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Dude, what are you looking for? More is better. GPS,glonass,Galileo ...galliano.

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Never happened to your N9......what a troll.

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Straight from the official Jolla page (http://jolla.com/your-jolla/)
http://i.imgbox.com/adrCvjPS.jpg

(also Finnish version of the page has been changed)

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Well it depends on the usage I guess.

I have to say I have never had a spontaneous reboot of my device due to running out of memory. (granted, I am not in habit of just opening applications to the background just for the sport of it, I use what I need at a same time and close them after that. Just as I use a generic computer, really.)

Only couple of times I have had a spontaneous reboot the cause has been the same, if the network coverage is really bad, like I am in a cellar and a CS call is ongoing, sometimes when the call breaks it will actually boot the device. I have not managed to get that happen outside ever, only in the same cellar two or three times.

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Seems like you also need to reading lessons. Do you remember I said tracker daemon? as far as I know thats an system app and I critizised that one too.

My mistake was I should had said that apps and system daemons etc... should be more optimized on mobiles.

I maybe should blame Linuxkernel too (Torvalds, dont kill me if u read this ;) Seriously, I am not an expert but I am not sure linux so good on embedded because overall Linux was written as an desktop/serveros?

But one beast to blame is definitivly graphic servers like X11 is definitivly NOT embedded friendly its actually plain garbage in that area. Hopefully wayland fixes that.

So summary is there is ALOT todo to use less resources. So my point is more RAM is NOT the solution. Optimize is the answer.

so yes again 1Gb should be more than enought on embedded platforms like a mobile.

To give an example on Linux desktop. You can run Xubuntu on very low resources and KDE takes alot more resources.

Now I compare that to you can run sailfishOS on low resources but if use Android it takes alot more resources.

It changed to 5 point multitouch because 6 point multitouch is inhuman :P

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I guess lesson learned for you. STAY OUT OF THAT CELLAR! What a troll!

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Not when you have two hands.

I will keep this clean...

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Now this is pretty humorous advice, thanks :)
And being called a troll is also a joy for me, the compliment coming from master of the arts :D

Actually the cellar I am talking about is the locker room of my workplace's gym, so I cannot really stay away from there, can I?
The fix is actually "don't take any calls when you'e there" :p

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How I can go ragemode on fruit ninja now? :(

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Reboots happened a lot on the Nokia 770 (with its pathetic 64 MB of RAM). But not on the later Maemo devices.
The 770 initially had no swap space and the engineers learned their lesson from that.
However, the 770 used iOS/Android-style multitasking in 2005 where apps would be asked to save their state before getting killed by the OS to free up resources. It didn't help much. The device still ran out of memory too soon. The idea of that poor multitasking was dismissed eventually as it turned out that putting more RAM and some swap space into devices added a lot more to stability.

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Please I beg you, don't feed the troll. Just ignore him.
First it defeats the purpose of ignore lists, second it will cause moving this thread to off-topic like the previous ones.

To the topic: I hope Jolla removes one tap a week, so we have a precise resistive screen at the end ;)

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If you reply to Lameiman and Faildave please don't quote them cause i can see their crap even if they are on my ignore list.

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Regarding the 5 vs 6 point multitouch - the mobile verison says 5, the desktop version says 6 (in English at least). Surely there is an error there.

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There is a better way to compare google trends:
1. Compare unreleased phones (e.g Lumia 1520 vs the Jolla)
2. Choose computers and electronics so you filter out irrelevant searches
3. Add -la so that it doesn't interfere with searches for "la jolla"

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...ay 12-m&cmpt=q

Not too bad.

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You should put Jolla phone. Jolla without La will still hit many la Jolla San Diego sites, just check that on twitter

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Send us the pic of your three lumia devices.

It's like show me Jesus. Btw. He did say he gave them away.

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I think the spec. is pretty much set now. Dont think we get more until we have the devices in our hands.

The only question is...how long do we have to wait.

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Right. Somehow I don't believe it. I had 6 N9s that I bought for myself and others. The ones I gave away were returned due to many problems ordinary people couldn't tolerate. I practically gave away three of mine to Aries who resold them to some poor souls. If it was such a good phone why didn't I keep it. Why did I buy it in the first place? Because I gave them a benefit of a doubt and thought they were cool. They were on the surface, but truly not competitive with others. My point is: no matter what specs these guys put together, they need to provide a software that does every basic thing well or NO ONE will care about or they will simply return it as many have return policies. Or perhaps they are selling it to markets where there is no return policy?

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Something tells me it will be februari-mars 2014...but I really hope I'm way too pessimistic. Would be an awesome Christmas present from Jolla if it's available in december.

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Na, can't wait 6 more months. If I have to wait that long iam buying an iPhone as a protest.

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@Lumiaman, no that is skewing the results. Look at how much more is the volume of Lumia searches vs Lumia Phone

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...%2012-m&cmpt=q

If you put Lumia 1520 phone and jolla phone neither gets any result on trends.

I also did filter by computers and electronics, and San Diego isn't that relevant.

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well my nexus 4 just broke, ill use a brick till jolla

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If you're looking for a cheap stop-gap take a look at the Huawei Ascend Y300, I got one for £60 and it's a surprisingly good phone. It would've been a bargain at twice the price.

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Yeah. Basic things like proper multitasking.

It's funny how easy it is to convince people, by example of an N9, why proper multitasking is a good thing. Also, they tell me they find the "multitasking" on other OSses confusing; it's really annoying when you can't be sure whether a task merely gets suspended or shot down entirely, even with massive amounts of memory.

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They will as well find it confusing, if the system stops responding when the system is "swapping" and trying to do the desktop style multitasking (Maemo/Meego) without killing anything. The amount of RAM memory counts both in Android and in Maemo/Meego.

The UI for multitasking in Android is easy to learn, but I agree the UI can be hidden and unfound for a normal user if (s)he never bothers to learn it. There is a good point of having a LIFO list of recent apps and not having them in mosaic style. For a normal user, it is simplified to show just the recent used apps in the list, whether they are resident and running in RAM, stopped or killed. IMHO for an experienced user the list could show with some way the stage of the app (running, stopped, killed), like with some colored dot beside the name of the app. (So, I somewhat agree.)
There is other ways of multitasking UI available if the default one is too simple or too hidden.

(This is a often repeated conversation, ~OT, but ...)
I personally think in mobile devices Android's way of doing multitasking is better than Maemo/Meego's way of doing it. It saves the normal user better against laziness of app developers and against knowing himself how many and how big (RSS memory) apps a user really can run simultaneously in his system.

In Android, if an app developer wants one's app to behave nicely also over the stopped-stage, one can program it. And if one wants to make sure it runs 24/7, one can program it (the service class). But lazy programmers who do not care to do things nicely for a mobile device, deserve their app's internal stage to reset during the Android-stopped stage or be just killed if they abuse the resources.

If an app developer bothers to make a well scalable UI to mobile device, he should also easily make it well behaving with Android multitasking.
If he just wants to port an app from a desktop world to a mobile world without doing any rewriting, I doubt it will be useful either in Android multitasking system or in the desktop style multitasking system (Maemo/Meego).

And one can enable swap-memory also in Android if one wants to have same kind of behaviour as in desktop systems. But for good reasons Android doesn't have swap memory system by default. It is left for the experienced users, those same who can also live with Maemo/Meego's swap memory easily and know the limitations and penalties.

Those of you who diss Android's multitasking, I suggest to just try one of the latests Android devices, for example Note 3, to see where Android is going. Jolla claims "the best multitasking experience" (for a non-experienced user) with their first device, but it remains to be seen.

I wonder how Jolla has implemented the Activity Lifecycle in the ACL part of Sailfish. Do they swap away also Android apps, or just kill them more easily if free RAM comes short. The UI and usage of the ACL in Sailfish is a really interesting thing to see (IMO), and I hope they have succeeded well in it.

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In the 1st day, 2 hours of use of my Nexus 4 (with 2GB of RAM and 4-core CPU), in 2 situations some default softwares were closed, then reopen but real state was lost. Sometimes this problem happens with only 2 softwares being used at all by the user !
So I take a new Android device, with only default softwares installed, and using Google's softwares I already have this problem. I can reproduce this issue in any Android smartphone, tablet and Mini-PC that I've used so far.

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Thats why I don't buy Android devices...

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About networks support (if this is useful for anyone), T-Mobile in US supports LTE in many areas now:
http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage.html

It uses 1700 MHz frequency. So, let's hope Jolla's modem will be able to handle this.

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The specs are clearly NOT differentiating Jolla from the rest of the crowd. What will??

The OS and TOH?

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That only works with large screen space. On smaller devices this is not very useful.

As you mentioned, background tasks are possible on Android, by creating a service. Yeah, at least it is possible, unlike other popular OSses, but it adds to the complexity of programming. Writing something like an SSH terminal becomes quite a bit harder.

I guess Jolla will maintain the normal Android behavior for Android apps. I can't see much benefit in keeping Android apps running in the background, as they are written (or at least should) to handle the suspend/run/suspend-sequence. An option to override this per app would be nice though.

But what about Android widgets? Can we forget about them? Or do we get to see a Sailfish app which hosts Android widgets?

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Why in the hell would I want widgets? I don't miss widgets on my N9.

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Well, Jollas specs will be lower than the rest of the crowd. That's one way of doing it :D
The other way/half is offering a smooth system with good multitasking and a few unique features. It's a one of a kind unit (like N9, but more polished...hopefully) unlike all the common stuff out there.
I love underdogs and unique stuff. It's the oceans unicorn....the Sailfish! ;)

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I still haven't heard what differentiates them. How will ordinary Joe and Amy know that this is THE phone

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I see where you're going. Joe and Amy likes megapixels, new exiting names of processors and seeing their future phone in commercials everywhere. Pretty sad, but only the dead fish follow the stream. Sailfish is not one of them and its followers aren't either.

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quite right. never liked them on the n900.

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at 60quid I can sell my nexus for 100 and buy the 8gb one. ive got a tiny samsung e1200. and it works fine for texting and calls so I can't complain

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Yes, you got to be a follower as nothing else differentiates this device for average Joe and Amy