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ok its fine now.. because if its increased more, it would create problem with other verse translations. :)

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ok, see here in a couple of hours...

Edit: Here it is... :) both reset settings and add translation


IconTS.zip

http://dc244.4shared.com/img/DZdMlqu...ttingsBlue.png

http://dc244.4shared.com/img/emJEcyc...lationBlue.png


Edit2: Search Icon (magnify) remaked...looks better..
Magnify3Blue.svg

http://dc364.4shared.com/img/bma9Adk...gnify3Blue.png

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there will be different color themes (and maybe include background), but now sure about the background for default theme as it doesnt look good...and also @MSameer didnt liked the idea as it looked bad with this theme.. (p.s. this theme is blue and putting a caligraphic background is lots of problem, as original Quran has white or yellow backgrounds)

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Let's keep the reset settings in the menu. It's a rarely used feature and keeping it there prevents accidentally invoking it.

0.3.10 is out:
Moved the add translation button to the toolbar
Add a separator after each translation text
Reworked search icon
Moved Reset Settings to the menu

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Guys, I'll be going on vacation after 2 weeks which means I won't be able to work on the application for a while.

This also means that we have to pick one or two features and concentrate on implementing them.

Here's the list of TODOs we have currently: https://gitorious.org/quran/quran/blobs/master/TODO

I see that recitations is the most wanted feature but I'm asking everybody to go through the TODO list and post here the topmost features he feels like.

I'll then try to implement what I can given the time constrain I have before going on vacation.

Thanks all for the cooperation :)

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Ok, here are the features that I think need high priority in descending order:

1. Recitations
2. Night mode (White text on a black background)
3. Prevent display dimming
4. search feature to search in translations
5. Copy to the clipboard
6. Custom/multiple colors and background colors.
7. maybe add an option to read out loud the translation with espeak

I don't understand. What help do you need? I am ready to give help in any way that is possible for me.

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on my opinion these need high priority :

1. Recitations

2. Arabic vkb to the search page

3. Editable themes

4. Add scroll indicator

5. Copy to the clipboard

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As for me, (due to time constraint) this would come up:
1. Recitation
2. maybe add an option to read out loud the translation with espeak
3. Auto scroll mode. (not that important though)

I think a big feature with the releated features would be good to concentrate on.

I would like to make a request.. i.e about recitation ( 1. full surah recitation, 2. page recitation, 3.verse recitation,) p.s. same applies to translation recitation.

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ejasmudar i meant to say that you could help MSameer regarding theme ideas ,like you did in conversation customization ,so only if you could do so .Between its alright !

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@MSameer: can you change the fade-in animation with slide-in animation for : Index, Search, Settings, Manage Translation, Add Translation, Favorites, About and Back button (i.e Page with option ) as it may look (cheat) faster instead of fade-in.. :) Thanks..

P.s Slide-In animation is like pressing on Dialling Pad in Phone App.

Edit: Got one more bug...

The third line of the name of the translation is missing ... :(

http://dc336.4shared.com/img/fc5sYap...910-211153.png

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1. Recitation.

1d. repeat function: repeat each Ayah 'n' times; where the value of 'n' can be set by the user. (useful for memorization etc.)

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2. Fix the end of aya mark with the font. ?
3. theme the sura header.
4. Night mode
5. Prevent display dimming
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6. maybe add an option to read out loud the translation with espeak
7. search feature to search in translations
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.
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13. Use the new logo (new logo?! how does it look..)

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new logo...
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=202

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@laith.m.y What's "Add scroll indicator" ??

@TransTech I fixed the bug. Thanks for reposting.
I can make the fade in animation a bit faster if that's really in issue :)
I cannot take the new logo into use before I can give the creator credit in the about page. If you can handle that then please check with him.

@TransTech The recitation icon is not square :(
Could you please fix that ?
Could you also prepare an icon to "Add recitation" ? It will be used to show the page that has the instructions on how to download and install a recitation.


Since recitations is the most wanted feature so far, I already started implementing it. I just need to clarify a few points:
1) No recitations will be downloaded from the application itself. The file is large and I have to resume the download when the app gets restarted and/or the phone gets disconnected... That will be hard to get right.

2) Recitations are simply installed by downloading them from http://zekr.org/resources.html#recitation and copying the extracted files to a specific folder (I'll give the details later). The application will then detect the new folder and present the new recitation.

3) There will be no recitations for translations. Make your own recitation (I'll give full details later) and copy the mp3 files also to a folder and it will be played by the application.

4) I guess I will not implement reading the translations with espeak. Someone (ejasmudar ? ;)) can write a simple application that extracts the translation text and uses espeak to generate mp3 files and install them as you do with custom recitations. I will provide all the help needed to whoever decides to write such an application but I'm really sorry guys. I cannot do it. Not enough time.
I can also provide a C++ or python class to read the text of a translation.

5) I am planning to implement reading of a single aya, a full sura and a full page. Repeating an aya can also be done.

We just need to think how the UI will behave.

Playing a single aya can be done by long pressing on an aya (Just like adding and removing bookmarks).
Playing a single sura can be done via a speaker icon in the sura header.

Where should we put an icon for playing a page ?
Where should we put an icon for repeating an aya ?
What will happen if you are playing a recitation and then you switch the page ?
I want to put an icon to stop the recitation. Where should that be ?

I'm also thinking about an idea: holding the phone upside down for a second (Display towards the floor) should stop the recitation. What do you guys think ?

What does everybody think about that ?

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i'm unable to change the font size...any fixes for this? and yes, I have the latest CSSU update.

Re: [Announce] Holy Quran for N900
 

What's the problem exactly ? Please update to the latest (0.3.10-1) and try again.

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ohh perfect!...just updated! thanks :D

all it needs now is audio :o

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Glad it worked for you.

I started working on audio already. Please read the above post and share your opinion.

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ok I like the new icon for Holy Quran posted by transtech...also what you can do is move the T (translation) icon and just add it in settings ....and put audio icon where the T originally was.

Holding the phone facing the floor? Qur'anic verses facing the floor...naaahh I don't think that's such a good idea :p mmm how about pressing the audio button again to stop it?

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Excellent ideas, its only facing the floor not actually touching so don't understand why that's not a good idea!

If people what to go down that route then the mobile phone contains the Qur'an do we hold the phone in state of Wudu?

Love your ideas man!

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that's just my opinion...I wouldn't face verses of the Qur'an towards the floor. Anyways it's his app, and what majority wants will end up happening.

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I too also expressed an opinion!

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Thank you! This system makes more sense. Maybe you can give instructions to download the recitations in the program itself?


Yes I can help, albiet with my rather primitive knowledge of python and shell scripting. The way I see it, we can go about this two ways.
1. A script can be made that generates mp3 files from translation using espeak in the appropriate format and places it in the correct folder.
ADV: somebody can make this and upload it online so that others can download and use it just like recitations
DISADV: If you have multiple translations, then mp3s for full quran for multiple translations is not very practical, IMO

2. Espeak should be run on-the-fly along with the application. I don't know how to go about this. I mean, should the user run the application and the script together? Or, I could make a script that takes as parameters the surah no, ayah no, and translation name, and the script can use espeak to generate the speech from the translation database. This script can then be integrated into this app itself.



Hmm, can we have a completely independent recitation dock/bar? This can usually be hidden, and it appears at the top when the user clicks an extra icon at the bottom dock? This way only one extra icon is required in the bottom dock.
The top dock can have icons for page/ayah/surah recitations, recitation type, stop recitation, etc etc.


i am a 100% liking the upside-down-silent idea. Just like the phone's ring tone.

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Fade-in: yes i want the fade-in animation a bit more faster (i.e quick but with animation), but slide-in will also look good.. what you say? :)

The app icon is made by me, and its been formed into harmattan style by @Cloud596, i'll ask Cloud596 (if he has come back from vacation) to send you a pm about the name and email to be credited into the app's about page.. :)
Edit: I have sent a PM to @Cloud596 for this matter, he will contact you regarding this..:)
Edit2: See PM.. Its done!!!

Recitation Icon: Sorry for the recitation icon, it was my mistake. :(.. i have recreated the icon and also attached the Add Recitation icon.. here is the link.. :)
RecitationRemake.rar

Recitation Download:
1. Your idea of downloading the recitation (from outside of the app) is good, but i think a wiki page must be made and a link of it must be present on the first post to make the users download the recitations, I also prefer a download link of different recitations must be present in the apps recitation page which when pressed opens browser to download (by this way if the user is downloading it from he mobile itself will have an opportunity to pause and download later. )

2. that website is just perfect.. just waiting for the new update to check it.. :)

3. No problem for me with this one, as i already have the recitation of translation and tafsir i wanted.. :) (Urdu language)

4. Generating the mp3s with espeak with create robotic sound i think.. but now sure i didnt experianced with other languages..

5. A. Playing a ayat with long press.. (where will the bookmarks go and what happens to tanslations),.. i think a single tap on ayat should display a floating dock below it to select recitation, or translation. Long press can be reserved for bookmarks. whereas repeatation of an ayat can be implemented by longpressing the recitation on floating dockbar.. (p.s. floating dockbar closes after selecting any of the two(three with repeat) function

5. B. Pressing on the speaker icon on the surah heading reads full surah which can be stopped by repressing the same button (which now turns to stop button) /or longpress anywhere on the screen to stop it. (same can be done while repeat function is on).

5. C. Playing full page recitation: this can be done only with the help of 'F'unction Menu icon on dock containing "Change Translation" and "Change recitation & Recite Page". And to stop recitation long press anywhere on the screen.

5. D. See 5. A. and 5. B.

5. E. Switching the page when Recitation is going on: The recitation should stop in case of full page recitation and ayat recitation and repeat recitation. and should continue while full surah recitation.

5. F. Hold phone upside down towards floor to stop: The alternative method is shown in the points. 5. A., B., And C., BTW this method is little confusing to most of the users while recitation is on, (p.s I liked the idea, but its not practical in this app when used only for recitation).

p.s. I'll try to show you mock-ups regarding the point 5(A,B,C), if I get some free time.. ;) [See Below]

Thanks :)

Edit: Mock-ups :)

Recite Page Function in 'F'unction menu:
http://dc339.4shared.com/img/7io80_N...ecite_Page.png

Full Surah recitation and toggle stop button preview mock-up:
http://dc339.4shared.com/img/eRFNlWs...Recitation.png

Floating Translation and Recitation Dockbar, shown when tapped on an ayat. (contains 3 functions > |Translation | Recitation and Repeat Translation | )
http://dc339.4shared.com/img/iQXIQOb...ng_Dockbar.png

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2 large posts... I'll reply to ejasmudar and TransTech in one post!

I'll check the icons and report back. Thanks TransTech.

Installation:
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Full instructions will be available in the application itself.
I already managed to get the app to recite :D

The app will support 2 formats:
1) The .recit.zip used by Zekr.
2) A custom one: Just put the mp3s in a folder and create a simple file to tell the app about it.

I really wouldn't want the user to download the recitations on the phone. Extracting the zip fill will take a LONG time. I tried it myself.

I'll anyway link to the download page and the browser will be invoked.

Espeak issue:
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I really prefer a separate application. A class that looks like this:
<code>
class Translation:
def listAvailable():
"""Returna a list of available translations"""
pass

def chapterText(translationId, chapter):
"""returns a list of text strings for the given chapter and translation"""
pass
</code>

An application can do something like:
<code>
translations = Translation.listAvailable()
for t in translations:
for x in range(1, 114):
text = Translation.chapterText(t, x)
for r in text:
# invoke espeak with the textual data
# Save the output wav
# encode it in mp3
# save the file somewhere
</code>

I can optionally add wav support to the custom format which eliminates the encoding part.

Generating the mp3 files from the quran application itself on the fly might slow down the recitation.
We can always generate the next aya while reading the previous but think about the battery life.

Fade in effect:
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I'll try to implement slide in and/or faster fade in effect and show you the result. It will take some time though.

App Icon:
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I thought he's the one who created it completely. I now realize I was mistaken. I really like the harmattan style and thinking about using it for both N900 and N9 :D

Navigation:
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The separate toolbar sounds like a nice idea but it will also consume space especially in landscape mode :|
We can always double the height of the upper part and add an icon there.

5.A:
Tapping on the Aya has been reserved already for showing translations in hidden mode.
We can however modify. Tapping on an aya will show the hidden translation but will also show a small bar with icons.
That bar will contain an icon for:
1) Playing the recitation for the aya
2) Bookmarking/unbookmarking.
3) Repat the aya until you stop it.
4) Play the ayat from that position until the end of the page
5) Play until the end of the sura.
That new bar will also show up if you long tap (Instead of the menu).

5.B:
long tap has a function. I don't really want to overload it (See 5.C)

5.C:
We can add the stop button to the new functions menu.

How about we add those functions to the application menu ?
I can try to add a bottom row to the menu. That button row simply replaces the functions menu you are proposing ?

5.E:
The page will scroll when doing sura/page recitation. If you switch the page then the recitation will stop because it cannot show the aya being played.

5.F:
Holding upside down or simply tapping an icon in the functions menu.

One of the issues I'm facing is placing the sura recitation icon. The font size and the contents of the header are not fixed. At the same time I don't want it to cover part of the sura name.

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Fade in effect:
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I would love to see any of the both, but all I want is a faster Interface..:)

App Icon:
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I think both of us should be equally credited as I made the icon and he cropped it into harmattan style... :)
off Topic: Will this app be coming to symbian Anna/Belle as one of my relative asking for his Nokia E7... :) (he really loved its unique features)

Navigation:
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Umm.. yes it consumes a lot of space... and I think its not feasible..
5.A. How about a floating Ribbon toolbar which comes up when short tapped on a verse showing options for bookmark translation and recitation, this dockbar changes to specific options dockbar like when pressed recitation shows all the options of recitation like you said (5.A. 1-5 ), however the long press set for stopping the recitation of any kind...

5.C. SEE 5.A. Long press... :)

Adding functions to main menu will just make it too long and disturbing... :(
What is a bottom row?

5.E. Thats great.. [auto scroll during recitation]

5.F. Move surah recitation to "F" Menu button..

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Unfortunately I am not planning to port it to symbian. I have zero experience with symbian development.

However, the code is mainly Qt/QML. It should be very easy to get it to work on symbian for anybody.

Maybe he should buy an N9 ? You will love our work :D

5A: If you have translation mode enabled or disabled then the toolbar should appear when you short tap.
If you have translations hidden then the translation will show up AND the toolbar will appear.

We can put there an icon for bookmarking/unbookmarking, playing. repeating. play until the end of sura. play until the end of page. Maybe oneday we can add a 6th icon for anything.

If recitation is not enabled then only bookmarking/unbookmarking will be available.

perhaps long tapping should also stop recitation. I'd like also to add a dedicated stop somewhere.

Sura recitation to the F menu ? I'm trying not to add another menu :)

I'm attaching a screenshot of the menu showing what I meant. The bottom row can be used for icons ;)

EDIT: New icons are fine. Thanks :)

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some humble suggestions
1-if you could place the settings/search/about/quit ( dock option in dockbar ) in the middle ( by replacing T option) rather than on the right corner,would be great ,u know some times it is hard to get the options on single press.So if you could ,would be nice .
2-i loved the idea you working on ..5A must have this 5C function.
3-up side down is a great idea ,please implement it .
4-5A,B,C can be shown along an aaya in a vertical manner
5-long tap on aaya is already there ( add to favorite ) so its okey there .
6-every thing must be kept optional in sense of listening or reading it.
7-themes areas need to be better,new themes can be added,
8-More options for customization e.g the background can have a real quran pages like feel ( will look beautiful ) .FOR EXAMPLE : white background ( optional to change )+ black font color for quranic verses ( optional to change ) + brown font color for translations (optional to change ) .So that we probably can have a different look of QURAN every time we want .
9-application must scroll faster ,shouldnt affected by mp3 data files in any way.
10-your work speaks itself .thanks hundered of thousands times !

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how about F button for functions ribbon dockbar... containing T, R and bookmark buttons.. and in future we can change the main menu into dock bar containing all icons.. no text..
alternately single tap must select an ayat and can display ribbon dockbar at the bottom...

off topic: he got e7 last month :( .. btw qt apps should run fine on Anna i believe.. anyway leave it i really dont like symbian.. i will tell him other apps will come for symbian... this one is for maemo/meego

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Well, I've never done any symbian work before. Most of the app is Qt but manipulating the translations and quran text files and searching are not done via Qt.

The code is public. Anyone can take it and do what he wants with it (port it to symbian or desktop or even android ;)). I just don't have any symbian experience.

I tried adding a bar woth icons under each aya and boy the UI became cluttered. Really messy. I don't know what to do now :|

Problem is there isn't enough space in the aya menu because I'm showing the full aya text there.

I guess I'll have to stop coding and think for a while.

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1) Which one is used more frequently ? T or settings ? If you have problems tapping the menu icon then we shouldn't move an important item such as T there (I guess).
6) Yes everything is optional as you can see. We are however limited by the small screen size.
7) Custom themes will be implemented. Let's just finish the most requested features first :)
8) Custom colors will be implemented too.
I can add an option for a background but the default will be white.
9) I don't understand that part ?

10) Thanks but it's also the work of everybody who commented here either suggestions, criticism, ideas, tips, contributions, encouragement, ... Thanks all for helping :)

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the bar must be floating on the ayat selected this will solve the clutter problem... btw the problem of transations icon can be solved by removing disable translation function... this can be replaced with hidden function as default... and the T icon on that bar will be permanent irrespective of enable or hidden.. what do you think..

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It actually looks fine with a white background :)

However, we can't add a lot of icons there otherwise it might interfere with the navbar.

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if you put the icons to the left , it will be better :)

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True but it might interfere with the left navigation bar.

EDIT: Guess I will left align it and wait for you guys to complain :D

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translations T ( to me ) isnt used most frequently but yeah the menu options are the one which are used more frequently so thats why i suggested it to be in the center rather than on right corner..And if you dont intend to do so ,its all fine .
part 9- i meant to say that app should nt be slowed down due to any reason,such as mp3 data files ,for example ,scrolling the page should be as faster as it can .
rest is all good .
one more suggestion : rather having loads of different icons
on the page for every aaya, you may add one bar to left in vertical manner ,which contains the options to customize,for audio and etc .

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Hmm, I have tried using espeak with Fathiha and the last 3 ayahs of al-Bakarah. The results aren't really good. Too robotic.

Maybe we have to scratch that idea.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11631697/fathiha.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11631697/bakarah.mp3

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@MSameer: there should be T button also under the ayat and that bar must be hidden always so that it saves space and it should appear only upon single tap, and the translations should appear when the T button is tapped, rather then showing all the time, btw having two buttons T and R we can have one 'F'unction button which would have ribbon interface or icon interface... (p.s. long press is assigned to stop anykind of recitations)

for T button problem when translations are disabled, just replace it with hidden as default, as disable function is useless when we have hidden function to do the same thing.. :)

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i said before...ROBOTIC..... lolzz ;)

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May be we can bring back the swipe function now..
swipe sideways (horizontal) to display the floating dock.

or as in the recent post, if dedicated 'star' & 'R' button will be provided for each ayah, we can invoke it by a horizontal swipe.

I don't know if its feasible.. Swipe on a particular ayah to show the star(favourite) & recitation icon for that ayah alone.

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another suggestion: remove the arrow images from 'page navigation' bar on sides & make it visible always (with the current level of opacity)

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The bar is hidden and it gets shown when an aya gets tapped.
I guess a T button could also be added to toggle the translation too.

I really really don't want the F button. There's still a place for a stop icon.

We can also add the stop button to the select recitation dialog ;)

What remains is play page/play sura. Need to find a place for them.

I also agree that the disabled translation mode is kind of useless with the new T button being added to the aya bar. Perhaps we should have 2 options now: Enabled and hidden.