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chilango 2013-04-16 17:45
It's coming in May
 
Look here. Antti Saarnio is telling that the first Phone are presented in a couple of weeks.

http://translate.google.com/translat...%2F170%3Fn%3D1

jalyst 2013-04-16 18:00
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1336458)
But why did they say they will release late this year? They announce it early May and release it in Nov dec... Something is not right with the information we have. Ħuʍop puɐ dn sı plɹoM ǝɥ┴ Fishy...
They never said Nov/Dec, some speculation has put it around then, but they've only ever said 2H of 2013*.
They set a deadline for around Dec, but they didn't say it will arrive for purchase then, there was always a possibility it could be sooner.

*I'm referring to their most recent revision of (rough) availability time-line ofc

ajalkane 2013-04-16 18:06
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
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Originally Posted by Hacker (Post 1336466)
Duuude, it appears that there are different device modifications or looks that will be available to early supporters, depending on how much they pre-pay. Perhaps that and the need to raise more money factor into the delay.
Before anyone gets their imagination flying too high, according to the finnish article it's software modifications not hardware modifications. Like for example, a cool looking background saying "Hacker is the shizznit!".

jalyst 2013-04-16 18:07
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The company will use the pre-order funding to manufacture the devices.
They'll be using a Finnish Kickstarter-like funding platform that was not specified.
What's with their obsession with all things Finnish/Nordic, they need to curb that a bit.
"Kickstarter-like" site, FFS just use the most popular social funding network(s) on the net.
Not some esoteric Finnish-based one just because it's Finnish... >.>

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Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1336490)
Before anyone gets their imagination flying too high, according to the finnish article it's software modifications not hardware modifications. Like for example, a cool looking background saying "Hacker is the shizznit!".
Yup...
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Finally, Jolla promises all pre-orders something special: "We want to offer people pre-ordering something unique, eg. user interface related."

mariusmssj 2013-04-16 18:16
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My nokia blog seems to have an interesting take on this.

Article here

not sure how much is true!

shmerl 2013-04-16 18:22
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I'd say this whole preorder funding is rather unusual since the big chunk of that money won't go to Jolla but would be swallowed by the taxes. That's what happens with Kickstarter campaigns if anyone isn't familiar - people lose almost half of the funds to the government.

mariusmssj 2013-04-16 18:24
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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1336499)
I'd say this whole preorder funding is rather unusual since the big chunk of that money won't go to Jolla but would be swallowed by the taxes. That's what happens with Kickstarter campaigns if anyone isn't familiar - people lose almost half of the funds to the government.
Where do taxes come into the picture? I though money goes directly to the company

jalyst 2013-04-16 18:25
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Don't they have that huge chunk of financial backing (something like 600mill IIRC)?
Or was that only to be released in very small chunks, once(if) certain millstones are met, over several years etc?

shmerl 2013-04-16 18:26
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1336502)
Where do taxes come into the picture? I though money goes directly to the company
Company selling products has to pay taxes. Preorders are taxed as well (if not even worse), since they are advance sales. With Kickstarter it's more weird, since most people see it as a funding (investment) mechanism, however for the government it's still advance sales mechanism, and they tax it like crazy. That's the reality - projects lose a huge part of such funding money. That's why most attempt to find investors, rather than using crowdfunding, since in such case taxation doesn't apply in the same crazy manner.

jalyst 2013-04-16 18:31
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
I'm not very clued-up in that area, but assuming you're absolutely right...
I hope this crowd-sourced funding tack is being leveraged mainly for marketing purposes, & is not a indicator that they're having troubles with funding/investors.


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