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320 posts on a sketched up drawing that has been submitted for FCC aproval ????? oh my god if only this amount of energy was submitted to the OS of the N900 !.

The mind boggles oooer.

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Most of qt apps will work from scratch.

seems like they still will use Debian packets bad :(

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Dont be hating!!

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well if its not Meego can YOU give me an answer what Meego for handset is ?

cause atm there is no UI for handsets in the Meego repositorys?

AFAIK Meego Harmattan will use Qt-compnents.

The meego-ux from Intel is not suitable for handsets anyway so if Harmattan is not meego that means we dont have any UI at all for handset cause both Nokia and Intel has said along time ago that libmeegotouch is deprecated?

To mee it seams here is to many "experts" what meego is but non of you have ever proved what is not meego in harmattan EXCEPT the packagemanegment.

It really is time for you experts to show what is not meego compliant.

Nvy havent give any good answer. Would be nice if you could say WHAT. libs etc that is not compliant!?

But I guess you cant give any cause no one knows and is only base it on stupid rumors!

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If it's MeeGo or not has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of gui it uses. You can use whatever gui you wish on MeeGo or write your own. Just look at Android where the stock gui is rarely used anymore. To be able to call your os meego compliant it has to be just that, and Harmattan clearly is not as it's based on Maemo.

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To be honest I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about. Months ago we knew that Harmattan-MeeGo would not be the actual MeeGo source code but would be MeeGo compliant in every way that was relevant and as a result would be branded MeeGo. Nothing has changed right?

As to the question whether a Harmattan MeeGo app could be installed without modification onto MeeGo proper and I thought the answer was no and was already decided.

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Oh no. That camera, looks like the EDoF camera on the E7. Could that be true?

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Wow!
33 pages of comments already. If only Nokia put could this much emphasis on the MeeGo project *sigh

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the fact that people still have no idea whether this is a meego device, or some bastardised Frankenstein love-child of maemo tells me the n950 project is a damned shambles.

the fact that quim isn't even able to state where the most appropriate home for the device will be before it launches tells me the n950 is an colossal shambles.

for all that it may not matter to developers as QT code is portable, it doesn't inspire confidence among the geek audience that they are buying into a coherent open-source platform, and make no mistake, this is a geek platform because the mass-market mainstream joe sixpacks will have already bought an android phone, or perhaps a symbian phone.

i desperately want the n950 to be a success, and i am trying not to prejudge the launch....................................... but why the hell isn't the n950 running straight meego?

if Nokia were still developing maemo alongside meego a year after the projects merged then i don't blame Elop for deciding Nokia didn't have the skills to turn it into a mobile ecosystem capable of competing with IOS and android!

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And Meego is based on Maemo+Moblin! Does gthis mnean Meego is not Meego???

Seriously give me an example where it breaks compliance. Except package managment. Is it that hard??

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Is that not enough?

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Long answer: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2719

Short answer: Qt-SDK 1.1 does not support RPM and that makes it impossible for Nokia to base Harmattan on MeeGo. If Nokia continue to make open devices I guess that Qt-SDK 1.2 will support RPM and Nokia will move to MeeGo shortly after that.

I thought the same too but if I may guess Nokia was pretty close to release the Harmattan device long ago but then it got delayed again and again and again and here we are ... still no harmattan device released. But done is done, hopefully the next device after N9/N950 will be based on MeeGo.

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it is questionable cause some people her seens to not know what Meego really is. I mean it is ok to brand Meego it could have closed components? what libs is not compliant? where does Nokia break compliaance? I know only one and thats packagemanager. But seems there is alot of experts in this forum who says it breaks more but none of them have actuallhy showed me any proof.

Personally I dont know if apps installed on XX device must be allowed to work on Meego core to be Meego compliant I doubt so cause different devices has different HW.

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MeeGo is based on Moblin not Maemo. And a couple of other things that differs between Maemo and MeeGo besides package management: Maemo uses Busybox and Sysv initsystem and all of Debian's /etc. MeeGo uses Bash, Coreutils and Upstart initsystem. The next MeeGo will hopefully use Systemd too. And I'm sure there are plenty of other things too but these are the most important ones I can think of right now.

Edit: So to clarify:

Maemo: Busybox, DEB and Sysv
MeeGo: Bash, Coreutils, RPM and Upstart

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No because people here talks like it is way more than that? if its only this I dont sede any problem at all.

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Ok .. I just registered to tell you this.

I am a nokia employee who works on symbian (dont know why) but have seen the meego device and used it.

You guys are in for an absolute treat, it is the most incredible device I have ever seen. I dont want to divulge more information, but I guarantee you guys that you will love it !!

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Even so, it is not too unreasonable to assume there will be a sizable number of apps available soon after product hits the market if migration is easy. That's what I meant.

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Actually you'd have to go back to 2006 to make sure it doesn't have NFC.

Nokia 6131 NFC
Near field communication (NFC) features

• Contactless payment and ticketing capabilities
• Access to mobile services and information with a simple touch
• Uses Java specification requirement 257 (JSR 257) for third-party NFC applications

The PYARM-216V wandered through the FCC in February of 2007.

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Dont be a party pooper tell us more :)
Like what CPU does it have and what kind of camera flash?

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@subzero &#*!@&*#&!*?
@everyone else what does ROS or BOS stand fo
@marxiam link to that page please (if it isn't a fake)

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I'm sure there are many here who do.

This is standard industry practice. We see this with Android. I see no reason this wouldn't continue.

I'm not a software developer and I don't work for Nokia but I know one thing there will be components that are non-compliant. You know why? That's the way software works. I've seen enough software development to know that it is nearly impossible to not break compliance, especially because MeeGo is a moving target.

What does that mean? Between MeeGo Harmattan and MeeGo proper there will be changes required to get everything to work right. Will be minimal? I don't know I hope so. Is it a big deal? It's life in the software world. Show me an OS that has perfect forward and backward compatibility and I'll show you an OS that takes 3 to 4 years to release and still will not be 100% perfect.


I think people should expect that the first release or two of MeeGo won't be perfect. It'll get better, just might be a tricky first few months. Manage expectations and people won't mind the hassle. Promise / claim something that is impossible and people will whine / complain the whole time.

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plz watch this !!!http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...=www.google.jo



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I am newer to develop qt program on MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan in Nokia N950 (Version:1.2011.15-5_PR_RM680). I found I can't display my hello world sample as portrait orientation, the screen always displays landscape orientation.

Here is the code:
QmlApplicationViewer viewer;
viewer.setOrientation(QmlApplicationViewer::Screen OrientationLockPortrait);
viewer.setMainQmlFile(QLatin1String("qml/dzhqt/main.qml"));
viewer.showExpanded();

Does anyone know the reason? I really appreciate who can explain this issue.
Thanks!"

from forum.nokia.com

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@fatcobrah, okay what new information does your post have to bring to the discussion? jw.

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it is napoean's first post if you pay attention fo he might be winding us up like subzero

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i think this post is hidden or have been deleted .

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http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/16/l...-meego-phones/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/LG-to...h-197505.shtml

and

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/04/29...ne-next-month/

Like I said before as soon as Nokia said they are dropping it the other manufacturers got interested because they weren't interested in making devices for something Nokia has too much control over.

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Can you tell me the difference between Meego and Harmattan?

I guess not.

Only rumors rumors rumors.

Ofcourse Quim cant tell everything about Harmattan and N9x. What other company tells what they will release in the future?!?

And btw. what is "straight Meego"!?

There is no fully working "straight Meego" for Handset atm. Cause if that was the case N900DE should already be fully working.

Again the libmeegotouch in Meego for handset is DEPRECATED! The one used in Harmattan is based on QTComponents. And Nokia engineers has said it will soon be released open source!

But people will still say "its not Meego"

Read the mailinglists why stuff is as it is instead of sitting her spread ********.

(Not directed to only you I mean many people in this thread!

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@bandora, Harmattan is a natural forward development from Fremantle/Maemo5. There are plenty of differences between Harmatten and MeeGo Core/Handset. Why do you need "proof" of something far more enlightened people are telling you, and what does it actually matter to you.

* MeeGo uses ofono for phone functions, Harmattan and Fremantle use telepathy-ring.
* MeeGo uses evolution for contact database, Harmattan uses tracker.
* MeeGo uses MeeGo Touch Framework for MeeGo 1.2, Harmattan may still be using the ancestor of called DUI.
* MeeGo uses "meego ux components" for qml based apps, Harmattan uses "Qt Components".
* MeeGo uses sysvinit for startup, Harmattan and Fremantle use upstart.

Now, I could continue this list. The differences go into the 10s or 20s. But I can't be bothered to spend time on doing research you can do youself ... If you want to know more, look at maemo and meego system diagrams and you can see.

Despite what Nokia are saying Harmatten is Maemo 6, the similarities with MeeGo are basically only QML, DUI/MTF and the fact they're both GNU/Linux. They're hoping that with this being the main development API and similar enough to be compatible with MeeGo they can get a tentative MeeGo label. But like every one that knows has been saying, it's not MeeGo, it's not got a MeeGo Core base and it doesn't have a MeeGo handset layer.

Hope I've answered some of your questions.

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That's an old article, and the device mentioned within it was cancelled not long afterwards.

Neither of those articles has to do with a retail device announcement. LG has only announced that their developers will be presenting to other developers at a developers' conference on the topics of:

• MeeGo hardware adaptation to prototype hardware
• future contributions to the MeeGo project

That's all quite nifty. LG's support should benefit the MeeGo project, and it bodes well for the chances of there eventually being a retail LG MeeGo device of some sort, but it does not indicate LG is necessarily poised to begin shipping MeeGo devices anytime soon. And even if they do, the devices could well be televisions, not phones.

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What has the number of cores got to do with hardware being new or not ? Older hardware does have a number of advantages, like not running so fast, so using less power, so giving better battery life...

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Finally someone give me SOMETHING that maybe is different ;)

But I am not sure:

Meego using Upstart!? And Maemo6 still sysv? Is this confirmed?

Meego using Upstart I thought this was planned for 1.3? Cause it was not ready for 1.2? I remember there was a discussion on this topic in mailinglist and Intel was not sure Upstart was ready to be included in 1.2?

And about Busybox? are you sure this is the case for Maemo6? I can't see any reason they still using BusyBox. Only reason they used it in Maemo 5 was probadly lack of "internal flashmemory" on rootpartition.

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No, you've got it backwards, see my previous post.

If it's worth anything MeeGo 1.3 will move from sysvinit to systemd. There is a possibility Harmattan is using systemd, but otherwise it'll be upstart like Maemo 5 (Fremantle) uses.

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Fremantle yes. Harmattan, is this confirmed?

yes this was because Intel decided to abandon tracker. The plan before Mr Flop decided to use WP7 the plan was still tracker. I guess Intel got a bit affraid cause some of the tracker stuff was done by engineers inside Nokia. (And they didnt release patches in time)

Wrong. DUI is libmeegotouch and libmeegotouch is DEPRECATED. That means there is no UI API for handset so far.

Intel has released Meego-ux-components (And is based on qt-components!) and is planned to be used as Tablets UI.

And as you say Nokia is working on qt-components (used in Harmattan). Qt components was opensourced project but for some stupid reason they decided to work on it closed. But it will be released soon open source again.

Non of them is needed to be "compliance!"


And as an Nokia employe already has said Meeego-UX components is good for tablets and qt-components is good for handsets. Both those UI should be API compatible as much as possible. Up to the comunity to decide oif Nokia Handset UI should be in Meego. Personally I think it should cause its needed for handsets.


Edit: I took upstart as systemd wrong me :-/

AFAIK. systemd was planned for Meego 1.3 not 1.2 but I can remember wrong. But I remember this was discussed in mailinglist by Nokia people also, and they were possitive about systemd and maybe is using it in Harmattan what make it infact forward compliance to 1.3 instead.



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I am sorry it didnt :)

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your a **** you ask for evidence from us but offer non youself to say why its complianmt

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Thoise damn name. I took uptime as systemd :-/

But hopefully Harmattan is using systemd already. Atleast they are forward compliance in that area then ;)

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I hope this Meego smartphone will be another sam fischer's handheld like N900. And not closed-sourced enough to prevent any community development.
Also I have called N900 with the above alias because I am nearly sure that it can even hack a guided missile or a mainstream server computer(At least it did with the PS3 console). What do you think?

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This is great information; however it (to a pessimist) signals how isolated Harmattan will ultimately be in regards to the MeeGo ecosystem/code base.

That's enough of an difference to render some apps a probably one release (like Skype) or worse... vendors will be forced to split their dev teams and Harmattan will only get niche level support, if that.

Good information to know though.

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I think Nokia somehow is still insisting on developing through it's own legacy and rights.