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All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
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Do You Have the Symptoms listed bellow on your N900? Don’t feel like Nokia have done anything to resolve the issue since reported on 2010-01-31? Sick of waiting and want to contribute ideas and maybe a fix for this issue?
_______________Symptoms_______________ *You Media player widget play button stop working *you lost all of your widgets for no reason *you have high CPU usage *your home screen is unresponsive *your N900 comes slow and jerky after a few days *your N900 battery starts to drain fast until you restart ________________________________________ _______________Problem_______________ * PR1.2 was seriously delayed for many reasons but one of those reasons which is still not fixed is this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8723 . This bug is the main cause of the above symptoms. (there are many other bug reports) ________________________________________ _______________Evidence_______________ This is a quote from chemist (Linux 2x debian stable 1x testing ) who can confirm this was a delay justification but the issue has by no means gone away and will never go away until you get a new device. Don’t plan on nokia to fix it as a bad widget will bring the issue right back again. Quote:
___________________________________ _______________My FIX – Idea points_______________ -Points of proposal- 1: Create a new hildon process called ‘hildon-widget’ 2: Separate widgets from hildon-home completely 3: Layer of hildon-home and multiple instances of hildon-widget 4: Each individual widget owns an instance of hildon-widget and doesn't affect any other instance as currently a widget breaks, the whole phone breaks and a restart won’t fix it. 5: A widget using a instance of hildon-widget starts to break due to bugs, memory leaks, high CPU usage and hangs it auto restart’s a fresh copy of hildon-widget with the widget back on the screen automatically without the user being aware. 6: When a widget does crash and restarts itself, it dump’s information into an event log so it can easily be debugged or redeveloped. No more looking around for weeks on end. Know what I mean? Maybe someone can code this? This just puts me off if I was a developer as I would be worried to develop widgets. Anything I develop might seriously hinder the device. It should be about promoting the open source community not scaring it into moving away from it. What are we supposed to do just not use widgets? Not make phone calls? Wait for the screen to stop showing a black screen before I answer a call? Re-launch the media widget every day?? Let’s face it Nokia will not fix this issue so it’s up to us. what do you guys think?? impossible?? nothing is impossible!! _______________My FIX – Visual representation_______________ |
Re: All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
Thanks for all your effort on this. So basically you're proposing process separation for all hildon-desktop widgets? I agree that should improve stability. I worry slightly that it might use a few more resources.
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Re: All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
maybe someone with skills can expand on it
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Re: All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
thanks, just now all my widgets are gone for no reason again, third time today. bloody hell whats going on.
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Re: All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
like i said before. dont ever expect this issue to be fixed. their stance on this issue is its 'our fault'
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Re: All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
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Wanting some cool widget hot from the developers fingertips is ok as long as you, as the end user, is prepared to be a guinea pig. Sadly this is also true for some of the Nokia code... Regarding your suggestion, I think it might be a little too costly to have separate processes, as in one per widget. Threading, on the other hand, would be much more interesting. This way, the main widget process would be able to kill threads at its leasure if need be without the added cost of having a whole new process. Separating the different widgets from eachother is a good idea. |
Re: All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
i did some googling and my idea is not new.
Read the bellow articles. ______________________________________________ 1: Programming Konfabulator Widgets http://fb2.hu/x10/Articles/ProgrammingWidgets.html Quote:
2: Opera Widgets for Desktop Labs release http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog...se?startidx=50 Quote:
Opera 10.50 features http://mobi-planet.net/viewthread.php?tid=1870 Quote:
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3: Firefox https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Fea...ng:Performance Quote:
im also sure that yahoo widgets run separate process to |
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However, once it's there, it doesn't really require that much more resources than a thread would. Also, how many widgets are people going to have? 10? 50? Not a big deal, just look at the amount of processes that currently runs on your N900. (ok, some of them actually are only threads) Also, using threads would not solve the problem, since multiple threads within single process still live under same memory address space, i.e. can still trivially screw up each other. Quote:
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Re: All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
As hildon-desktop is open source, I wonder what the chances are of the community implementing something like this? Would any code be needed to be changed in the widgets? If widget code had to change then that might scupper this idea, as we cannot modify closed-source Nokia widgets.
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Re: All widgets gone for no reason? home screen is unresponsive? Media player widget play button stop working? My Idea
Haha. Not a very constructive post, I know, but this reminds me of something that happened to me last week.
I was viewing a screenshot of my desktop in the gallery, something distracted me so I put the phone down to go check it out. When I came back it had gone into standby mode, pulled the lock switch down tapped my email shortcut and...........:eek: WTF is going on here? Tapping the screen like a demented chimp until I realised what was happening. But anyway, back on topic. I used to get disappearing widgets before PR1.2 and when I went to replace them the menu was full of "Cairo" stuff. Happened a couple of times after PR1.2 but discovered it was one of the widgets that was causing it. Not seen the problem since. |
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