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danramos

2011-08-10 03:52

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1066994)

You and gerbick might have agreed, but not me. :D

But if you provide open source drivers I don't mind calling you a CEO.

I'll meet you halfway and do a Nokia for you and I'll just promise them... someday. :)

lma	2011-08-10 08:05

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1067000)

I'll meet you halfway and do a Nokia for you and I'll just promise them... someday. :)

No, no, no, you're doing it wrong!

First you have to be completely silent on the subject. Eventually, when people begin to notice and start asking for code, spend years discussing the process for opening instead of the opening requests themselves. Then make people jump through hoops and repeat the same requests in different ways, assign a community member to process the new requests, but ignore his recommendations. Then, when you haven't really satisfied any of the requests but most of them can be ticked off because they have become irrelevant through obsolescence, pretend everything's fine except perhaps a couple of cases that won't be satisfied for "business reasons". Then pronounce the platform dead, give it a new name and a paint job and tell people to start all over again there. Then hold a meeting with the community council and tell them you can still open some stuff up, if only the requests could be a bit more compelling. Finally, pull out of the new platform before you even release a product.

danramos

2011-08-10 23:35

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 1067058)

GENIUS!

Here's a story in pictures:
http://static2.businessinsider.com/i...lmer-nokia.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-js5lDD3grQ...g%2Bnokia3.png

jalyst

2011-08-11 08:36

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 1067058)

<SNIP>First you have to be completely silent on the subject. Eventually, when people begin to notice and start asking for code, spend years discussing the process for opening instead of the opening requests themselves. Then make people jump through hoops and repeat the same requests in different ways, assign a community member to process the new requests, but ignore his recommendations. Then, when you haven't really satisfied any of the requests but most of them can be ticked off because they have become irrelevant through obsolescence, pretend everything's fine except perhaps a couple of cases that won't be satisfied for "business reasons"<SNIP>

Gold! This bit, sounds a lot like stock Android too.
Cept they've never promised the same level of openness from the outset.
So it doesn't look as bad... :D

Still, on-balance, MeeGo is apparently doing better than Android.
http://www.visionmobile.com/research.php#OGI
But clearly not up to the standard we were all originally led to believe.

This may be an opportunity to get some folk to chime-in to a thread I started a while ago.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4087

momcilo

2011-08-11 17:56

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Screenshots of UI from last tabco video:
http://is.gd/qJOOJD
http://is.gd/iwfeua
http://is.gd/L5XVPQ

Waiting for danramos to release some more material before Monday! :D

mikecomputing

2011-08-11 18:41

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1067989)

Screenshots of UI from last tabco video:
http://is.gd/qJOOJD
http://is.gd/iwfeua
http://is.gd/L5XVPQ

Waiting for danramos to release some more material before Monday! :D

Overhyped crap it seems not even sure its linux/meego. But we dont need yet another development framework so I hope its Qt based...

Daneel

2011-08-11 18:50

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

If its the else, its not qt.

jalyst

2011-08-11 18:56

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Yaaaaaaawwwwnnn.......
These guys are so going to be laughed at if they don't deliver.
Switching to weekly subscription for this thread.
We'll finally know how **** it is by then. :)

momcilo

2011-08-11 19:03

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daneel (Post 1068025)

If its the else, its not qt.

Does it use gtk+/GNOME as a framework?

mikecomputing

2011-08-11 19:50

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1068029)

Does it use gtk+/GNOME as a framework?

Well then I hope its HTML5.

If Gtk+ I say write apps in C is way off 2011.

C is nice language for lowlevel stuff but def. not for appwriting.

Daneel

2011-08-11 20:11

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Developer FAQs
What are the application development environments that will be supported on LiMo 4?

LiMo 4 will initially support Flash, AIR and WAC runtimes. In addition, LiMo OEM Members may potentially support native development.
When will SDKs and a LiMo developer program be available?

Instead of launching its own ecosystem, LiMo is supporting existing ecosystems such as WAC and Flash. Therefore, 3rd party developers are encouraged to use Adobe tools and WAC SDKs to develop applications for the LiMo Platform.

How will LiMo ensure compatibility (interoperability of 2nd and 3rd party apps) across LiMo devices from multiple vendors?

LiMo will make a Conformance Test Suite (CTS) available to OEMs planning to ship LiMo devices so that they can certify their devices as being LiMo compliant, thereby achieving application and middleware portabilty /interoperability.

momcilo

2011-08-11 20:27

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1068064)

Well then I hope its HTML5.

If Gtk+ I say write apps in C is way off 2011.

C is nice language for lowlevel stuff but def. not for appwriting.

I've never mentioned C. GTK+ has bindings for many languages.

But why do you think it is not well suited for writing applications?

velox

2011-08-12 00:06

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

While reading up on the whole Tabco subject, I've noticed a facebook comment mentioning german Ayinger Beer. According to their website, it's not widely distributed worldwide – but there is a company importing it located 10 minutes from Nokia Headquarters in Espoo.

If that's actually relevant at all, it might be interpreted as a pointer to at least former Nokians. :)

danramos

2011-08-12 02:30

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

The name TabCo keeps being misread--in my mind--as TOBACCO. :P I can't WAIT to see the first sets of OS patches. TABCO PATCHES!

Kangal

2011-08-12 14:24

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

I just keep thinking "Tabasco" my favourite sauce.

I could picture a small group of ~80 people that were fired from Nokia after the Elopocalypse, that banded together to create the "TabCo" group.

They already knew Nokia's roadmap, so the best possible thing for them would be to:
Design a tablet with a NOKIA-esque to it.
Implement the latest MeeGo builds, particularily Alien Dalvik (a la RIM PlayBook).
Generate a viral marketing (since they can't market it themselves).
Scrap enough funding to sell it, similar to the success (failure?) of OpenPandora.

Dave999

2011-08-12 15:08

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1068508)

I would love if that was true. Unfortunately it's not.

Source: Chuck Norris

Verythrax

2011-08-12 16:49

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

I'm quite sure it's coming from the Joojoo guys. The mockup they show in the videos is identical to the Grid tablet that appeared at FCC, they are americans and their CEO is really from Singapore.

PS: that and the else OS ;)

Texrat

2011-08-12 17:26

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Am I the only one to check TabCo's domain registration?

Interestingly enough, it's changed recently.

First time I checked it was:

Quote:

Registrant:
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US

Registrar: DOTSTER
Domain Name: WHOISTABCO.COM
Created on: 23-MAY-11
Expires on: 23-MAY-12
Last Updated on: 07-JUN-11

Administrative Contact:
NevWga@PRIVACYPOST.COM
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US
+1.360-449-5933

Technical Contact:
UuFqHd@PRIVACYPOST.COM
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US
+1.360-449-5933

Now it's

Quote:

Domain Name: WHOISTABCO.COM
Registrar: DOTSTER, INC.
Whois Server: whois.dotster.com
Referral URL: http://www.dotster.com
Name Server: NS1.NAMERESOLVE.COM
Name Server: NS2.NAMERESOLVE.COM
Name Server: NS3.NAMERESOLVE.COM
Name Server: NS4.NAMERESOLVE.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 07-jun-2011
Creation Date: 23-may-2011
Expiration Date: 23-may-2012

...so they stripped out the location info... hmmm... EDIT: or for unknown reasons I'm just getting different results (see post below)

http://www.whois.net/whois/whoistabco.com

debernardis

2011-08-12 17:54

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

I still see location info in my whois:

Code:

Registrant:

   c/o WHOISTABCO.COM

   P.O. Box 821650

   Vancouver, WA  98682

   US

mikecomputing

2011-08-12 18:22

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1068073)

I've never mentioned C. GTK+ has bindings for many languages.

But why do you think it is not well suited for writing applications?

Because developers are lazy. Including myself :)

I did some apps using Gtk+ some years ago and nothing wrong with this toolkit.

But now I prefer Qt(Quick) it has more potential even for commercial apps etc...

And even if we prefer opensource we have to realise some apps will never be open and commercial devs prefer Qt over Gtk+ mostly because Qt is more "complete framework". That was probadly one reason Nokia dished Gtk/manyclibs in favour of Qt...

Just take a look at N900 and Maemo5 its WAY easier write apps using Qt(Mobility) instead of talk to lowlevel libs in C on Maemo5.

And yes I know there are SEVERAL bindings for Gtk+/Glib but in a way this gives more headache cause then those bindings has to be "extra" loaded in memory. Atleast in case of C -> C++ bindings its a drawback. In case of Python I guess its the same(drawback)...

Texrat

2011-08-12 18:31

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 1068667)

I still see location info in my whois:

Code:

Registrant:

   c/o WHOISTABCO.COM

   P.O. Box 821650

   Vancouver, WA  98682

   US

Interesting. Wonder why I'm getting different results now...

mikecomputing

2011-08-12 18:31

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

If its not Meego device I will go for HP touchpad next week :P

WebOS is also cool IMHO :)

momcilo

2011-08-12 19:09

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1068682)

Interesting. Wonder why I'm getting different results now...

Because you are reading REGISTRAR info, bellow there should be actual data on REGISTRANT.

Are you saying you get only registrar info?

EDIT: I've just spotted link you were using to determine it. I've used command line whois command, which provides non-stripped information.

mece	2011-08-12 20:33

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

google that po box. You'll get some rather interesting results...
For example: http://scam.m2osw.com/vital-records.html

Texrat

2011-08-12 20:46

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1068692)

I used the same exact approach both times and got different results (registrar only today). Not sure why.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mece (Post 1068733)

google that po box. You'll get some rather interesting results...
For example: http://scam.m2osw.com/vital-records.html

It's got to be the registrar...

momcilo

2011-08-12 20:51

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1068743)

I used the same exact approach both times and got different results (registrar only today). Not sure why.

Which whois server did you use?
Mine is: whois.dotster.com

Verythrax

2011-08-12 20:53

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

The registrar must own several PO boxes at that address. That makes sense, it's just the registrar, not the registrant.

Texrat

2011-08-12 22:39

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1068748)

Which whois server did you use?
Mine is: whois.dotster.com

I just used whois.net, both times.

momcilo

2011-08-12 22:44

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

As someone suggested earlier:

Quote:

This listing is a Whois Privacy Customer. Mail correspondence to this
address must be sent via USPS Express Mail(TM) or USPS Certified
Mail(R); all other mail will not be processed. Be sure to include
the domain name in the address.

tzsm98

2011-08-12 22:48

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1068651)

Am I the only one to check TabCo's domain registration?

Interestingly enough, it's changed recently.

First time I checked it was:

Now it's

...so they stripped out the location info... hmmm... EDIT: or for unknown reasons I'm just getting different results (see post below)

http://www.whois.net/whois/whoistabco.com

See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...is#post1049131

for previous incarnation of whois info ~11 July

danramos

2011-08-13 04:48

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by tzsm98 (Post 1068828)

see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...is#post1049131

for previous incarnation of whois info ~11 july

OMIGOD stop yelling!! :D

ysss	2011-08-13 04:54

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1068683)

If its not Meego device I will go for HP touchpad next week :P

Awesome!
Let me know the date so I can start preparing for your farewell party!

danramos

2011-08-14 08:12

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Well, that's kinda lame--all the hilarious posts/replies about monster-p**** were deleted. Did somebody complain or something? Even the original note pointing out that whoistabco.com shared a PO BOX with that domain name. Seriously? Also makes me wonder what other communication has been quietly deleted forum-wide without notice.

vi_	2011-08-14 08:23

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1069560)

I would have been reported by abill, just mention pen0r and he goes into a frenzy.

danramos

2011-08-14 10:10

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1069562)

I would have been reported by abill, just mention pen0r and he goes into a frenzy.

What bothers me is not even getting so much as a note about it... which makes me wonder what else gets quietly deleted. This doesn't bode well. Just saying.

luca	2011-08-14 10:40

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1069610)

What bothers me is not even getting so much as a note about it... which makes me wonder what else gets quietly deleted. This doesn't bode well. Just saying.

It already happened to me once. I don't remember the thread or the message, but I do remember that it was not warranted (not that I think that it was warranted in this thread).
Like every other forum, this one is run arbitrarily (as is the right of the forum owner, btw, so I'm not complaining, when you enter a forum, any forum, you should know that).
If you want real and useful discussion to take place you should use mailing lists instead[*]. No forum administrator can delete messages from your mail account, and it's much more difficult for the same administrator to delete the same messages from third party archives.
[*] I would have said usenet, but sadly that's practically dead nowadays.

Dave999

2011-08-14 10:50

Re: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco

It's me. I delete some random posts from time to time. So please behave!