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New Jolla blog about Rostelecom investment in SailfishOS

https://blog.jolla.com/new-strategic...ilfish-family/

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Well if they got more support and funding hopefully they do more full feature fledged updates!!! and actually offer SailfishOS on wider range of devices.

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And finish the refund program once and for all.

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Future will tell.
On one side; politically there are arguments that could be debated.

On the other side, tho, they seem to be the only ones who believe in SailfishOS at the moment.

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I don’t mind taking my refund in roubles :D

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People on blog.jolla.com say Rostelecom claims to have bought jolla on their website.

https://www.rostelecom.ru/press/news/d443012

Can somebody clarify if this is true?
If so I wonder what path Sailfish will follow from now on.

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It seems that Finland, Germany and EU in general had a change with Jolla to build up proper 3 option for Global markets. We had a change to build ecosystem which would be more private and now it's seems that's is slipping away.
Problem has still been that Jolla has never been totally open so in hands of Russia....

So I recommend everyone to start supporting Purism Librem 5.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ghlight=purism

It seems to be only real option now. At least for me.

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EU made so many stupid regualtions about most ridiculous things but when it comes to tech, they simply let everything go to toilet drain. Sure, keeping ST Ericsson and such alive on residents budget would not be very welcomed. But now we are in a situation that if someone builds a wall around EU we can't make even a microvawe let alone something rellly advanced since CPUs and all other most important bits comes from non EU countries and companies.

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Spot on. Nokia's demise was the kulprit of all of this.
the de-industrialization of Europe as such was a complete Far-west; no rules, no parachutes, just a straight fall to the bottom (and all of us took a toll).

About jolla's rostelekom; it makes sense for rostelekom to have a stake in jolla, in order to secure SailfishOS RUS gets the rightful attention. I do not see how this would affect the currently opensourced components (except for not upstreaming).

There are alternatives to the currently closed-sourced components (glacier for example); and for Jolla MER is a key technology.
What I am saying is, anyone with pockets could come up wiht "another" SailfishOS; more easily than it was 5 years ago, and leverage the existing work forged into MER (compatibility with devices etc).

In the end (for jolla) it all boils down to the strategy caulderon: if Pienimäki has the right cards, and plays them well.

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For me not a problem receiving my refund in roubles ;-)

I think that Purism/Librem never ever at no time would make a product You can buy and held in Your hands.

Nothing now and in the past gave me a sign that there would be more than hot air.

Who has a problem with Russia/Rostelekom can sell his phone and try any other platform.
I am tired of listing that Russia is sooo bad, no freedom and much more. Can we please be more optimistic and enjoy and gratulate Jolla for surviving and a more clear future than before.

Europe has not passed its opportunities. The politicians are not so unintelligent and uninformed as we talk here all the time.

This IS THE PLAN to do nothing and stay in the dependencies from the US. They have all the knowledge we have here and maybe much more. So I think this is a decision in the EU and not a miss.

A BIG toast for the new investor and all the possibilites Jolla has now.

Russia shows us how to make strategic decisions and also to DO IT!

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Malebo, from the French community, shared another article (http://jollafr.org/photos-du-stand-j...mment-204445):
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3572050

Here is an excerpt from google translate :So they are taking it seriously !

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Did I understand it right; this is a white-listed software group?
As in, apps which will be allowed/preferred (over competitive choices) to run on the SailfishOS RUS?
If that's the case it means huge entrance barriers for non-russian devs..

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I did not understand it like that, but the article was translated from russian so it would be better to have someone speaking russian confirming.

Anyway, as I understand it, it is not for every app, only for apps used in state and municipal purchases. So for the "government" or "public auctions market" level.

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@Coderus! Help us

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I just seen that James Noori left a comment on the blog post to answer that : https://blog.jolla.com/new-strategic...ilfish-family/

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Guys. Follow the money. Who do you really think running the show?

Russian have been biggest investor since 1,5 years and even some initial dudes like founders probably owning a majority share in jolla oy but they can’t do anything without money so Russians running the show.

Could be a reason why they stopped pushing refunds. :mad:

Check please!

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Dave, im surprised! Could be a reason why they stopped the tablet in the first place?

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What the puck are you talking about?

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spasiba!
Great image. If it was me sending the message to jolla support it would be more like: what happened with the refund program?

On a more serious note....
What’s your take on this takeover? Especially when it comes to refund but also new devices and independent OS?

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+1

@Dave666, can there be anything more serious than your Tablet refund? ;)

This TJC thread (and sources linked there) sheds some light on this.

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Doesn’t give answers. It’s just hit and miss answers as far as I can see. It’s all up in the air. The image above summarizing the threads and blog post pretty well.

We just have to wait and see how this turns out, best thing being a jolla supporter is that you have to wait a lot, mostly for nothing. :

If North Korea is next strategic partner it would be awesome...

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“Rostelecom says to rename OS Sailfish to reflect Russian identity”

https://mobile.twitter.com/stskeeps/...01919456235521

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I bet it'll be something catchy like МСВС 5.0 ЦАВМ.11004-01 изм. 7.

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My vote for vodkaOS ...

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This happens, I'm supporting.

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But from the article I understand they have the control of Sailfish OS RUS, so just the one for russia and not on the whole company.

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where is that stated? they just mention sailfish multiple times, once with rus and once without.

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and there is a more detailed answer in a comment on TJC.

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To know if that matters we have to know the setup of the structure. What company has the money, owns the sailfish and so forth.

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"Clarify"? If anything, it muddies the waters even more. So, what is the answer? Is Sailfish now controlled by FSB or not? The TJC quote did not fill me with confidence at all.

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i wrote detailed, james used clarify everything ;)

What i can take from the comment is:

a) Jolla Ltd. HK and Jolla Oy FI are seperate entities and Rostelecom owns majority of Jolla HK now.

b) OMP ≠ Rostelecom

c) OMP is not an investor but a licensee.
Don't know why that had to be outlined, but there might have been explicit questions regarding OMP.

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sounds to me like:
find a wording that seems to clarify but in the end tells nothing (finally).
Normal company/business behaviour. Not worth a single word...
so what am I doing here? ;)

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Not sure how it adds anything to the name change, and why he had to "sync" anything up, as this comment was just copied to the letter from an answer James himself made to the blog post days before:
https://blog.jolla.com/new-strategic...ilfish-family/ (search for the comment by James Noori on March 22, 2018 at 5:16 pm).
It was mentioned a few pages before: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=15

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Yes, I know. It is difficult to quote a quote when not on a proper PC (it would be "almost impossible" in a Sailfish browser; this Android tablet I am currently using makes it merely "very difficult" ;)).

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Still, to completely clarify:
No complete clarification happend also imo.
Proven by the point you all are able to pull valid questions quickly :)

Maybe we will see a clarification of the clarification with your helpfull remarks. Poor James, a Sisyphos style task.

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so, Jolla at its best when it comes to communication :rolleyes:

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I agree; the answer given does not include the list of stake holders in Jolla Oy (info which should probably be easy to find with 5 €)

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I don't see what people are worried about?

https://www.google.si/amp/s/www.wire...p-telegram/amp