid loading with multiboot but loading omap kernel resulting in error.
For those who are using multiboot can you guys boot into omap kernel?

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hey, the battery temp....... Ha fooled you. Just kidding.

So, anyway after taking about a day and a half to catch up on the whole thread, I hope I have not missed someone else posting that the battery widget and battery graph app do not match now.
for example my battery widget currently says 76%, while battery graph says 37%. I don't believe either of them lol:)
The status bar icon is on half empty (or half full if you are an optimist) and is green.
So, those few people who said the battery has improved, perhaps it is just an improvement in what the widget is telling you, and not an actual mprovement?
Perhaps it is just me getting this, and if so does anyone have any ideas? I have only had power kernel on for today and only noticed this today. Have not booted up back to normal and have yet to restart to power kernel to see if the problem goes away, just thought I'd report this and see if anyone else has noticed this phenomenon. Also I wanted to see what would happen when one of the 3 different results got to zero. It's all exciting like the grand national. Will the favourite win? Will there be a late surge from the outsider?

Also, if this will help- I have not enabled smart reflex or ticked enable bq27x00 module. Might be relevant, I dunno, I'm not an expert:P

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Just wondered... What would happen in the world if all teachers and book authors are like him >.< end of the world i guess...

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Just tried and booted up without a problem. Not using nitdroid but both v47 and omap load without issue.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Ok, i searched this forum and found no direct impact on the usb host in H-E-N with this new power kernel. It doesent work for me. I previusly had nitdroid, so i uninstalled it, restored my standard nokia kernel, and than installed this new power kernel, restarted my device few times, reinstalled h-e-n , but i cant connect andy drive or mouse via usb otg , previously I could. Is somebody else suffering the same problem?

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Btw... Those who still want the old look without the decimal could use this instead:

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Is this bug or what is happening at maemo.org
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/
Looks okey except that there is no mention about 47 but still..
http://maemo.org/packages/source/vie....28-10power47/

http://maemo.org/packages/repository...ee_source/all/
You can find those both from above link.

I tried to search kernel power from maemo.org/packages but could not find pali´s version.

.edit
and here in package events log
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/

..edit
What kind of hacking/elbow grease stuff is going on :P

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

I'm getting "guru meditation error..." when i try to boot this with multiboot... How do i fix this?
If not, how do i revert to the previous version?
Is it ok to just reinstall the previous package from the package page?

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

last five six pages are nothing but about temperature. conky needs to be updated $battery_temp / 10 ; now how hard can that be?? lol .. but boy oh boy noobs running commands they have no clue about is the ultimate hahahahha ~ sorry just can't help but laugh at this.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Everything is fine but i have problem with battery level.

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...reenshot00.png

And it is still working :]

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

I´m really in the noob stage and want to learn a lot, and I can´t learn if I never try anything strange and new :)

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Just installing power47 and multiboot.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

See this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=128

Seems like a workaround as pali currently is not an official maintainer of the kernel-power package.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Running at 900 MHz now with new v47 and feeling good. Thanks Pali !


Edit: just after i said this I opened email and this caused n900 to reboot.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Is there hid-apple module compiled in this version?

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

so if my qcpu is showing 413 c does that mean that in actuality it is 41.3 c?
am i correct? does this have any impact on performance?

i 46 before and i did an apt-get update/upgrade and it installed this version, i would of prefered 46, i being a 3/4 noob cant really tell the difference. could someone be so nice as to explain this all in a summary maybe ?

thanking you in advance for any help you may provide.

Peace. :) :)

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Divide by 10, thats all. 460 = 46.0 C, 413 = 41.3 C. :cool: No impact on performance, but your custom scripts (if any) might work wrong if they depended on this module before.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Can anyone help me?

Edit : nevermind, solved this by apt-get install kernel-power-bootimg

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Installed pk47 and my device responds a bit faster and maybe battery lasts a bit more than before with 46. The only problem so far is with hen and usb hosting that doesnt work anymore. Log says that port 1 is not enabled and hen tries to reset it again and again. I ll test it further though.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

So, if anyone read the post from earlier........ The battery finally died and the winner was batterygraph. I think it really WAS agreeing with the battery icon. SO, this means battery widget is not right. So, anyone thinking they suddenly have excellent battery life should double check, as if they are using the widget then this information may be wrong.
I have reset now, and removed then reinstalled and widget is still wrong. Have yet to test booting up in normal kernel mode. I can only conclude the problem is with battery widget, which was recently updated just a few days ago.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Battery widget got updated. In the latest version (0.4?), it uses both normal HAL and info from battery kernel module to get data. I think it should only get data from module when HAL returns zero or something. It doesn't. I run .46 and it still does the ugly thing.

Point is, it now uses a different approach to percentage, based on drain or voltage (or unicorns), but it's desync'ed from the normal percentage and (IMO) worse.

Today, battery widget said 78%, normal menu plugin said 45%(well, under 50, battery-eye and lshal said 45%). Based on what I know is my usual drain and the time it took to drain completely, I'll say 45% was the right guess.

The good part is that using other info than HAL it could display charge while charging. The bad part is that it's neigh unusable. Almost full and half full are quite different concepts. I think I'm going to revert to 0.3.

I also think we need a good battery widget. There is one that crashes randomly (last I tried it), one that only scales down (Why???) and recently displays random percentages and Nokia's own, that lies to me. (No, Nokia, 76% should be 3/4, not "one pixel shy of full". Also, advanced warning, please. By the time it goes "bling" it's already in cardiac arrest).

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

What, wait my kernel? WTF are you on?

You are ranting nonsense. However there is a grain of truth here, it is up to them to run whatever the hell they like regardless of whether it is a joke script or an untested alpha release kernel.

Yes it was posted as a fix, 2 posts after the explanation I had just posted. around 15% of the posts in this thread are people asking the same dumb question that is answered just above. Even if you only chose one page at random from this thread you would have found somone explaining the answer again. Also it is not like the script GUARANTEED to wipe their data. In addition to this the first version was not ASH complient, so it wouldn't have worked anyway.

Actually I do. When there is something that I cannot get to work right I search the WHOLE thread to look for similar symptoms, if that fails I search the net for more generic linux advice, if that fails I search around the ideas and suggestions/error messages and if that fails I will then consider asking for help.

While this excuse for laziness/RTFM failure may pass for general in this specific case the answer has only been but a few posts up on most of the pages of this thread. Even the most rudimentary glance would have revealed it.

Again what are you going on about? The fact is this hadn't even hit development repos yet. You remember development repos and all the warnings people used to give about bricking your device? Well this is one above that in riskyness. i.e. If you lack even the most rudimentary of problem solving skills/understanding STAY AWAY!

Cool false analogy bro, however allow me to take it a step further. What kind of dumbas$ would drink random cups of liquid, then expect sympathy when it was found out they drank a lab sample of herpes?

No, this is more like the dog that steals food from the table. No matter how many times you explain to the dog 'Don't steal food from the table, it is people food not dog food!' The damn critter just doesn't understand. So you leave a chilli and mustard sandwich on the table. The dog eats it and freaks out. Dog stops stealing from the table.


Don't call people a..holes, a..hole.




student: What is 2+2?
vi: 4
student: What is 2+2?
vi: 4
student: What is 2+2?
vi: 4!
student: What is 2+2?
vi: 4!
student: What is 2+2?
vi: 4!
student: What is 2+2?
vi: stand on the motorway with your eyes shut, the answer will hit you in a minute.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

I just spend the last minute laughing like an idiot on the bus!

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Guys, if i install bleeding edge wifi drivers(46-wl1) over v47 will v47 save all his new features, or should i rather create a new multiboot entry?

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

did anyone managed to run joikuspot with the new kernel??....As I read on the forums the joiku_bounce problem should be fixed but when i run joikuspot the phone restarts after a few seconds...

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

At the time I posted, .47 had been in my devel repo for a minimum of 5 hours, maybe more.

Agreed. This is what I said you should have done, not what you did. What you did is you took it upon yourself to administer a punishment which is, in your opinion, fitting to the high crime of asking.

You expect doctors to run a test screening at the entrance to determine if you did all the right things before giving you the antidote? Does anyone /deserve/ anti-venom, since they have obviously been stupid enough to be around a snake?

By that measure, if someone falls in a well, we should p*ss on top because whatever he gets he deserves for being around a well? Do you even know how his English is? His age?

Don't help if you don't want, lecture if it makes you feel better. You shouldn't be lecturing if you don't help, make way for those who do want to help. Just don't throw stuff in, that's low.

a) Every time it's a different dog. It's not the same person asking, it's another user. The fact that you tally them together means nothing to nobody. By that standard, you're whatever-i-want because I had to deal with 5 whatever-i-wants today. The dog in your story is a different dog every time, can't remember from dog to dog and your chilli is just cruel and pointless.

b) By the time you apply dog training techniques to humans you should already have a slight feeling you're over what is socially acceptable.

There are so many things wrong with that. Like being under the impression that they were asking YOU. When you are a teacher, like in the above scenario, maybe. Not in real life. Also,

a) If it were obvious like that, it would have been cool. It was not. You told the user to close his eyes and take 2 steps forwards, after which you pushed him into the tracks. Your justification being "he was stupid enough to listen to me". Which kinds of tells me things about you.

b) If you were a teacher and that student (again with the same person thing, really, TMO is quite large) got hit by a train, you'd go to jail for abusing a position of power and trust to trick a student to his death. Medical personnel, police, teachers of all ranks (including university) have special laws in place, making what they do to their students, patients, etc way worse.

You should not mistake gullibility or ignorance with stupidity and malevolence.

And frankly, even if they were asking you, and even if they did simply tl;rd the thread, and even if they thought to themselves "you know what, I'll be a d*ck today. I will NOT read the thread, I will NOT document, I'll just skip and ask vi_ personally what to do", even then, they're holes and you'd be lowering yourself to their level.

I guess that's a wakeup call for me, as well. We all have bad days.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

no reboot here but I do get an error 6-45--15. :mad:
Mailed Joikuspot support for it .

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

What is there to install? The wifi drivers don't get installed, they're just modules. Files. You stick them in a folder (or anywhere on device really), and then you insmod them.

46-wl1 was just power kernel compiled a tiny bit differently (cfg80211 compiled as a module - something you can load/unload, instead of "statically linked" - i.e. a part of the kernel itself).

47 does exactly what 46-wl1 did. Basically, imagine injection driver "kernel compatibility" as a patch (I wouldn't call it that, but it makes it easier to get what I'm saying) - said "patch" was introduced in 46-wl, and was merged into the main power-kernel in 47. Now if you do get that, then don't think of it as a patch from now on - it's just a different compilation option for the kernel. Up to power46, kernel was compiled one way. When lxp made the injection driver patches, they needed the kernel to be compiled slightly differently, hence 46-wl. But now pali has made 47 compile the same way, so there's no need for a separate kernel.

So, @all not comprehending: there's nothing to install for injection drivers - you know this. Think back to how you install 46-wl - you install/flash the kernel - but the modules just sit in a folder, and then you run scripts to load them. Just take that folder with the modules and the load/unload scripts, and use stuff from it.

But now power47 has what power46-wl had, so you already take care of all the installing you need to do. (Though if you want the osso-wlan fix lxp packaged/made [which should just go in the CSSU instead], that's a kernel-independent package, so you still have to install that - but it's also irrelevant to injection driver use.)

So just install power47, forget about 46-wl - it's no longer necessary to have a seperate power kernel for injection - and just load/unload the injection driver as you did before.

Oh, right, comparing non-sentient life conditioning to the best way to teach human beings is much more accurate of an analogy than his hospital thing. His hospital one is actually pretty close, and for what it's worth, your randomly-drinking-medical-samples is inaccurate too - it's not like he went online, saw a shell script, and went "**** that looks badass let me go run that".

If you want a closer analogy, it's like being at a party where you aren't close to most people but know of them, and have reason to think that the place is actually civil. Then when you ask for a drink someone hands you a spiked one - one that was spiked in plain view for the lolz of it by someone as a joke, not in true malice per se - and you happened to be occupied by something else at the time this *****ic joking was going on, so you don't actually know what it has in it.

But even that doesn't fully get it right, because if you're seeing your temperature reporting a really high temperature and don't in advance know the module in question is reporting things different, you're probably getting worried - even if you can rationally say - there's no way it's THAT hot or it would be frying my hand.

Now, it's still f'ing stupid to not even THINK that "hey, maybe this is mentioned in this thread, I should actually read the entire thing". But the situation is not helped by doing what you did. At least, it's not helped as much as it could be with other solutions. Now some guy who's only fault was thinking it's okay to casually ask instead of diligently search has to go reflash, spending anywhere from a couple of hours to a couple of days, and only a portion of people would psychologically react to that kind of "punishment/lesson" as a lesson to understand the code they run before they use it. Most will just become either less trusting, or get put off from trying to understand things they don't currently understand in general.

Learning isn't eating. You don't want them to avoid using code, you want them to understand the code before using it. The kind of learning that happens from such basal conditioning is not the kind of learning that fosters a concept that abstract.

Furthermore, in your student analogy - it's not the same student, it's multiple students. And then one guy gets screwed just because you got annoyed by the ones before him. The guys before him, and the guys after him, don't learn either way.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

i really like the new update. Thats what this tread was about, wasnt it?
I like it. hmmm!
Thanks kernel-making-dude!

edit:
Btw, if all of you dudes could help this guy instead of fighting about nothing, it would be deeply appreciated:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...01#post1000301

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Awesome!!!! the transition Potrait-landescape is more fast
but one problem
U-boot is not working anymore, =C
i see that the maintainer of U-boot for kernel-power v46 is Mohammad
Any chance of U boot for kernel-power v47 MaG?????? >.< C=
anyway thanks a lot

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

just asking,

does this have any effect on the IM accounts cause recently after the update, the IM accounts just doesn't seem to connect properly... or this has nothing to do with it?

thanks

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

And our winner of the "gratuitous use of cat*" award for today is...*Also, echo. And output substitution.
Or was this meant as an entry to the obfuscated code competition? ;)

Anyway, congrats on the Russian roulette script, had me lmao for a good 5 minutes.

For the critics regarding "it's different people each time" -- no, it's a bunch of people all doing it this time, and you can bet they all did it last time they saw a long thread about non-production software, and chances are quite good they'll all do it next time.

Not that I really think getting them to wipe their filesystems will change that, though.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

Depends on how you read the "it's different people each time" line, as language is ambiguous.

The point is, the SAME person won't ask the SAME question in the SAME thread... well, I ran into someone like that on this forum, when I actually diligently tried to explain to someone how to get some basic stuff done from X-Terminal. But that's still not what was going on here.

My point (and I think ndi's too) was that hitting ONE of those "all" will not make anyone else behave better, and it's also not the best way to make the one person who gets hit behave better... amusing though it may be for some of us who actually get what's going on.

It's like someone asks some question about a symptom they have, that five minutes on Google would answer, who has never seen seen a tazer nor knows what it is, and then you give them the tazer and say - "here, touch the two metal pins to the spot that's bothering you and press that switch, it'll make it better". They'll learn to be distrustful and paranoid a lot sooner, then they will learn to take the tazer, and then research what it does, before proceeding to do the advised step or not.

Meanwhile the other people asking the same stupid question, at best, learn a similar lesson - if they learn anything. We're dealing with people who can't read a single post in the threads they ask their questions, or can't retain/comprehend anything that they read. And we expect them of all people to learn from the experience of one other person - experience that is documented in a couple of scattered posts in a thread.

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

# SHINY_DEB='{extras-devel,extras-testing}

Okay. First off, I'm backtracking my post way back there.
This kernel has serious potential, and with all the new/backported modules and fixed the community needs, this'll go well with a modified uAB USB connector and H-E-N. It's good to see that the wl1 patch is being compiled into it, as I don't need to reboot from power46 anymore.

Second, search is difficult to use on any forum. It's easy to read though 5 pages of discussion on $SHINY_DEBS. It is /not/ easy to wade through 528 pages of lengthy discussion. Sometimes, it's just easier to punch in site:talk.maemo.org "searchterms" into Google.

I think it would be best if we could just send users to the first post, instead of endlessly rambling again and again about the same thing. (Oh wait, that doesn't work. See the NITDroid threads.)

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 

ok, ok, suggesting a command that kills a device isn't the nicest thing (although the original version actually doesn't work) but I can't be 100% with you on that one. If someone can't read one post above, then that's more than sad. The same question was answered mutiple times in a single page, how much more delicate attention do you want?

Maybe we all should rant on this is a separate thread?