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I don't know, but I have an even older (and uglier...) video of the SDK image running on an x86 tablet-PC, without much modifications there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIkfaxzIKrM

So on, the 4 August of 2013, Sailfish OS was already able to cope with a native display resolution of 1366*768 without alignment issues or swipes out of the way. Not tested with an higher resolution, and did not checked at the pixel level (for images by example).

However, this is unrelated to the need to adapt applications to be able able to show more contents on a tablet, as it is here only a zoomed in version of the phone, not more.


So yes, it is a good questions to what are the changes they have done regarding dependency to resolution (not trolling here, just being curious).

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Look who's talking.

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Maybe Dave has just been taking the wrong half? ;)

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From what I've heard and the precious few images I've seen, that is exactly the case with SFOS on the tablet ;)

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Any examples? So far, it's not been the case that I've seen.

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So isn't sw for tablet irrelevant given that almost no tablets exists, no tablet venders use it and code Isnt fully open source. So yeah, we can install it but with LOTs of issues...We could do the same with sail 1 as stskeeps sail with lots of tricks?

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I'm sure Jolla will try to get some tablet vendors to produce tablets with Sailfish OS. It remains to be seen how long it takes.

And if we are very lucky they announce this week a tablet vendor partner for Sailfish OS and give us vouchers to buy coming Sailfish OS tablet ;)

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You've removed my smiley indicating that my post was not entirely serious but if you really insist...

https://together.jolla.com/question/...comment-125435
https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?...postcount=3898

Of course, de gustibus non est disputandum. Some people's "looks like crap" may be other people's "most beatiful thing since Snow White".

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Sounds good to me as long as its named jPad.

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Actually... nothing of the sort. I tend to remove smileys from my quoted posts usually. It's a very bad habit but one I tend to do while viewing on desktop. While on mobile, I can't be arsed to do so.

And thanks for the examples. I didn't really get the gist of what you meant but now I do. I agree, the system update system looks horrible in landscape but elsewhere I've seen it in portrait and it's fine. It shouldn't look that awkward... but it does.

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In the spirit of Unlike how about calling it PadJ or Le Pad J

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Le Pad J Sounds excellent. Lets make IT a requriment for jolla.

Le Pad For J

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Le Pad J? That's downright horrific yet meme-worthy.

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Sorry, my bad wording. I meant that I put the smiley there to suggest that my post was not entirely serious and by removing it, you changed the tone. Not that it matters as long as we understand each other.

jPad or variations on the name would be a dead turn-off for me. I vote for Jolla Slate.

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So when are they shipping the tablets?

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SOON :D

...at least 10 characters.

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So we left the conversation in the middle:
What was exactly done to OS to optimize it to tablet?
Why it took a year?
If all $$$ from campaign went to OS development for tablet adaptation, so all those updates during this year were tablet related?
If campaign would fail from start where did Jolla would get the money for OS updates and developments not related to tablet?

In other words if all money from campaign went to OS adaptation for tablet and it took a year, what those changes are, as other updates and changes not related to tablet should be done even if there would be no campaign.
I smell fish in the air :)

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Would the changelog not be the first place you've looked for this information?

2.0 Saimaa changelog... and there's other versions including the latest version 2.0.1.x.

It was a major OS release with many tweaks visible as well as under the hood. Taking a year is not outside the realm of things.

I'll keep it simple. Do I think it was worth 2.5 million dollars? No. But a scalable OS that remedied and perhaps backfilled all of the other issues that 1.0 invariably had... it might prove to be a worthy investment if licensing takes off and manufacturers decide whatever hardware they want to do/use and can do so.

But that matters none to us; we want our tablets we paid for, right? Not the investment into making their OS scalable. The argument that it should have been as such from day one is moot. It's there now. But at the expense of the user backed tablets.

So back to you. What are you asking exactly? Why did it take a year to produce a major update to Sailfish or are you asking why it cost 2.5 million and the tablets?

Or am I misreading what you're inquiring... which is a very possible outcome. And since my words have been taken wrongly in the past; do understand that I'm genuinely curious and wonder what you're inquiring. Thanks in advance.

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I'm sorry, but soon is not soon enough!

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Is it not just a simple case that Jolla had or tried to do several things. ie Pay staff, develop OS 2.O. Design and build a tablet etc etc.

All these things are/were linked.


They had monies from coming from various sources grants, sales? indigogo etc.

This was all linked and used in various ways to achieve their goals.


Sadly the money ran out just a little too soon...


Just think what conversations we would be having now, if they had managed to pull it off!

No one would be asking how that Euro was raised and how it was spent..

so near ....yet so far......

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Coming from you, I'm honored!

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/meme-worthy

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LePad From J Will be SuperbAwesomeDeluxe.

Now when we have the name and the OS we just need a HW company stupid enough to help jolla and ship 10000 tablets for free and in return they can use sailfish for free for 3 years in all devices.

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There was discussion how hard it's to make update to support OS. And that a lot of work was done. So I'm trying to understand what exactly was done for tablet and why it cost so much. I see changelog but i do not see a lot of tablet specific updates, I just see update with most changes not related to tablet. So another question what would Jolla do regarding Os update if they would not get those money for tablet?

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What are the scam bags doing at Jolla office? No news today I fear.

2 days to go.

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I'm quite sure you already knew that. But again... what are you questioning?

Glad you acknowledge this. The question still stands...

200 or so employees, most of them engineers, working on the OS. Working with potential partners, ODM's... trips and consulting as well as revisions and research into future iterations of hardware.

Shipping, sales, consumer support and marketing. It all adds up. As a business owner, I've seen budgets of 2.5 million come and go in under a year and I had less than 30 employees.

This is a good question.

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They are shipping 10,000 little blue tablets to help IGG backers forget about 'TabletGate'.

http://marxoft.co.uk/static/images/m...lla_tablet.jpg

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These ones?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ra_in_Pack.jpg

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We're on the receiving end of those... it seems.

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Cyanide?

Ten characters.

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That's the Bill Pill used by Jolla...

When you eat it you bill for everything.

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Sure, but updates are not related to tablet we were promised to have once a month which is not true for a long time already. So if IGG was an extra money and it was spent on OS presumably on tablet part, i want to understand what is that tablet part, it should be one that hard to miss.
BTW, you can add taxes and cases money that went that way, minus shipping as there was no shipping.
But you should add cost of the "award winning" "reviews" of tablet with back than no adapted app for it or you include those in marketing?

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Burden of proof is on you for this one. The very last update, folks are complaining about how the tablet got updates without any real amount of tablets out there and the phones were ignored.

Which is it? 2.0.1.7 updated tablet features or it did not? I'd say that it did - the complaints are hard to ignore (see above).

There's a much better way to ask this question. Perhaps this is one of them?

And if that is the case, there was somewhat of a breakdown of costs posted before - as shown here. You want specifics, I'd suggest going to the source. Makes better sense to me.

They shipped out phones still. There was shipping. You're just isolating the tablets - and there was shipments of those too.

No, I shouldn't add the cost of that. But to be "award winning", you do have to ship a product. That bolsters my argument, not yours though. Not sure you meant to do that intentionally.

At the end, circular, masturbatory conversations as such start to inevitably force me to question if you've run a business with more than just a few deliverables and/or pieces to that "puzzle". Running a business is not a mystery, but it's a lot more complex than the questions being asked and covered here.

I'd rather acknowledge that more than our general curiosities that center around our disappointment for not receiving our tablets we paid for via IGG. I totally get that. But your line of questioning doesn't really address that. In fact, there's answers for your questions.

But will that be enough? Will those answers to your questions be enough to stop this circular pattern you've found yourself in or will there be yet another added wrinkle and/or line of questioning.

The costs have been broken down - Jolla was already in a hole and needed funding. The IGG funding was lesser than the third round of funding by an order of magnitude. It was delayed, the money that was shifted over to continued development hadn't arrived yet and thus they "gambled" - something a lot of startups do unfortunately. And that gamble came up short for our tablets.

The OS has gone from 1.1.x to 2.0.1.x in that same time. It's scaled not only up for a different screen resolution, but also to a different ISA as well too. And did so in the last year with their prior set of workers/engineers/staff. Some of that staff didn't even get paid once Jolla gambled in the way that they did - investing the IGG money forward and covering what was to be incoming.

**** happens. What else needs to be said?

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I wonder how much Alien Dalvik munched for the updated (4.4) tablet runtime that didn't make it to the phones...

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Anyone know if Jolla attending MWC this year?

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I think I read somewhere that Jolla does not have own stand but Jolla is part of Intex stand.

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Anyone knows if Intex got a sailfish tablet at the stand?

1 day to go Jolla...but this looks promising:)

https://twitter.com/jollahq/status/690079135729868800

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'around the corner' is just another way to say... sooooon

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Cybette seems to have got a job at Red Hat.

https://twitter.com/cybette?lang=en

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Their nautical theme is slipping, should've been 'just over the horizon'