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ysss 2011-07-09 15:46

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047761)
Just got my nokia E6.....and I am very unhappy. I tried to connect with the same settings I have on my iPhone to my work email. I get an error. Can't connect. What a piss off. That is Symboan in a nutshell and why Americans will not use it. Too many unforced errors as they say in tennis.

*Clap* *clap* Encore! Encore! *clap* *clap*

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 15:47

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1047765)
*Clap* *clap* Encore! Encore! *clap* *clap*

Shipping it back to Amazon

Dave999 2011-07-09 15:47

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047761)
Just got my nokia E6.....and I am very unhappy. I tried to connect with the same settings I have on my iPhone to my work email. I get an error. Can't connect. What a piss off. That is Symboan in a nutshell and why Americans will not use it. Too many unforced errors as they say in tennis.

and how does that relate to the proof that Elop is a trojan horse ?

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 15:49

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And at least I know it will work on WP7!!!!

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 15:50

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1047767)
and how does that relate to the proof that Elop is a trojan horse ?

Who said he is a Trojan horse? He is the best thing to hit NOKIA in a while. All it says that pre-ELOP crap is useless

Dave999 2011-07-09 15:52

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047768)
And at least I know it will work on WP7!!!!

So how stupid are you. Buy a windows phone instead:confused:

misterc 2011-07-09 15:54

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047768)
And at least I know it will work on WP7!!!!

that's what pretty much everybody agrees about;
wp will connect nicely to an exchange server, just like a LostDOS pc connects nicely to an exchange server.
unfortunately for microkia, everybody else can do that too, because even though m$ is not forthcoming with the parameters, anyone with a working PC connection can check them out...

maybe your failure says more about your inability then about the E6's.

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 15:56

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1047770)
So how stupid are you. Buy a windows phone instead:confused:

Let's not get personal here, and stop calling people names. Looked like a pretty device with business written over it. I guess not good enough to do business with my workplace

ericsson 2011-07-09 15:56

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047761)
Just got my nokia E6.....and I am very unhappy. I tried to connect with the same settings I have on my iPhone to my work email. I get an error. Can't connect. What a piss off. That is Symboan in a nutshell and why Americans will not use it. Too many unforced errors as they say in tennis.

I have had my E6 for a couple of weeks, and I love the little thing. Can't connect? I am sure you are doing something strange, in an american way maybe. Have you used the e-mail configurator?

ysss 2011-07-09 16:02

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047772)
maybe your failure says more about your inability then about the E6's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1047770)
So how stupid are you. Buy a windows phone instead:confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047774)
Let's not get personal here, and stop calling people names.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1047775)
Can't connect? I am sure you are doing something strange, in an american way maybe.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumbla...15770AJEnJ.jpg

danramos 2011-07-09 16:05

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1046954)
I don't know, but as a biologist I sure hope that they would leave the word alone. I actually have a proper use for the word. Now It has been raped almost as badly as the word "innovation".

EDIT: Currently working with microbial diversity in agroecosystems.

AGGRO SYSTEM!!!!
I'M RAGING SO HARD!!!!1!!!i!! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 1047098)
I am ignoring Nokia Maps on the N900 as that doesn't represent what is available on a Symbian OS device, on these devices it seems the mapping software to beat. Google maps as in the past needed an internet connection and that's Ok in a built up area, with a good data plan, but as soon as you losse your interent connection you are, literally, lost. 5.7 may resolve that issue but we were discussing Bing not Google maps anyway?

I have not tried it myself but I have not heard anybody saying it is better than Maps hence I assume why M$ want it on their devices anyway.

Edit

Can Bing/google maps do all this?

http://dailymobile.se/2011/07/08/nok...3-08-released/

Most of it, yes... and more: http://www.google.com/mobile/navigation/

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047708)
you seem to have a hard time keeping things apart.
m$ may be dominant in the PC market.
in the mobile phone market... >/nul
granted, you are not the only one making this mistake

in the mobile phone market, even though NOKIA's position is weakened, they are still dwarfing m$ by a long shot.

Additionally, let us not forget that Microsoft has been trying, and trying repeatedly for years (more a decade) to try, and fail, to beat the leading brand of mobile device--even when Palm was the leading device and sales floundered, Windows Mobile devices didn't really take off. Nobody wanted it even when they had the best opportunity to take over. Apple quickly came in and took that away. Nokia is siding itself with a proven historic loser in the mobile space. I won't EVEN start explaining how well Zune did compared to iPod, Sansa or anyone else in the portable music devices. Microsoft has a history showing that they can't really make a "cool" or catchy device people want.

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047708)
just because they changed the name from mobile to portable doesn't make it a new product; it is still the same old buggy software that hasn't been able to gain any significant market share in over 10 years. during those 10 years, NOKIA single handedly created the smart phone & had a de facto monopoly 'til the competition got around to it too. but not m$, nope.

Actually, Windows Mobile 7 appears to be based on all-new code. Yeah, I made the same mistake for a while too, thinking it's based on all the same trash code they've been regurgitating for years. You may be thinking of Project Photon. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...Windows_Mobile. It hardly matters, though, as I'm pretty certain it'll be the iPod vs Zune all over again (as it's already playing out in the Windows Phone 7 market already)--nobody wants what Microsoft is peddling and it fails to impress consumers. Nokia hardware hasn't impressed most people either. They've both already soiled their brands so much that even if they DID make something good, it's not likely to be wanted because they spent so much time and effort ruining their reputations in the past--made worse because Windows Phone 7 still isn't very good at all and Nokia doesn't listen or take care of their customers.

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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047761)
Just got my nokia E6.....and I am very unhappy. I tried to connect with the same settings I have on my iPhone to my work email. I get an error. Can't connect. What a piss off. That is Symboan in a nutshell and why Americans will not use it. Too many unforced errors as they say in tennis.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

misterc 2011-07-09 16:14

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1047780)
[...]
nobody wants what Microsoft is peddling and it fails to impress consumers. Nokia hardware hasn't impressed most people either. They've both already soiled their brands so much that even if they DID make something good, it's not likely to be wanted because they spent so much time and effort ruining their reputations in the past--made worse because Windows Phone 7 still isn't very good at all and Nokia doesn't listen or take care of their customers.
[...]

the N9's reception seem to tell another story...

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1047780)
[...]
Actually, Windows Mobile 7 appears to be based on all-new code.
[...]

okay
the same old crappy philosophy, then ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1047780)

maybe he wasn't even able to turn it on in the 1st place?

misterc 2011-07-09 16:16

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1047783)

another troll added to the ignore list ¦-)

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 16:18

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1047775)
I have had my E6 for a couple of weeks, and I love the little thing. Can't connect? I am sure you are doing something strange, in an american way maybe. Have you used the e-mail configurator?

I did use the configurator and otherwise love the device. The error that I get: Mandatory Service policy failed. Someone else reported this problem to nokia message boards. I have no patience for sh*t like this

misterc 2011-07-09 16:25

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047791)
I did use the configurator and otherwise love the device. The error that I get: Mandatory Service policy failed. Someone else reported this problem to nokia message boards. I have no patience for sh*t like this

but you have been living for how many years with blue screens of death and other intrinsic instabilities "built into" LostDOS?

or with the fact that if there is (was, now, for more recent versions, but a lot of ppl still use XP out there, the majority, in fact, i believe...) no way you can keep a m$ machine clean of malware even 1 hr, if it is connected to the internet.
or even go online w/ HIHAAAAAAAN?!?
either the security is turned so tight, you can't even open a file on your PC, or any hacker even on the south pole can access your PC

ysss 2011-07-09 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047788)
ook oook oook oooooook ¦-)

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/st...-excitedly.jpg

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 16:29

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047792)
but you have been living for how many years with blue screens of death and other intrinsic instabilities "built into" LostDOS?

or with the fact that if there is (was, now, for more recent versions, but a lot of ppl still use XP out there, the majority, in fact, i believe...) no way you can keep a m$ machine clean of malware even 1 hr, if it is connected to the internet.
or even go online w/ HIHAAAAAAAN?!?
either the security is turned so tight, you can't even open a file on your PC, or any hacker even on the south pole can access your PC

? U miss the point here. A corporate phone should have no issues with email installation. And other people reported similar problem. Pre-ELOP nokia can't get simple email right!

misterc 2011-07-09 16:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047794)
? U miss the point here. A corporate phone should have no issues with email installation. And other people reported similar problem. Pre-ELOP nokia can't get simple email right!

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047772)
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047768)
And at least I know it will work on WP7!!!!

that's what pretty much everybody agrees about;
wp will connect nicely to an exchange server, just like a LostDOS pc connects nicely to an exchange server.
unfortunately for microkia, everybody else can do that too, because even though m$ is not forthcoming with the parameters, anyone with a working PC connection can check them out...

maybe your failure says more about your inability then about the E6's.

again, your failure...

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 16:51

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047802)
again, your failure...

NOKIA failure. They suck at writing software and need WP to save them

Dave999 2011-07-09 17:02

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047804)
NOKIA failure. They suck at writing software and need WP to save them

Again, I still don't understand why you dont get an Windows phone right now.

ericsson 2011-07-09 17:03

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047791)
I did use the configurator and otherwise love the device. The error that I get: Mandatory Service policy failed. Someone else reported this problem to nokia message boards. I have no patience for sh*t like this

Sounds like a Microsoft error to me, your admin has screwed up regarding policies.

danramos 2011-07-09 17:06

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047787)
the N9's reception seem to tell another story...

The reception by whom? Reviewers? Let's wait to see what the numbers are like once it's being sold to customers. I sincerely doubt it'll be the big hit some of us would like to hope it will be. I just feel like this device is intentionally designed to fail. Anyway, we'll see.

misterc 2011-07-09 17:09

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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047804)

ignore list ¦-)

ericsson 2011-07-09 17:13

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1047780)
Additionally, let us not forget that Microsoft has been trying, and trying repeatedly for years (more a decade) to try, and fail, to beat the leading brand of mobile device--even when Palm was the leading device and sales floundered, Windows Mobile devices didn't really take off. Nobody wanted it even when they had the best opportunity to take over. Apple quickly came in and took that away. Nokia is siding itself with a proven historic loser in the mobile space. I won't EVEN start explaining how well Zune did compared to iPod, Sansa or anyone else in the portable music devices. Microsoft has a history showing that they can't really make a "cool" or catchy device people want.

You have heard about HTC? Previously they were an OEM making phones with a variety of names, but not just any phone, they were making phones using Windows Mobile. In fact that was the core business idea for HTC; make phones and pads that could be used the way people use a desktop PC. And they succeeded. They started with nothing and today they are one of the leading brands, thanks to Windows CE. Of course, Android has boosted the company big time during the last couple of years.

patlak 2011-07-09 17:14

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1047814)
The reception by whom? Reviewers? Let's wait to see what the numbers are like once it's being sold to customers. I sincerely doubt it'll be the big hit some of us would like to hope it will be. I just feel like this device is intentionally designed to fail. Anyway, we'll see.

The device is not designed to fail. However, the selection of markets for release will get the device to fail. Elop will finally have an excuse, "oops, the N9 didn't sell as expected, I pronounce MeeGo dead, and the marriage to Microsoft official."

patlak 2011-07-09 17:16

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1047820)
You have heard about HTC? Previously they were an OEM making phones with a variety of names,...

They have always been an OEM.

misterc 2011-07-09 17:17

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1047814)
The reception by whom? Reviewers? Let's wait to see what the numbers are like once it's being sold to customers. I sincerely doubt it'll be the big hit some of us would like to hope it will be. I just feel like this device is intentionally designed to fail. Anyway, we'll see.

copy that.
in fact, according to Jo Harlow, Executive Vice President, Smart Devices the N9 is an early-adopter tech geek device.
the same as the N900.
even if the masses are enthusiastic (ppl camping in front of the store the previous night ?!? :eek: ), well, they better arm themselves with a morgenstern instead of patience... :D
history doesn't repeat itself, it stutters... :(

patlak 2011-07-09 17:18

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1047809)
Again, I still don't understand why you dont get an Windows phone right now.

He believes that Nokia Mango is different from HTC, LG and Samsung Mango.

misterc 2011-07-09 17:20

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1047821)
The device is not designed to fail. However, the selection of markets for release will get the device to fail. Elop will finally have an excuse, "oops, the N9 didn't sell as expected, I pronounce MeeGo dead, and the marriage to Microsoft official."

yea... was it ericsson who was bragging about his Viagra stock?
maybe he can send a few boxes to Redmond, otherwise the microkia union will not bear many children :|

patlak 2011-07-09 17:22

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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047804)
NOKIA failure. They suck at writing software and need WP to save them

And yet you waste your precious free time on a Maemo forum and bought an E6. Let me ask you this: Nokia failure or BigBadGuber failure?

Just buy a WP7 device now and get it over with.

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 17:27

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[QUOTE=patlak;1047831]And yet you waste your precious free time on a Maemo forum and bought an E6. Let me ask you this: Nokia failure or BigBadGuber failure?

Just buy a WP7 device now and get it over with.[/QUOTE

I will get SeaRay and N9 and will let you know how it feels. If N9 makes it to America....but then...my work mail will not work on N9 either because of superior software writing skills at pre-ELOP NOKIA

patlak 2011-07-09 17:28

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1047761)
Just got my nokia E6.....and I am very unhappy. I tried to connect with the same settings I have on my iPhone to my work email. I get an error. Can't connect. What a piss off. That is Symboan in a nutshell and why Americans will not use it. Too many unforced errors as they say in tennis.

You continually criticize Nokia, Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo and persistently praise WP7. So why waste your money on an E6? Buy a HD7, get out of the forum and shut your rabbit hole.

ADVICE: Use your brain and stop making dumb decisions that'll make you regret.

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 17:29

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1047811)
Sounds like a Microsoft error to me, your admin has screwed up regarding policies.

NOPE! My E71 works fine, so does E51 and all the dinosaurs

patlak 2011-07-09 17:30

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[QUOTE=BigBadGuber!;1047834]
Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1047831)
And yet you waste your precious free time on a Maemo forum and bought an E6. Let me ask you this: Nokia failure or BigBadGuber failure?

Just buy a WP7 device now and get it over with.[/QUOTE

I will get SeaRay and N9 and will let you know how it feels. If N9 makes it to America....but then...my work mail will not work on N9 either because of superior software writing skills at pre-ELOP NOKIA

So I ask again, why buy anything that isn't WP7?

misterc 2011-07-09 17:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1047836)
You continually criticize Nokia, Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo and persistently praise WP7. So why waste your money on an E6? Buy a HD7, get out of the forum and shut your rabbit hole.

ADVICE: Use your brain and stop making dumb decisions that'll make you regret.

maybe he forgot where his rabbit hole is?
put him on your ignore list (click on his ID, click on User Lists ...)

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 17:34

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
I have to say that otherwise E6 is not a bad device. It is still symbian to the core, despite Anna, with same dizzying submenus, but I like the keyboard and screen combination

ysss 2011-07-09 17:37

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
There has to be a way to objectively measure trollops and regulate their existence in this forum...

BigBadGuber! 2011-07-09 17:40

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1047848)
There has to be a way to objectively measure trollops and regulate their existence in this forum...

I agree PAPA

ericsson 2011-07-09 17:47

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
This thread has really turned into a circus, and now danramos the clown has entered as well. But be quiet, don't tell him, he doesn't know it himself.

Can't we just wait and see how these Nokia-WP phones will be? Will they succeed, will they not, it's all speculation. No one knows either way.

But Elop a trojan? far from it. Nokia see him as the one to get the wheels rolling, so Nokia can produce some high end devices. Microsoft see him as "their guy", if for no other reasons than he (and Nokia) is the key to get the wheels on WP rolling. It is a win-win situation.

As I have said before. The first Nokia-WP with HW keyboard is mine. Right now I have a Samsung Wave (bada rox, but 2.0 takes for ever to be released :( ), I have a N900 that has served me well during the last 1 1/2 year, I have my E6 which probably will be all I need for several years. But things move and changes. Symbian will be gone, WP will take over. It's cool, then I can go all sentimental over the perfect E6 while writing nonsense on TMO on my flashy new WP :D

I mean lighten up, phones are like women, they come in all colors and shapes, and they all got their charm, and are all enjoyable in their own way. They all need to be touched and tasted :D There are exceptions though. The iPhone - far from enjoyable as well as most Androids :mad:

patlak 2011-07-09 17:48

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1047840)
maybe he forgot where his rabbit hole is?
put him on your ignore list (click on his ID, click on User Lists ...)

In the words of Jobs: "there is an app for that!!!!"

An app might help him find the rabbit hole :D


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