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mankir 2012-09-04 12:36

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
There is no way for me to close the settings! Also the standby-screen tells 1. Jan. 1970! What happened to the swype-to-taskswitcher function? WLan still buggy...

fw190 2012-09-04 13:54

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
It never was. You have to swype it and then close it when it is minimalized.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-09-04 14:14

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
I don't have bluetooth. Also, I cannot change between the 2 available themes nor can I change the wallpaper.

Lastly, I'm guessing Nemo/Meego CE are not gpu-powered, right? Will they use gpu acceleration in the future? I hope so. It's the only way to become "usable".

w00t 2012-09-04 14:17

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1260582)
IMO, the launcher-open apps button switcher is too awkward. It uses too much space, and should instead work either like

a. GNOME3/Fremantle multiple layers
b. Harmattan swipable screens

Please note that b) is already implemented, but there are concepts to have more screens than just a launcher and switcher. What you see now is on an early stage.

Also note that if you really don't like the UI, you can easily write one from scratch yourself and show you can do a better job, see for instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeTOXaJiHTY

w00t 2012-09-04 14:20

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1260927)
I don't have bluetooth.

What hardware? Though I think this is a known problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1260927)
Also, I cannot change between the 2 available themes nor can I change the wallpaper.

You can more or less forget theme switching without a reboot. The applet in the CP should really go away, I guess, or make sure it does a reboot.

(please file bugs if they don't exist already, fwiw, otherwise they won't get noticed)

The wallpaper issue is already tracked as https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1260927)
Lastly, I'm guessing Nemo/Meego CE are not gpu-powered, right? Will they use gpu acceleration in the future? I hope so. It's the only way to become "usable".

Nemo Mobile is the correct name, MeeGo CE died a fair while ago.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes they are: they won't work without GPU acceleration. I'm guessing you're asking this because you're seeing something that appears slow, so can I ask you to file a bug, including what hardware you're running on, a description of what you can do to reproduce, and also take a look in 'top' and see if anything looks out of place - and include info in the bug.

Thanks!

HELLASISGREECE 2012-09-04 14:27

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Thanks for the reply!

yes, I know those "problems" have been mentioned. I am not complaining or anything. : )

Yes, I know Meego CE's last update was the fall 2011. It's Nemo OS now.

Really? It uses the gpu? I thought it didn't because of ,you know, some struggles here and there. "Top" gives normal readings.

Of course I'm not the expert here.

If you say Nemo is gpu-accelerated, I believe you.

*As for the bluetooth, it says "bluetooth adapter not found" iirc.
It has already been filed as bug afaik.

thanks again.

I am very curious to see how Nemo progresses on the N900 : )

*I miss the old homescreen tbh. I hope it returns in the future (though it seems unlikely (?) as Meego clearly "dislikes" homescreens) : p

HELLASISGREECE 2012-09-04 14:33

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Ops I forgot!

Does "double tap to unlock" works for you guys? For me sometimes yes, sometimes no.

w00t 2012-09-04 14:40

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1260937)
yes, I know those "problems" have been mentioned. I am not complaining or anything. : )

I didn't accuse you of such, I'm just trying to say, please make sure they're tracked so we know about them and can fix them :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1260937)
Really? It uses the gpu? I thought it didn't because of ,you know, some struggles here and there. "Top" gives normal readings.

Which hardware, and which applications/situations? There's definitely work we can do in a lot of places to optimise things further, the priority so far has mostly been in getting things functional, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1260937)
I miss the old homescreen tbh. I hope it returns in the future (though it seems unlikely (?) as Meego clearly "dislikes" homescreens) : p

It would be easy to recreate it using the infrastructure we have now. :)

w00t 2012-09-04 14:40

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1260940)
Does "double tap to unlock" works for you guys? For me sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Hardware-dependent. Seems to be fine on my N950 at least..

HELLASISGREECE 2012-09-04 14:46

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1260945)
I didn't accuse you of such, I'm just trying to say, please make sure they're tracked so we know about them and can fix them :-)

Of course you didn't. Never felt like that.
I just wanted to state it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1260945)
Which hardware, and which applications/situations? There's definitely work we can do in a lot of places to optimise things further, the priority so far has mostly been in getting things functional, though.

when you say hardware, you're talking about the N900's revision , right? Mine is 2101.
I have installed Nemo in eMMC btw.

By saying it's behaving slow in some situations... it varies. I mean it's totally understadable. Noone said Nemo is ready for everyday use.

Sometimes, it will struggle to open an application, or even worse freeze. SOmetimes double tap to unlock won't work etc


Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1260945)
It would be easy to recreate it using the infrastructure we have now. :)

Yes, why not. Allthough I bet my *** those things have been already recreated and filled from other users.

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1260947)
Hardware-dependent. Seems to be fine on my N950 at least..

It's mainly because of the N950's capacitive screen , right?

Stskeeps 2012-09-04 15:26

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1260956)
when you say hardware, you're talking about the N900's revision , right? Mine is 2101.
I have installed Nemo in eMMC btw.

By saying it's behaving slow in some situations... it varies. I mean it's totally understadable. Noone said Nemo is ready for everyday use.

FWIW, those of us who are in Nemo don't test with eMMC installs. We use class 6+ microSDs. eMMC may actually perform worse.

karthik.cak 2012-09-04 18:01

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
HI,
After installing Nemo in my mobile i am able to see only 4.9 GB of free space when i connect my N9 to my desktop in mass storage mode. Is this because of installing nemo??

w00t 2012-09-04 18:23

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karthik.cak (Post 1261106)
HI,
After installing Nemo in my mobile i am able to see only 4.9 GB of free space when i connect my N9 to my desktop in mass storage mode. Is this because of installing nemo??

If you're dual booting, then probably.

w00t 2012-09-04 18:23

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1260994)
eMMC may actually perform worse.

Then again, it might not -- it'd be interesting to see some side by side comparisons :)

freemangordon 2012-09-04 18:39

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1261126)
Then again, it might not -- it'd be interesting to see some side by side comparisons :)

Well, IIRC there was a bug report filed(including side-by-side comparisons) against kernel in the good old days when this was still called Meego-CE. The bug is causing eMMC to perform much worse than under Maemo5. Might be it is still not fixed ;)

EDIT:

https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18295

neomarky 2012-09-05 03:20

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
help..!
i cant install pali's uboot.. it said "unable to install uboot tools incompatible application package.."
am i missing something..? Tia..

HELLASISGREECE 2012-09-05 13:31

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neomarky (Post 1261332)
help..!
i cant install pali's uboot.. it said "unable to install uboot tools incompatible application package.."
am i missing something..? Tia..

I came across similar difficulties trying to install Nemo on the sd card.
I decided to put it on eMMC.

from what I read... I made a bad decision. Anyway, here's hoping it will improve on upcoming releases : )

kibet85 2012-09-05 13:45

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
hi guys....m stuck ....wen trying to install ths on the n9...i run the the extraction..which in my case is "/Desktop/nemo# sudo tar --numeric-owner -xf nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120816.1.NEMO.2012-08-31.1.tar.bz2 -C /media/Alt_OS/
"...my nemo image is in tht nemo folder which is on the desktop........i am running ubuntu ...when i xtract to the alt os drive,.,,should i see it fill with files..m using ths tutorial....http://mynokiablog.com/2012/03/22/wo...tdroid-how-to/.......

seanmcken 2012-09-17 09:13

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
i saw the video on youtube the graphics is fckin awsome on n900. now we can access MyDocs???

kibet85 2012-09-17 09:58

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
finally managed to install n boot it...awesome..

karthik.cak 2012-09-17 10:01

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Hi All,
Please explain me the uninstalling of Nemo from my N9. I have dual booted my N9 using the guide at mynokiablog.com
I have read the wiki page. it seems to a bit confusing.
Please help me!

Regards
Karthik

thedead1440 2012-09-17 11:56

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Just re-parition your N9 to stock partitions and nemo will disappear...Oh and you'll have to do a full flash to get back to stock kernel and normal mode from open mode...

karthik.cak 2012-09-17 19:31

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1267899)
Just re-parition your N9 to stock partitions and nemo will disappear...Oh and you'll have to do a full flash to get back to stock kernel and normal mode from open mode...

Thanks for the reply. Can u guide me in repartitioning. Im ok with the flashing part. But confused with the repartitioning.

lipstickshadeN900 2012-09-26 01:33

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1260928)
Please note that b) is already implemented, but there are concepts to have more screens than just a launcher and switcher. What you see now is on an early stage.

Also note that if you really don't like the UI, you can easily write one from scratch yourself and show you can do a better job, see for instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeTOXaJiHTY

hi just seen this video on YouTube nemo mobile just looks so beautiful!! just wondering if you were going to implement this lipstick desktop design as a theme maybe for the N900 nemo? would be amazing and breath new life into the current desktop

it's looking fantastic on N900 and N950 can't wait till its stable to install on my N900 :D

keep up the great work

ps are you guys on facebook i can't find you!

shmerl 2012-09-28 05:27

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
FYI: Dedicated subforum for Nemo mobile on OpenTablets:

http://opentablets.org/forum/42-nemo/

See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...04#post1273204

w00t 2012-10-01 09:39

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lipstickshadeN900 (Post 1272282)
hi just seen this video on YouTube nemo mobile just looks so beautiful!! just wondering if you were going to implement this lipstick desktop design as a theme maybe for the N900 nemo? would be amazing and breath new life into the current desktop

I don't think that would be a great idea. We're going our own way, design-wise, and that seems to be working pretty well for us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lipstickshadeN900 (Post 1272282)
ps are you guys on facebook i can't find you!

I don't think so, no

w00t 2012-10-01 09:43

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Small update of some recent work:

We now have the ability to filter the contact list, thanks to niqt:

http://qtl.me/20121001-122720-rot.png

The contact card also got a bit of an overhaul.

http://qtl.me/20121001-122906-rot.png

Instead of the 193571 buttons (multiplying exponentially the more you add to a contact), there's just a few. If you tap the call button, for instance, if you have multiple numbers, it'll ask you which one to use.

I wouldn't call it final, but it's a lot nicer than it was :)

Messaging/SMS integration now works too (meaning if you tap SMS/message, it'll switch to Messaging and actually do things!) - thanks to special.

nodevel 2012-10-04 10:16

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1274711)
Instead of the 193571 buttons (multiplying exponentially the more you add to a contact), there's just a few. If you tap the call button, for instance, if you have multiple numbers, it'll ask you which one to use.

I wouldn't call it final, but it's a lot nicer than it was :)

Messaging/SMS integration now works too (meaning if you tap SMS/message, it'll switch to Messaging and actually do things!) - thanks to special.

Thanks for your work!
While it is a nice idea to simplify, what if I need to read a contact's number to someone (while there's just one, so nothing will pop up when I try to call), copy it to an e-mail, compare two numbers etc.?

don_falcone 2012-10-04 10:57

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Yeah, compare things (and what i sorely miss on Maemo) duplicating a contact...

w00t 2012-10-05 10:50

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1276190)
While it is a nice idea to simplify, what if I need to read a contact's number to someone

Good points certainly. I wouldn't call that design final, it certainly needs more love. It's just a lot more functional (and less ugly) than the old one :)

w00t 2012-10-05 10:54

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Latest activities from my perspective...
  • Fixing numerous bugs in SectionScroller - the fast scroll thing on e.g. contacts - (so it doesn't get stuck on screen, so it follows your finger, and some nicer animation on it)
  • Making Helium (the web browser) smaller in terms of size by removing some unused junk, and making it start up faster (from around 6 seconds down to around 2.8s for me)
  • Testing an X server upgrade which removes numerous flicker/visual glitch bugs
  • The start of integrating notifications to lipstick (the new homescreen) - work ongoing
  • The start of a mail client: qmlmail. Needs QMF update from Mer before it can be integrated, and won't yet have an accounts UI, but it's a start :)
  • The N9 kernel update project

... probably lots more I'm missing

Hurrian 2012-10-05 11:07

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1276765)
  • Fixing numerous bugs in SectionScroller - the fast scroll thing on e.g. contacts - (so it doesn't get stuck on screen, so it follows your finger, and some nicer animation on it)
  • Making Helium (the web browser) smaller in terms of size by removing some unused junk, and making it start up faster (from around 6 seconds down to around 2.8s for me)
  • Testing an X server upgrade which removes numerous flicker/visual glitch bugs

Holy crap, these changes I'm eager to get.

By the way, is it by design that I can't swipe an app's splash image away? Helium and AppsforMeego are the two worst offenders here with obscene startup times (both apps are snappy once completely loaded, though)

On Harmattan, you can swipe away an app's splash/placeholder image.

w00t 2012-10-05 11:11

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1276775)
By the way, is it by design that I can't swipe an app's splash image away?

Nope: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230

But speaking of gestures, you remind me that gestures will soon (hopefully!) animate as your finger moves. The animation won't start once you take your finger off the screen like it does now :)

w00t 2012-10-05 12:03

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Ah, there's also some more I missed:
  • Messages now shows the name/avatar of the contact in the conversation list
  • Use of themedaemon in qt-components (provides somewhat drastic speedup to application launches, a few hundred ms)
  • Work on an upgrade to Qt 4.8.3, fixes numerous bugs (obviously) and also speeds up application launching by ~20ms
  • Work on integrating a patch I landed to 4.8.4, which provides a further 10-20ms speedup to QML application launching

pierrem 2012-10-05 12:52

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
I've just installed Nemo for N900 (2012.08.31 image) and it seems there is no way to add a wifi hidden network.
When I select "hidden network" in the list of detected access points, I fill the three fields (name, passphrase and ssid), then click "done", but after refreshing the access point list, my network does not appear.
Does any body experience the same issue ?

w00t 2012-10-05 13:09

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pierrem (Post 1276817)
I've just installed Nemo for N900 (2012.08.31 image) and it seems there is no way to add a wifi hidden network.
When I select "hidden network" in the list of detected access points, I fill the three fields (name, passphrase and ssid), then click "done", but after refreshing the access point list, my network does not appear.
Does any body experience the same issue ?

Can you please file this as a bug on https://bugs.nemomobile.org?

pierrem 2012-10-05 13:34

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1276823)
Can you please file this as a bug on https://bugs.nemomobile.org?

I checked nemo bugzilla before posting here: it seemed unlikely that nobody except me experienced this problem. Since I did not see any bug report, I was pretty sure that I missed a configuration option somewhere. That's why I came here to ask.

but sure... when my subscription email from mer project is dropped in my inbox, I will file a bug.[EDIT: DONE]

w00t 2012-10-05 13:39

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pierrem (Post 1276830)
I checked nemo bugzilla before posting here: it seemed unlikely that nobody except me experienced this problem.

Speaking from personal experience, I don't think we have many contributors with hidden wifi, so it's certainly possible to slip past

peterleinchen 2012-10-06 20:01

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1233301)
Bluetooth not.
WiFi maybe but definitely only for visible networks.
Calls outgoing not at all, incoming were one time detected (phone riniging), but could not answer. Other time not detected at all (on caller side was ringing normally).
file manger do not know

Slipped through ;)
But was not filed as bug, just as feedback.

w00t 2012-10-09 09:50

Re: Nemo mobile discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1276775)
Holy crap, these changes I'm eager to get.

A new version of Helium has been released, and should be a bit faster. Give it a shot.

In other news, here's some screenshots of the current early state of Mail:

http://qtl.me/qmlmail-accounts.png

http://qtl.me/qmlmail-inbox.png


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