Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hey adityamhatre, I appreciate your effort but there's another 2 months to collect entries yet. You're a bit early setting up your voting lol :)

I think this was a bit of fun for adityamhatre. So there's no confusion we still aim to have our official competition voting via the same mechanism as last time, which is similar to the Maemo Council elections.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

How's the app called Saera progressing, is it a good chance? (username: taixzo)
Sorry I'm not up-to-speed on how it's all supposed to be unfolding.
Would anyone be so kind as to briefly summarise?

TIA.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hi jalyst, all we at the competition know about the progress of competiton entries is what the developer puts on the participants table on the wiki page - at the moment taixzo has Saera listed as 3% completed. But it's probably moved on since that table was updated.

The best thing to do would be to reach out to taixzo directly, or leave a message on the official Saera thread asking for an update. Then you'll have the most up to date info from the best source :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I added my entry to the list (I did it wrong and had to make several revisions till I got it right, so if you missed all the entries for a moment it's my fault)

The application is called ρcam and it going to do just that. Capture raw images. Initially this will be for harmattan as there are a lot of good camera options for fremantle. I hope this task completes quickly so more features can be baked in before the end of the competition.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Welcome aboard qwazix :)

We're at the one month stage, a third of the way in, and we have 45 applications registered as taking part so far :cool:

Here's the breakdown per category:

Desktop, System, and Utilities: 11
Games, Graphics, and Multimedia: 15
Location & Navigation; 1 (thanks felipe!)
Network & Communications; 7
Other: 4
Updates: 6
TBD: 1

As you can see, 'Location & Navigation' is still proving to be not so popular as the other categories. I did say a couple of weeks ago that if it remained unpopular that today I'd split 'Games' and join "Location" with "Graphics, and Multimedia". I still think this is the best course of action, although it's not a great idea to change things while the competition is running it would be still better to do it now than wait. Unless someone is really upset with the idea, I think it's what we'll do :)

By making 'Games' a seperate category, and moving the non-game applications (after a quick initial look at the descriptions I'm thinking RecZoom, MaeLyrica, 3d-inator, and pcam) to join GeePS2 in the new category we'd have:

Games: 10
Location, Graphics, and Multimedia: 5

Which looks much healthier for the competition and I think it works out well for everyone. Our hope is we'll end up with atleast 6 in each category at the end of the competition to help voting and get prizes easily assigned to folks.

We also have 18 beginner applications registered so far which is very cool :cool:

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rcolistete, something has happened with the table where you have ended up with two entries, but one looks incomplete. There is a:

rcolistete (Roberto Colistete Jr.) Calculus (calculates limits, derivatives and integrals) for MeeGo Harmattan Other 70% N
and a:
rcolistete (Roberto Colistete Jr.) Other 70% N
Can you confirm for me if you should have two entrries? If so we'll need to fix the second one as it's missing an application name, else I'll remove it as a duplicate.

Thanks all for your continued support :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Somebody made an edit error. I've fixed it, thanks.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I don't have any problems with reorganizing the "Location & Navigation" category but, at the same time, I really don't want us to start any "drama" by changing the rules.

I can't quite make up my mind if I think that is better to reorganize the categories now that we only have my entry or wait until the end so we can get all on board.

I am tempted to suggest waiting. In fact, I would suggest that instead of the reorganization we actually consider reallocating devices based on the number of entries. Any categories with less than 8 entries would only get # of entries/2 devices. Any "unused" devices would be reallocated to the categories with the most entries.

Just my 2ct

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Thanks fcrochik. Hmm .. yeah I can see what you're saying, but i can also see that opening a can of worms.. with people suggesting some categories are more deserving than others, and that categories with fewer entries should maybe get more devices (those types of applications could be less represented in the community and that work maybe valued more). Hmm..

From the organising point of view, hoping to get away with the quick category change as 2 seconds updates the wiki rather than another week or more re-discussing the categories and device split etc.

In terms of drama by changing the rules, hopefully people come into the competition understanding that things can and most likely will change as we go along. The community is changing around us, sometimes we have to adapt to that. There's also a sneaky "(NB: The final details are still being ironed out, so the below is subject to change. Keep watching this space!)" in the competition wiki to cover changes :p The fact is it won't be the first or probably not the last change as we go through, but we try to keep them at a minimum :o

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

kojacker i think its ok to change things as you go along...maybe wait for all entries to be received then get a consensus from all the developers on changing the allocation of devices...the difference between what is happening now and what you are worried of is that you are open and transparent with everyone and there are a number of people giving their feedback here...

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Thanks thedead. You mention changing the device allocation, I really don't want to have to change the allocation of devices. If that was to happen we'd have to bring the entire question of categories and device split back to day 0 discussions again. But ofcourse if that was to happen we'd need the consensus of the developers, you are quite correct about that :)

My proposal was to shift some applications (Multimedia and Graphics applications) from the Games category and join them with the Location category, but I want to keep the device allocation for each of the main categories the same.

It's hard for me to get a feel of things, so looking at replies and thanks I'm feeling that most people so far (fcrochik, ljo, thedead1440, don.edri) would prefer waiting until all entries are received before discussing and coming up with a solution. A number of people have read but not commented, so I take that as neutral. At the end of the day we run this competition for you guys out there, so if that's what the maemo.org community wants then I guess that's what we'll do :) I can see major headaches ahead though :o

For a start, the language in the wiki will need to be toned down right away from "Our categories are..." to something like "final categories for judging will be confirmed once all entries are submitted". Same again for the device allocation, "will be decided once all entries are submitted." We'll be dismantling a lot of the competition structure we've built up over the past month :(

I really think it's just so much simpler to move Multimedia and Graphics applications to the Location category and be done.. bah! :o
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Reminder for myself: reach out to Felipe about his prize donation..(Edit: PM sent)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Regarding few entries in the Location and Navigation category - I think it can be caused by most of the navigation apps being quite mature and joining in the Updates category ?

Well, at least I'll be definately joining Updates with modRana (and Mieru). :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I think so too. There doesn't seem to be much new development happening in this area, mainly improvements and ongoing updates to existing applications. Folks seem happy enough with what is already out there, there's some excellent location and navigation applications already so I don't blame them :) Speaking of which...

I thought you might :) Welcome welcome!

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

This is a competition and strategy is inherent part of it. I'd say if categories are to be changed, change them now if felipe is ok with that and everyone will be happy. If some people tomorrow enter in the L&C category with high hopes and with the increased incentive of less competition (which will be justified as those applications have a certain level of difficulty) they won't be so happy to forfeit their chances.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

After reading the posts I am with kojacker and qwazix. It is probably a good idea to get over with it and just reorganize the categories now. At least, at this point nobody can complain for getting lower chances to win... a lot will get better chances with this change. :)

Felipe

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I would like to enter Saera in the competition - where do I do that? The wiki page is somewhat unclear on the subject.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Thanks all for the feedback on the category change - keep it coming, mulling everything over in my head.. :)

Didn't you add it already taixzo? It's 14th on the list of participants in the wiki lol :) Nearer the closing date there'll be a proper entry mechanism, in the meantime the wiki is the place to register. So you're all good :cool:

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Ok, I did put it there but wasn't sure whether that was "official". Thanks.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Now we have two apps in 'Location & Navigation' category, but 'meeTfL' was already released in march 2012, so it is not eligible here. If this is just an update he should move it to 'update' category.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Well spotted swinkels :) I noticed it myself when I clicked on the link and seen reviews from March.. I think it must have been a genuine misunderstanding of the rule. I've removed the entry for the moment and sent a pm to rash.m2k

@adityamhatre - you're currently listed down with a massive 8 applications - 7 as beginner and 1 as non-beginner. Can you check that for me? You should be either one or the other. Also, I'm picturing you as a one man app factory.. 8!! Remember quality and quantity, I'm interested to see how many you finish :cool:

Oh and btw something had gone a bit iffy with the table, I think the closing tag wasn't edited right and it ended up towards the bottom of the wiki page. I've fixed it back now. If it happens when you edit it and you're not sure how to fix it just leave a note here :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Idea for the competition: Low power snake game for harmattan. If you make a black overlay widget like those used for video playback (direct playback to framebuffer) then whatever you print to the framebuffer shows through any black area, and also the low power screen. Thus it would be possible to make games for the lock screen like space invaders or snake, controlled with accelerometer.

I won't have time to play with this idea so anybody that finds it interesting can take it on.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hello,

I also want to jump in this competition. My problem is I recognized it to late and released a preview binary of my application one month after the competition started.
The application is still in development and not finished. Is it possible to participate with this application?
Some circumstances forced me to write this application and I like it so much that I need to release a preview, to see how many are interested and if it makes sense to improve the application or leave it for my needs.
I want to improve it! Now I am addicted. Any chance to jump in?

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hi Halfux, from the date on your announce thread it looks like you released your genwall application last week - it should be absolutely fine for the competition :)

New apps are those made within the competition timeline, so most of our applications will be released after the competition started. Don't worry about that at all. :cool: Those that released before, but that have signicant updates, have a special update category for themselves.

Best thing to do is have a look over the wiki, make sure you're happy with the rules etc, pick a category, and add yourself and genwall onto the list. Any questions just let us know.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Thank you for your replay. That is nice to hear. This brings me to another question.:)
I have seen that genwall seems a trademark for exterior wall systems (outer facades) so I think I need to change the name because of violating a law. Is that right?

*Edit: I think I need to ask the company what is included in the trademark only the logo or if it is also the word "genwall".

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

hey Halftux, hmm.. i don't know very much about trademarks so I really can't advise you on this. However I think you would be really unlucky if a exterior wall company was to make legal trouble for you over your ip table/firewall application.. but stranger things have happened I guess :confused: I think it's different if you were trying to pretend you were that company, or somehow you were using their company name for the benefit of your application. That's not the issue in this case, ofcourse, your application has nothing to do with exterior walling :) So I'd leave it up to you to decide how to proceed. Depending on how popular Genwall the company is, it might be beneficial to give your application a slightly different name to help your users search for it/find it on search engines etc.

But honestly I don't know what I'm talking about, so maybe someone else with legal knowlege can advise here :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

We've just got two new donations for the community prize fund by marxian and javispedro.

Thanks a lot.

Take a look at all the donations and find the donation button here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

What criteria will be used to judge the winners in each category?

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Community members are sent a token (using the same mechanism as for the Council elections) and are asked to vote for their favourite submissions in each category.

More here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_codi...on_2012#Voting

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hi rash.m2k, mrsellout is 100% spot on..

The competition is arguably the most open of the community device distribution programs, in that it's the maemo.org members themselves who will decide the winners. Except for me, I can't vote (before anyone asks :p) And each community member will probably have their own criteria for judging, depending on what is most important for them. You'll also have a vote, rash.m2k, so try to think what is important for you - maybe that will help you judge the mood of the community :)

Thanks guys!

I see we've collected 545 euros (£427/$668) for the bounty so far :cool:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

And a donation by pigling.

Thanks a lot.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I'd like to ask about the beginner entries: is the "first app" treated as any app for Maemo (console too), or GUI app?

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

hi marmistrz, we can't discriminate based on if the application has a GUI or not. So the beginners rule applies to the first released application.

If you think about the reasoning behing the beginner category, we understand that it takes a while to get the development environment set up and to start learning the coding platform, as well as figure out how to package, test, upload the finished application etc. It's also to encourage first time developers to take part who feel they wouldn't have the same chances against more experienced developers. So it's not really about the type of application, if that makes sense :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Great to see the competition going smooth and gaining lot of popularity. Eagerly waiting for the submissions to begin :)
Was a little busy with my projects.

For time being, I've one question to clear up:
I've just completed both of my enlisted apps and they are ready for publishing. As per rules, do I have to wait until the submission and results, or cud I go along and push the apps to Store right now? Given that I've started my work well within the competition timeline.

I'll wait for the answer before taking any steps.

Cheers & Best wishes, :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hey bibek, well done for finishing your projects :) There's no need to wait for the competition, please go ahead and upload them to the Store.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I hope i get my project finished! What is the end date, end september? ... I should probably do some alpha releases...the local game is working, but writing the server side is taking time, learning node.js to do it :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Maemo operating system includes a web browser by default. Do web-applications qualify for entry? Must they be open-source or are closed-source versions also acceptable as long as they're free?

(We can assume that all of the development, including a mobile version of the site, would happen after the starting date of the competition.)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Oh piggz - you don't have to the end of September, you better get your skates on! Here's the timeline

I've seen what you can do so I have absolutely no doubts you'll get everything finished though and in plenty of time, we're only half way through - no rush ;)

Hi gryllida, I know your question wasn't in response to me but I thought I'd chip in here :)

You haven't given much details, however please note that all applications have to be targeted at the Maemo/MeeGo platforms in some way. There has to be a relationship, when an application is natively coded that relationship is easy to see. With a web application you are stretching that a bit. So tell us, what does the web application do and specifically how is it targeted for the Maemo/MeeGo platforms? Does it provide functionality missing in the system through a web gateway? What is the benefit it brings?

I think what I'm saying is that a web application which happens to run on the Maemo browser isn't really enough for the competition. However something you have produced that specifically benefits the Maemo OS that uses the web browser may be something cool and useful we could include. I understand that's not a yes or no answer, but without details it's hard to give one - I hope it helps make things more clear anyway :)

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To all - it appears we still have little interest in the Location & Navigation category, I've decided in my mind if it remains that way 2/3s into the competition (a couple of weeks time) that splitting games and joining media/graphics with location is the best way to go. I need your help with this, especially for the guys that don't want the category change, what ideas do you have to get more interest in this category? Is there anything more that I, as organiser, should be doing? Is there anything you can do to help us get more interest in this category?

Also I'm behind on replying to pm's - apologies, I'll try my best to get around them asap. :o

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

What ideas were not implemented in Location/Navigation already? I have thought briefly of using GPS to update system time, but it turns out that "GPS Recorder" is one of several programs that already do that. Take a look at ModRana, Columbus, Marble, Navit, and others - what else is here to be done?

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

A Community Coding Competition doesn't make much sense if the community can't examine the code.
Your competitors won't be able to find out why their project was beaten by yours and then there's also the ridiculous worst-case scenario that somebody wins a price for writing malware.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Right - we're pretty well covered for location and navigation type applications, it might require some thinking out of the box.

For example, last week at class one of the kids wanted to see where their dog was when they were at school (don't ask me why). We made a simple Qt app that uploaded the GPS co-ordinates every X minutes, that she could see marked on a google map. The handset sits in a phone holder case that attached to the dogs coat via velcro

(not the actual hair lol, one of these)
http://www.groomers-online.com/shopi...l-dog-coat.jpg

Right away the dog rolled onto its back haha! so I quickly rescued my N950! It's not an all day thing but works well when the dog is out for walk, for example. Next step would be to use the camera to relay back what it sees on it's journeys :D

It's a silly example, but something a little more 'out of the box' as a Location app :) There u go - mPetTracker - someone go enter it :p

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

ModRana feature request ticket added. :)