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szopin 2016-01-14 19:55
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1494903)
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Antti Saarnio promised in the previous meeting that the Tablet project would be resolved around New Year's time, but unfortunately it took a little more time. Now we finally have a resolution agreed and we're now preparing the practicalities and the communication. An update should be out in a few days (next week). (vgrade, 14:44:10)
Jesus Fuc**** Christ, stop with the So*n, we have people so invested in this tablet (like zogg) that cannot wait for next week. FFS, get your sh*t together, like together.j***a.com, I want my X on that phone, get on it!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I

Copernicus 2016-01-14 19:59
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1494924)
Yeah, That would have been bad but much better than current disaster :D
Really? You'd prefer that Jolla stop working on Sailfish and hand you a low-end Chinese Android tablet? Wouldn't it be better to just buy one directly yourself? :)

Dave999 2016-01-14 20:40
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1494927)
Really? You'd prefer that Jolla stop working on Sailfish and hand you a low-end Chinese Android tablet? Wouldn't it be better to just buy one directly yourself? :)
I would prefer a tablet with sail 2.0 since that was what they planned. But yeah a cheap chinese tablet is what jolla built anyway so yeah I would rather see that shipped. Jolla cant continue without tablet or solid compensation.

Its also about Trust. Can I Trust them to deliver or not?

Copernicus 2016-01-14 20:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1494942)
Jolla cant continue without tablet or solid compensation.
Actually, Jolla really really can't continue without an income. Which it would lack if it simply shifted tablets from China to your door at cost.

Jolla shipping Android tablets is worse than pointless, it's simply a waste of time and effort. The only advantage to the Jolla tablet was Sailfish, and therefore, I think they were correct in focussing on that aspect of the device above all others. (And they did succeed in getting the software ready, they just ran out of money in getting the hardware ready...)

Dave999 2016-01-14 20:52
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1494944)
Actually, Jolla really really can't continue without an income. Which it would lack if it simply shifted tablets from China to your door at cost.

Jolla shipping Android tablets is worse than pointless, it's simply a waste of time and effort. The only advantage to the Jolla tablet was Sailfish, and therefore, I think they were correct in focussing on that aspect of the device above all others. (And they did succeed in getting the software ready, they just ran out of money in getting the hardware ready...)
Pointless in terms of tablet maybe. But not when IT comes to buisness. Jolla need to ship something Every blog, paper customer report and following what jolla doing and they need to ship something.

Copernicus 2016-01-14 20:58
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1494947)
Jolla need to ship something Every blog, paper customer report and following what jolla doing and they need to ship something.
Fine. Send a tablet to Jolla and have them ship it back to you. Problem solved!

Dave999 2016-01-14 21:05
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1494950)
Fine. Send a tablet to Jolla and have them ship it back to you. Problem solved!
That Wont solve anything for Jolla. Who will support Jolla next time they are trying to sell a product? Very few. Jolla need to come up with a proper solution by themselves to try to win back support.

gerbick 2016-01-14 21:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1494951)
That Wont solve anything for Jolla. Who will support Jolla next time they are trying to sell a product? Very few. Jolla need to come up with a proper solution by themselves to try to win back support.
You're ignoring their exit game. License the OS, split the hardware division (now fully laid off for the most part) and find partners.

Jolla strength is in software and scaling Sailfish OS. I don't think they'll go into hardware for quite a while, personally.

Folks might support the OS since it can be stripped down to terminal, have Nemo/Plasma as the UI instead... whatnot since that would jumpstart other companies that are probably tired of the Google/Apple duopoly. That's my take.

szopin 2016-01-14 21:24
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1494954)
You're ignoring their exit game. License the OS, split the hardware division (now fully laid off for the most part) and find partners.

Jolla strength is in software and scaling Sailfish OS. I don't think they'll go into hardware for quite a while, personally.
They cannot, they will not. Having HW partner(s?) it would be a suicide, they needed a reference design/example it works (noooo, it didn't work, I did not have a phone for last year, just listen to zoggs and other haters, this never happened, even to the details of battery, or specific package being screwed, this never happened)
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Folks might support the OS since it can be stripped down to terminal, have Nemo/Plasma as the UI instead... whatnot since that would jumpstart other companies that are probably tired of the Google/Apple duopoly. That's my take.
You can get terminal on raspberryPI, if Jolla phone was only that you';d have only haters on this forum, that's our (users) take

Feathers McGraw 2016-01-14 22:33
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
szopin, please stop posting off topic drivel. I'm here to read about and discuss Jolla's tablet, because it is interesting and it affects the future of Jolla, which I care about.

The last few pages of garbage have been incredibly tedious and have been drowning out the people who are actually trying to discuss the topic at hand.

You have posted some interesting stuff that made a real contribution to the discussion in the past, can we get back to that please?

marxian 2016-01-14 22:42
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Sod's law. There is never a ninja-deleting mod around when you need one.

billranton 2016-01-14 23:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I hope Lastucase got paid now. I think Carol said in the meeting that she was going to find out if they did.

szopin 2016-01-14 23:48
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1495021)
I hope Lastucase got paid now. I think Carol said in the meeting that she was going to find out if they did.
They had to, their deal was not possibly-donation-if-it-doesn't-work

mscion 2016-01-14 23:52
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1495021)
I hope Lastucase got paid now. I think Carol said in the meeting that she was going to find out if they did.
That's quite ineresting and gives me a glimmer of hope. Any idea how many cases were paid for?

szopin 2016-01-14 23:54
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1495025)
That's quite ineresting and gives me a glimmer of hope. Any idea how many cases were paid for?
Based on the fact he said he hopes, let me answer this: I hope ALL of them

mosen 2016-01-15 00:22
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1495025)
That's quite ineresting and gives me a glimmer of hope. Any idea how many cases were paid for?
Yes, we know an exact number.
A total of 2431 Lastucases were backed on IGG for 49$ each.
119119$ in total. Given normal reseller conditions, Jolla should have paid about 2/3 of the price to lastu.
So Jolla propably moved about 79,333.25$ or 73.068,13€.

jalyst 2016-01-15 02:50
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1494991)
szopin, please stop posting off topic drivel. I'm here to read about and discuss Jolla's tablet, because it is interesting and it affects the future of Jolla, which I care about.

The last few pages of garbage have been incredibly tedious and have been drowning out the people who are actually trying to discuss the topic at hand.

You have posted some interesting stuff that made a real contribution to the discussion in the past, can we get back to that please?
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Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1494997)
Sod's law. There is never a ninja-deleting mod around when you need one.
Received some reports, all moved to OT...
Geezus there was lots of crap, crap can be continued in OT.

peterleinchen 2016-01-15 07:21
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1495021)
I hope Lastucase got paid now. I think Carol said in the meeting that she was going to find out if they did.
Is that 'unlike'? :(

pichlo 2016-01-15 07:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
There are many unlike ways in which Jolla conducts its business. Too many to count.
Sadly, not one of them in a way we expected them to be.

tommo 2016-01-15 07:59
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
If I ever get my lastu case I'm gonna see if lastu wants it back, maybe they can recycle the materials or something

Dave999 2016-01-15 08:07
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1495053)
If I ever get my lastu case I'm gonna see if lastu wants it back, maybe they can recycle the materials or something
Great idea. If I ever get my tablet I'm gonna ask Jolla if the want it back for recycling.

att 2016-01-15 08:50
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1495054)
Great idea. If I ever get my tablet I'm gonna ask Jolla if the want it back for recycling.
Or you could donate it to some Sailfish community member or developer ;)

Dave999 2016-01-15 08:57
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by att (Post 1495056)
Or you could donate it to some Sailfish community member or developer ;)
That could be good too.

jpel 2016-01-15 11:30
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Now what is this :confused: ?

Market Status: Coming Soon
Updated on:Jan 15, 2016
Release Date: Feb 10, 2016 (Official)

Taken from:

http://www.91mobiles.com/jolla-tablet-price-in-india

pichlo 2016-01-15 11:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1495054)
If I ever get my tablet I'm gonna ask Jolla if they want it back for recycling.
Let me get this straight. You are making all this noise about how the future of the Universe depends on Jolla sending you your toy and you don't even want it? Get off of my cloud, Dave!

velox 2016-01-15 12:33
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by jpel (Post 1495071)
Now what is this :confused: ?

Market Status: Coming Soon
Updated on:Jan 15, 2016
Release Date: Feb 10, 2016 (Official)

Taken from:

http://www.91mobiles.com/jolla-tablet-price-in-india
Well, they also say it's a laptop in the "Configuration and OS" segment, which is a good indicator for how much I trust any info on that page. (Not that much.)

mosen 2016-01-15 12:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by velox (Post 1495075)
Well, they also say it's a laptop in the "Configuration and OS" segment, which is a good indicator for how much I trust any info on that page. (Not that much.)
I was under the impression that the site is something like areamobil, collecting info only but does not resell?

zenecho 2016-01-15 12:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by jpel (Post 1495071)
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Display and Design - "The tablet carries a posh appeal"

.... bless

velox 2016-01-15 12:52
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1495077)
I was under the impression that the site is something like areamobil, collecting info only but does not resell?
I based my (granted, harsh) opinion solely on what I saw that one page, I don't know their site. But I agree, they look like an aggregator of sorts. :)

mikelima 2016-01-15 14:51
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
On with the speculation!

Maybe Jolla will buy a bunch of these and reflash with sailfish os.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/01/...700-processor/

I certainly wouldn't mind being able to boot in either ubuntu or sailfishOS on this...

Edit: on the other hand, I will skip the crowdfunding on this one...

mscion 2016-01-15 16:00
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by mikelima (Post 1495088)
On with the speculation!

Maybe Jolla will buy a bunch of these and reflash with sailfish os.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/01/...700-processor/

I certainly wouldn't mind being able to boot in either ubuntu or sailfishOS on this...

Edit: on the other hand, I will skip the crowdfunding on this one...
Please continue with the speculation! My contribution...

Dave999 2016-01-15 16:39
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1495074)
Let me get this straight. You are making all this noise about how the future of the Universe depends on Jolla sending you your toy and you don't even want it? Get off of my cloud, Dave!
I was here first. Get your own iCloud.

Jollas universe depends on Jolla sending a toy to every backer was what I said.

What should I do with a 2,5 years old piece of plastic? Of course we need to recycle...

mscion 2016-01-15 17:00
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1495097)
I was here first. Get your own iCloud.

Jollas universe depends on Jolla sending a toy to every backer was what I said.

What should I do with a 2,5 years old piece of plastic? Of course we need to recycle...
Some music to read this thread by...

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en-...gBAJBv-fQNAAAA

gerbick 2016-01-15 18:04
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Can we talk about the Jolla tablet and less about personal attacks?

prometheus 2016-01-15 18:22
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1495102)
Can we talk about the Jolla tablet and less about personal attacks?
I agree. Sorry for that.

Copernicus 2016-01-15 18:30
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1495105)
I agree. Sorry for that.
Cool. Care to amend/remove your previous post (#3753) then? Thanks.

Dave999 2016-01-15 18:37
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I excpect jolla to send out something like this to all backers.

http://rlv.zcache.com.au/i_love_dave..._8byvr_324.jpg

and Yeah, I expect YOU to wear it.

We need some LOVE in this thread.

prometheus 2016-01-15 18:50
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1495106)
Cool. Care to amend/remove your previous post (#3753) then? Thanks.
Actually, no. It is my personal opinion. But thanks for the suggestion.

Copernicus 2016-01-15 19:06
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1495108)
Actually, no. It is my personal opinion. But thanks for the suggestion.
Fascinating. So, you are then retracting your post #3755. :) Everyone has their own opinions, but man, surely it is hypocritical to both say that you agree that we should not be posting personal attacks, while you yourself continue to post personal attacks.

mscion 2016-01-15 19:27
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Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1495111)
Fascinating. So, you are then retracting your post #3755. :) Everyone has their own opinions, but man, surely it is hypocritical to both say that you agree that we should not be posting personal attacks, while you yourself continue to post personal attacks.
Couldn't agree with you more completely but to avoid being hypocritical and maintain his persona, shouldn't prometheus delete post #3755


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