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ZogG 2016-01-19 09:21
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1495422)
Not entirely.

Having to use android drivers meant having to use android HWComposer, which meant ditching X for Wayland which can use custom file descriptors, and shifting to QT5 because it supports GLES2.0 scene graph, which meant Qt Quick 2.0 had to be used.

No idea what the Sailfish UI was originally written in, but if it was Qt Widgets then very little can be reused, as its a completely different way of defining UIs.

This is the specific situation that was being referred to, and it sounds like a bucket load of work to me. Switching major frameworks is not something you can handwave away.
Which again is true for the time BEFORE the phone was out which was more than 3 years ago. What about "for tablet" update?

r0kk3rz 2016-01-19 09:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1495423)
Which again is true for the time BEFORE the phone was out which was more than 3 years ago. What about "for tablet" update?
Yeah that was ages ago, but they were still feeling the effects of that transition in work that needed to be rectified for the tablet. This is work that would have been done without the tablet project anyway, and was started before the tablet project was even announced to the public.

But you can't just increase the DPI on a UI designed for one handed phone usage, slap it on a tablet and call it a day. Well I guess you could, but I can understand if they thought they could do better than that.

att 2016-01-19 10:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1495365)
Thanks. Finally something to smile about in this thread. :)
You're welcome :)

Dave999 2016-01-19 11:24
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
No news today!

zenecho 2016-01-19 12:47
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1495430)
No news today!
Surely that is "news" though!

ZogG 2016-01-19 13:21
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1495433)
Surely that is "news" though!
news is from "new" and as nothing changed it's not news.

pagis 2016-01-19 13:40
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
we still have 3 days and some hours left to end of this week!

kibet85 2016-01-19 13:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
https://together.jolla.com/question/...-early-access/

pichlo 2016-01-19 13:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pagis (Post 1495435)
we still have 3 days and some hours left to end of this week!
Not that it is going to make any difference :p

Quote:
Originally Posted by kibet85 (Post 1495436)
Hmm, wrong thread? That is not news about the tablet, is it?

BTW, still no copy&paste in the browser.

Entry3 2016-01-19 14:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
New blog post:
https://blog.jolla.com/taalojarvi_early_access/

but just a software update....

No news regarding the tablet

rcolistete 2016-01-19 14:23
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1495423)
Which again is true for the time BEFORE the phone was out which was more than 3 years ago. What about "for tablet" update?
Go read and understand how much time and money Google and Apple spent to do the "tablet update" for Android and iOS.

mscion 2016-01-19 14:31
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Entry3 (Post 1495441)
New blog post:
https://blog.jolla.com/taalojarvi_early_access/

but just a software update....

No news regarding the tablet
Hey! Maybe we're next in line!

robthebold 2016-01-19 15:05
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Entry3 (Post 1495441)
New blog post:
https://blog.jolla.com/taalojarvi_early_access/

but just a software update....

No news regarding the tablet
No, there's a couple fixes and updates for the tablet. For some reason . . .

e.g.

Quote:
Tablet: Landscape support for Bluetooth pairing and file transfer dialogs
Not that it's gonna make the tablet finally appear, but both tablet users are gonna love this.

zenecho 2016-01-19 15:05
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1495434)
news is from "new" and as nothing changed it's not news.
Wheres the logic , the "S" is missing

n = north
e = east
w = west
s = south

ZogG 2016-01-19 15:57
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1495442)
Go read and understand how much time and money Google and Apple spent to do the "tablet update" for Android and iOS.
Exactly. Jolla do not need to make same mistakes as they already did those for them before. and stop comparing with someone else. If someone is making mistake it doesn't mean you can do.
if you want to take example - take good ones. Bad ones are not examples but excuses.

chenliangchen 2016-01-19 16:00
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
About to move to a new town and realised I have to change the delivery address, if it will be delivered. Can't stay in the same place long enough to get it. Does Jolla customer service back to work or they were all laid off in financial crisis?

att 2016-01-19 16:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1495461)
About to move to a new town and realised I have to change the delivery address, if it will be delivered. Can't stay in the same place long enough to get it. Does Jolla customer service back to work or they were all laid off in financial crisis?
I have no current personal experience but at least some people have been able to communicate with the customer service based on the posts on this thread.

Dave999 2016-01-19 16:36
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Do you think Jolla remember what thy said about tablet before? Now I'm skeptical we will get news or even invites this week.

Morpog 2016-01-19 17:20
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Image uploaded on TMO by request

rcolistete 2016-01-19 17:25
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1495459)
Exactly. Jolla do not need to make same mistakes as they already did those for them before. and stop comparing with someone else. If someone is making mistake it doesn't mean you can do.
if you want to take example - take good ones. Bad ones are not examples but excuses.
Stop making absurd claims that it is simple to "tablet update" a mobile OS. IT IS NOT. HISTORY SAYS THAT.

Copernicus 2016-01-19 17:29
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1495478)
Nice pic, but man, that is an awful picture-hosting site. Couldn't stop it pushing ads onto my browser. :( Maybe it'd be better to just append a copy of the picture directly into your post? :)

Morpog 2016-01-19 17:40
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1495483)
Nice pic, but man, that is an awful picture-hosting site. Couldn't stop it pushing ads onto my browser. :( Maybe it'd be better to just append a copy of the picture directly into your post? :)
Done, but max allowed size is 620x620

mscion 2016-01-19 17:42
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1495483)
Nice pic, but man, that is an awful picture-hosting site. Couldn't stop it pushing ads onto my browser. :( Maybe it'd be better to just append a copy of the picture directly into your post? :)
I like the rainbow. Is that a good sign?

salyavin 2016-01-19 17:54
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1495487)
I like the rainbow. Is that a good sign?
You could try zooming in and see if there is a pot of gold tablets at the end of the rainbow.

Dave999 2016-01-19 18:18
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
True or false...I leave it up to you.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-wo...share=5bf4aa4e

robthebold 2016-01-19 18:19
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1495487)
I like the rainbow. Is that a good sign?
To me it says that it won't be a flood that prevents me from getting a tablet. Which is good. But it doesn't address plagues of frogs or lack of money. Which is bad.

szopin 2016-01-19 18:26
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1495461)
About to move to a new town and realised I have to change the delivery address, if it will be delivered. Can't stay in the same place long enough to get it. Does Jolla customer service back to work or they were all laid off in financial crisis?
When paying VAT (or other applicable taxes) you will be confirming delivery address, at least I did few months ago. Won't hurt to raise a ticket with their customer service, they might be able to respond in between replying to 420th email/request from the angry crowd, not guaranteed though

mikecomputing 2016-01-19 18:50
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
OnePlus is spaming my email constantly these days.

It seems that company also has financial problems cause it seems not that hard getting their device if someone wants it.

I will not buy it simply because same reason as Farphone. Both those companies seems not to get it: If you want crappy Android you select a bigger company.

Now if those *****s would realise this they should license SailfishOS if they want to sell more phones! How f.... hard is it for them to understand that?

Stupid *****s

Dave999 2016-01-19 18:54
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1495509)
OnePlus is spaming my email constantly these days.

It seems that company also has financial problems cause it seems not that hard getting their device if someone wants it.

I will not buy it simply because same reason as Farphone. Both those companies seems not to get it: If you want crappy Android you select a bigger company.

Now if those *****s would realise this they should license SailfishOS if they want to sell more phones! How f.... hard is it for them to understand that?

Stupid *****s
https://www.soapgoods.com/images/285%20Chill%20Pill.jpg

gerbick 2016-01-19 18:56
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1495509)
OnePlus is spaming my email constantly these days.
I totally had to unsubscribe a while back. When I was prepared to replace my OnePlus One, I couldn't order the OnePlus Two. Now, I could order one, but it's far too late.

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It seems that company also has financial problems cause it seems not that hard getting their device if someone wants it.
Their invitation system totally sucks.

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I will not buy it simply because same reason as Farphone. Both those companies seems not to get it: If you want crappy Android you select a bigger company.
I'd argue you just want one that works well, is supported well... and so far that list doesn't always include the bigger companies. Especially Samsung who's getting sued for not giving updates reliably.

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Now if those *****s would realise this they should license SailfishOS if they want to sell more phones! How f.... hard is it for them to understand that?
At this moment, Sailfish is a hard sell for anybody that's not in that scene already.

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Stupid *****s
I genuinely love your posts.

szopin 2016-01-19 18:56
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1495509)
OnePlus is spaming my email constantly these days.

It seems that company also has financial problems cause it seems not that hard getting their device if someone wants it.

I will not buy it simply because same reason as Farphone. Both those companies seems not to get it: If you want crappy Android you select a bigger company.

Now if those *****s would realise this they should license SailfishOS if they want to sell more phones! How f.... hard is it for them to understand that?

Stupid *****s
Licensing deal would be a 'deal' (LTS, myriad licensing, here maps and their devs, MS for exchange etc), they went with community support, works for them and those few SFOS fanatics that will buy their phone to have updated HW with their poison of choice


Related:
https://twitter.com/vgrade/status/689476494351970306
Martin Brook ‏@vgrade 8h8 hours ago

"Its working awesome. No issues/complaints as of now" #sailfishos @oneplus
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/s...#post-14410293 …

szopin 2016-01-19 19:48
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Oh and btw, all the complainers how the UI should be scalable/tabletable from the start, here is a video of SFOS 1.0 working on an 'unsupported' resolution 1920x1080, which required so much reworking as it was not scalable at all, but somehow first port works/displays nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zh3VBQqy94
April 2014, Jolla did everything wrong from the start. Guess swipes needed to be adjusted to actual inches pixels represent to be usable on bigger formats, but display resolution independence was there from the start. Maemo/meego was definitely better on the myriad devices it was ported to. Find something else to complain about

Dave999 2016-01-19 20:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
How can poeple pay tax and not get a product or refund? That cant be part of the IGG campaign? What did you pay tax for then? Nothing :eek: I cant see how that is legal even for a crowedfunding? Im Playing the scam card for that.

Right or wrong?

szopin 2016-01-19 20:21
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1495532)
How can poeple pay tax and not get a product or refund? That cant be part of the IGG campaign? What did you pay tax for then? Nothing :eek: I cant see how that is legal even for a crowedfunding? Im Playing the scam card for that.

Right or wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Passenger_Duty
Ever flown from the UK (or stopped there for over 24h)? Then you did (unless you consider air quality in London to be a product). Take the queen to courts
Then you had ecotaxes when entering some european countries (czech republic and hungary iirc?) for their well preserved ecology, though these are no longer applicable after entering the EU I believe. You can tax anything, find the product and refund is the challenge

Dave999 2016-01-19 20:29
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1495535)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Passenger_Duty
Ever flown from the UK (or stopped there for over 24h)? Then you did (unless you consider air quality in London to be a product). Take the queen to courts
Then you had ecotaxes when entering some european countries (czech republic and hungary iirc?) for their well preserved ecology, though these are no longer applicable after entering the EU I believe. You can tax anything, find the product and refund is the challenge
Atleast you get air quality. :D That is also rules you know when you buy your ticket? In Jollas case you got nothing and pay when it's ready to ship...but it's not.

I thought you could only tax purchases.

Stskeeps 2016-01-19 20:30
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1495529)
Oh and btw, all the complainers how the UI should be scalable/tabletable from the start, here is a video of SFOS 1.0 working on an 'unsupported' resolution 1920x1080, which required so much reworking as it was not scalable at all, but somehow first port works/displays nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zh3VBQqy94
We had to glue up so much for just plain FHD. Many problems around the place. It was the beginning of scalability work to bring it to N5.

pycage 2016-01-19 20:43
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1495389)
I maintain that if you have to rewrite the entire UI because your display aspect ratio has changed then you have a serious, fundamental problem with your design.
If you slap a phone app on a tablet it will look like crap (just try running Android 2.x apps on an Android tablet, and you'll see), even though you took care that it scales up properly (pretty easy with QML) and all that. To make it look like a tablet app, you have to redesign your UI. And naturally you only start to think about tablet UI design once there is a tablet on the horizon, especially if you have deadlines to meet and a very very tight budget.

szopin 2016-01-19 20:51
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1495537)
We had to glue up so much for just plain FHD. Many problems around the place. It was the beginning of scalability work to bring it to N5.
Would assume QML (hell even html will align those icons properly) would keep it mostly working. Are there any screenshots of it displaying incorrectly? Was it 800x480 window in top left that was the main screen, or rather some over/underflowing texts? Searched for images of 'nexus5 sailfish' for a while to see any of those, could not find any. Assumed first port was without UI glue (you can see swipes working very badly as bigger screens reqwuires longer ones, but alignment seems like not requiring any tweaking)

pycage 2016-01-19 20:51
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
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Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1495422)
No idea what the Sailfish UI was originally written in, but if it was Qt Widgets then very little can be reused, as its a completely different way of defining UIs.
It was QML on Qt 4.8. It was simply Nemo on a N950 with a custom QML homescreen in the early days. Most parts of the QML could be reused, though. So that was not the issue. But some C++ code needed porting from Qt 4 to Qt 5. Or the PackageKit-Qt bindings which were still missing Qt 5 support at that time as upstream did not bother with Qt 5 yet.

ZogG 2016-01-19 21:09
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1495482)
Stop making absurd claims that it is simple to "tablet update" a mobile OS. IT IS NOT. HISTORY SAYS THAT.
The problem mostly was the same applications running different ratio screens but giving same feeling.
But as there are not much apps on Jolla and android already resolved the problems for android apps. I would ask you - what exactly is the hard part?


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