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Mea culpa - it was non-official speculation that 9 and 10 would be merged. Which still makes sense - which, with 9 still missing in action - makes a lot of sense.

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I don't know: If they're currently unable to get 9 into a stable state, why would they want to complicate things further by opening the package and adding update 10 to the mix?

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FWIW, some days ago, they were testing the 12th internal RC.

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ch/2014/...re-office.html

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In the same way they merged Release 7 into Release 6 whilst 6 was still undergoing testing.

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I wasn't under the impression then that 6 was a particularly troublesome release. On the contrary, my interpretation then was that Jolla felt confident about both 6 and 7 and merged them because it was the easy thing to do. The situation is very different now, isn't it?

Anyway, no use discussing it, we'll get an update when it's ready, and in fact there's hardly a way for us to tell if it's exactly what upate 9 should have been. ;)
(AFAIK they'll even start a new numbering scheme, 1.1.x instead of 1.0.x, so whats 9 or 10 is even less important.)

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Exactly! Also: what made it more important then was that Update 6 was supposed to enable some 4G and Update 7 all of 4G. By combining that, they gave everyone access to 4G at the same time and 4G was a major feature to enable. We don't know what Update 10 is gonna bring yet, so Update 9 is important on its own this time.

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Has anyone heard any news about the update? We are in mid October now.

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Nope. It seems to be harder and harder to get releases to the public. My guess is during November.

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Not releases, just this release. Still: we have had more updates so far than any other devices out there. Even Apple can't top this amount of updates for a single device.

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@coderus: Wait, you said call blocking app wasn't possible. But there is one in Warehouse: https://together.jolla.com/question/...#post-id-55573
So it is possible after all.

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@vistaus we're talked about call recorder, not call blocker. read words carefully.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=99
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=103

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Apple have fewer things that need fixing ...

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Maybe. But those things that do need fixing are on a grander scale.
And they have more resources to to throw at it.

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I think the upgrade to Qt5.2 is the main culprit for the delays. i'm willing to be patient. besides, it's not like the phone is completely unusable without update 9.

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My personal impression of "all the things that need fixing" on the Jolla phone is that this is developing a life of its own and becoming an urban legend.

I have to use the Android phone my company dictates for work, so I use the Jolla phone weekends and evenings and the Samsung MO-FR during daytime.

Comparing the two on a daily basis makes me a lot more forgiving towards the little glitches Jolla still suffers from. There's exactly two real bugs in Sailfish at this moment (browser links and wifi issues) that I have to work around and fortunately can work around easily. Everything else is cosmetical, nice to have enhancements that take time and that Android sure didn't offer during its first year. At the same time, I find myself re-booting the Samsung phone because its keyboard gets stuck again, calling it names because of the idiotic behaviour of the front button and the strange settings logic, or finding that yet again I cannot perform an operation the way I want because only sailfish can.

What I want to say is that yes, Jolla does have its issues but no, it's not the only company on the market that delivers less than 100% perfect phones. (I'd never touch an Apple product, but I hear that they have issues, too.) And in direct comparison, the small boat from Finland does a lot better than one would expect - I'd rather use my Jolla all day long than take the Samsung to work.

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I just hope they haven't put all their resources on creating the Angry Birds Android launcher.

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That depends on what needs fixing, right?

The whole Apple-UI and experience is geared for the few workflows that Jobs/Ivy design school thinks that user should be able to do. Those things are made very smooth and debugged well so there are not that many extra glitches but god forbid if you want to do something dfferently, you are pretty much swimming against the current!

In my opinion there's a huge gap of stuff to be fixed for an iPhone ever to became useful to me. Not the bugfix-kind, but the missing-functionality-kind.


I do not have such experiences with Samsungs as I have not ever owned one or used one for a lengthier period, but I have observed my wife's daily struggles with her WP8 Lumia device, and I have to say that appears to behave exacly the same way :D
There are almost every day mysterious glitches, many operations fail to work the way you'd expect them to, or are impossible to do... There are often glitches that force you to reboot the device to make it work again... sometimes stuck so that you need to remove the battery to get the device to boot again...

And just like iPhone, the WP devices are so limited, with so poor feature set I could not ever be satisfied using them. Just for basic phonecalls ans messaging, but there's nothing else I could use the things for!


Currently Jolla is the only company really listening to its customers, instead of just throwing a bag of features/updates to you twice a year. A bag of not-known/not-requested updates, containing possibly fixes to your problems but with no changelog whatsoever!
That's how these large companies treat you, not like customers but like cattle to be fed what they graciously provide.

In their eyes you are not customers, you are just serfs to be bound to their service network, you are just small gears and bearings in the machine that makes money for the companies. The devices are not made for you, the features are not there for you, all is cleverly made to force you tighter in their net, to milk you of your worth and identity.

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Of course they must provide stuff since Jolla phone lacks so much features and has so many bugs and glitches here and there.

Maybe the thing is that what is in apple device, works pretty solid. Same goes for WP (lacks also features but has not so many stupid bugs) and android too. Apple and WP have system-wise restrictions but that a whole different thing (and all knows that of course)

If someone has a not-working new samsung-phone, it must not be sw-prob in general, rather a faulty unit. -> not to blame Andro :)

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No, it is just like @benny1967 said above, didn't you really read it at all?
What he said is that there's just 2 bugs that need fixing, the browser landscape-zoom causing links to be harder to hit and the wlan-accespoint-dropping bugs.
I agree with him, those are currently the only ones I can think of which badly need a fix.
(and both of those have workarounds; 1. do a small pan after zooming and 2. remember to switch your wlan off when not in need of it)


No, not really the case at least for WP. (cannot be sure of iPhones as I so rarely have been using/observing those)
But the WP devices have lots and lots of SW glitches, bugs, hanging and misbehaviour.


Specifcally Samsung does have these problems, and it is not because of Android, but because Samsung has TouchWiz which creates another overtly complicated SW layer on top of the Android.

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I guess we reach the fundamental aspect of what is considered as bug/clitch etc. I have a long list of stuff that works in every other phone besides jolla. One for example is that various emails open blank white. Submission to "get around" is lame. The small things do count, at least to me.

I used for example Lumia 625 8.1 dev edit for a while and had a suberb UX - didnt encounter any bugs, just some missing features. The best thing was, it didnt lag overall in any use, as every other phone has done so far. Still came back to jolla cos of the deep love for the Sailfish UI :)

Well yeah, manufacturers own layers provide some **** but didnt expreience in newer galaxy series from 2 to 5.

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I do not consider "getting around" lame, it is just something that has to be done until the bug gets fixed.
And mark me, both of these example-glitches are non-lethal; the device does not lag/hang/boot/whatever.

Nevertheless, I do have confidence that these bugs will be fixed, and in open, honestly manner too.

Consider similar bugs in other OS'es; Do they even admit that the bugs exist? Or promise that they will be fixed and provide roadmaps? Or provide detailed changelogs after the bug has been fixed?
Didn't think so.

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I don't really get all this lag stuff. I use my Jolla phone as a daily driver for the last 10 months now. Even with 6 apps open (including 2 Android apps, one them being a game ffs), I rarely experience any lag. Sometimes there's a little bit of a delay, but that's not the same as lag and even my mum's BB Z30 has that same delay with some things even though the Z30 is one of the smoothest phones on the market. What Jolla could do is add something like a spinner to notify you that it's doing something instead of leave you waiting. But that's it. And again: that's only a little delay, not a lag. This lag thing is just a myth unless you're running 100% Android apps all the time...

I don't really encounter many bugs atm. Only the browser issue which was mentioned earlier. But even that has a workaround: I use WebCat as my primary browser which doesn't have that issue. And the camera is a little bit flaky with taking pictures sometimes, but I use my DSLR as primary camera anyway so that's not really an issue for me either.

Btw, to the guy who said that wat iOS does do works well: may I point you to the failed 8.0.2 update?

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I also see more than two bugs, which are to fix.
For me the caldav-sync doesn't work in a way, that i can work with it: It's massively unreliable. And there are further bugs which are really annoying.

But on the other side, the system it self runs really really stable. I've never had a smartphone, which I don't have to reboot every x days. Jolla is the first one, which runs from one update to the other.

And when I preordered my Jolla, I had not expected that it would replace my N900 that quick as my main phone. I expected an much more incomplete device with a lot of bugs. Don't forget, Jolla is just a company with 100 employees, offering you a complete new OS plus hardware. I find that quite impressive.

Yes I eagerly awaiting update 1.0.9.n. especially because of the caldav-problems. But if it take still a few weeks, than I can wait. That doesn't really matter. Better that way, than having an instable device.

By the way: Android doesn't support caldav at all. You need a third party application for syncing. :o

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referring to Jolla dum-bugs (like email white blank+dozens more), I wait for the time they have more quantity in coding power or better automation in testing (or maybe other reasons, dunno).

This must be the case, but u know, other dont have these bugs anymore. (but yeah I get what u mean)
Also about promises, wouldnt go that far, monthly updates.... not really happening. But I appreciate the effort. At least they try :)

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I use Exchange CalDav sync to my personal outlook.com account and I don't experience any sync issues two-way.

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Copy & paste comes to mind too :)

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WebCat has copy and paste which works fine :) I know, it doesn't solve the main browser lack of it but it's a workaround for now.

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Haven't used these but these bring copy & paste to the browser?


https://openrepos.net/content/coderu...election-patch

https://openrepos.net/content/coderu...ection-browser

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I haven't used those either but what I am after is a solution that works globally, in any application. The most common use case is, I have an email, SMS or a text file with a WiFi password. How do I copy it and paste it in the WiFi "enter password" dialog?

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What I'm mostly surprised about is that no one has complained about Jolla releasing a AB launcher for Android while they had shown us the AB TOH way back when. While I don't care for AB, I thought some of you would take this opportunity to complain. Good to see there's no complaints :)

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I sync with egroupware. And as written: It works, but it didn't work reliable and if I look on together.jolla i'm definitely not the only one who experiences problems with the caldav-sync. So I'm quite sure there will be an improvement with the next update. I'm looking forward to the next release. But i'm wise enough to know that good things take it's time. So I am patient.

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Exchange doesn't use CalDAV. It uses a proprietary protocol from Microsoft called 'ActiveSync'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_ActiveSync

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Outlook Calendar (Live Calendar) supports ActiveSync but also CalDav. They added CalDav support because Google was shutting down ActiveSync support on July 31, 2013. So yes, it does sync to my Jolla using CalDav currently.

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Live Calendar (and Outlook.com) is nothing to do with Exchange.

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It does. The only way to sync Live Calendar/Outlook.com on SailfishOS is to setup an Exchange account and logging in with outlook.com details. Same goes for GNOME Shell on Linux desktop: only way to sync Live/Outlook is to setup an Exchange account.

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Btw, I wonder why this guy is wasting his time so much on that call recorder app: https://github.com/dpurgin/harbour-c...commits/master
If this guy reads this forum: it's NOT possible, stop your activity.

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https://together.jolla.com/question/...recording-app/

from Jolla:

Unfortunately 'currently' making call recorder app is not possible, as call audio is not available in Sailfish side nor in pulseaudio. Phonecalls are made in lower levels in android adaptation so you cannot listen in with any easy way. One could say that its a security feature that no application can listen in, but security 'feature' is just a side effect.

You can only listen the microphone, but that will always just lead to not-so-good experience.

Edit: in some future update there might come enabler to pulseaudio which will allow call recorder app to be made.

Developer:

Hi guys,

Actually the fully functional voice call recording can be done on Jolla, it just needs some improvements in a pulseaudio module which were already made but not yet publically available. Jolla guys told me these improvements should be released with the upcoming update.

Meanwhile, I made a (mostly) working proof-of-concept which I'm using for about a month now on my own Jolla device. Currently I'm lacking free time to make a feasible GUI for it but the backend does what it should do - it records incoming and outgoing calls, compresses to FLAC and stores on the file system.

If anyone is interested in the source code or willing to participate, feel free: https://github.com/dpurgin/harbour-callrecorder

Cheers




And did someone make a hack that allowed to record calls? Or is this something else?

https://github.com/mer-hybris/pulsea...-droid/pull/14

And I remember seeing some irclog where someone said he recorded a phone call but I am not sure.

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But it's not possible. Coderus made that very clear and I trust his expertise :) (I really do, no joke!)

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'Exchange' and an 'Exchange account' are not the same thing . An Exchange account is simply an account that happens to be compatible with Microsoft's Exchange Active Sync protocol, but is not constrained to it. There are plenty of other systems that do the same; I use an 'Exchange account' to talk to gmail from my PC and from my N9 (by the time I got my Jolla Google had disabled EAS for free accounts), and gmail is clearly not Exchange.

Note that I am not disputing that you can use CalDAV with Live Calendar (although I've not tried it myself)

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What makes you think the coming update will include fixes for CalDAV? Was that ever mentioned anwhere? Man it was a huge bummer to not find that in the list for update 9. Caldav and Copy/
Paste, and improvements in the browser should be all their top priorities. That browser can be such a pita to use sometimes!