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RasLikesN9 2018-10-04 16:03

U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
I'm curious if any U.S.-based users of Sailfish X received the presidential alert text message yesterday. With phones all around me going off, mine did not. Nor did my wife's or son's who also use Sailfish X. We have T-Mobile service.

I rather felt like it was a nice privacy thing and it was great to explain to everyone that I have a different, independent phone O/S than everyone else around me who received that text and couldn't opt out of it. I question, however, whether I am technically accurate in my on-the-spot assertion that it's because I have Sailfish on my phone that I didn't receive the text. That is why I pose the question here.

nieldk 2018-10-04 17:12

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
That may very well be an open TODO with ofono, seems not all modems are patched to work with CMAS in ofono code

marxistvegan 2018-10-04 17:58

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
I have AT& T and I did not receive the alert, rather happy about that :)

That being said it probably would be a good thing for local alerts as they do send flood warnings and others on an opt-in basis.

Dave999 2018-10-04 18:15

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Trumps Twitter or what does he broadcast on the channel? I think it’s more likely to get a message from Putin. Sailfish is Russian and not independent.

peterleinchen 2018-10-04 19:37

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
So the question is:
what 'important' text did you miss? ;)

peterleinchen 2018-10-04 19:46

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1549131)
That may very well be an open TODO with ofono, seems not all modems are patched to work with CMAS in ofono code

Are these messages not just plain old 'cell broadcast' messages?
Symbian and Nokias S40 had that (also my Siemens) but it was not really used/supported by German providers...

see the link from wolke in other thread
Quote:

Originally Posted by wolke (Post 1549129)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Emergency_Alerts

in addition to now allowing the president of the united states of america to send dic pics, it also sends out Amber Alerts (for missing children)

anyone know anything about WEA? it would be nice to have on SFOS. probably.


mscion 2018-10-04 21:18

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marxistvegan (Post 1549132)
I have AT& T and I did not receive the alert, rather happy about that :)

That being said it probably would be a good thing for local alerts as they do send flood warnings and others on an opt-in basis.

Was wondering. While you didn't get the presidential alert, do you get Amber alerts? For those that do not know, it is used in all 50 states of US to alert folks about possible abduction of children. Maybe something equivalent in Europe and elsewhere?

deprecated 2018-10-04 21:21

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Xperia X, latest official, T-Mobile US (prepaid). I did not receive the notification, and I was rather disappointed. I had been awaiting the message since I heard about it!

daperl 2018-10-04 22:21

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
sadly, yes

deprecated 2018-10-05 01:39

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1549144)
sadly, yes

On Sailfish? How, exactly? Nobody else has gotten the messages as far as I can tell. It seems to be a limit of ofono. How did you get around said limitation?

marxistvegan 2018-10-05 03:21

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1549142)
Was wondering. While you didn't get the presidential alert, do you get Amber alerts? For those that do not know, it is used in all 50 states of US to alert folks about possible abduction of children. Maybe something equivalent in Europe and elsewhere?

No to amber alerts too. When I did have an android device it was something that i could turn off or on, I dont see those options in Sailfish

RasLikesN9 2018-10-05 04:03

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
No, none of us in my family have received any alerts - no Amber alerts, no weather alerts, no regional emergency alerts. The only "alert" I ever get is when it's time to pay my T-Mobile bill. :) I'm sure *that* one will *always* come through.

I can understand how some people could use those alerts and perhaps raising this question here will help someone at Jolla to fix this. I didn't think this was a U.S.-only thing, but perhaps it's another "Group MMS" issue that the rest of the world handles a different way?

RasLikesN9 2018-10-05 04:09

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1549133)
Trumps Twitter or what does he broadcast on the channel? I think it’s more likely to get a message from Putin. Sailfish is Russian and not independent.

It was the first test of an emergency broadcast that the President would feel everyone would need to know immediately. On the local news they said it would be for things like notification of a nuclear attack or something, because otherwise the notices would be more localized for things like floods, as someone mentioned above.

While I'm replying to a message of yours for the first time, I must say that I often get a chuckle from your location. Every time I read that quote, I don't know if it's from somewhere else, but I hear it from the Robot Chicken Star Wars rap from years ago and the next thing I say in my head is, "I'll blow your planet up!" That would also be a reason for the presidential emergency text message.

nieldk 2018-10-05 05:39

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1549138)
Are these messages not just plain old 'cell broadcast' messages?
Symbian and Nokias S40 had that (also my Siemens) but it was not really used/supported by German providers...

see the link from wolke in other thread

Well, yes, they are SMS messages, but they are routed in carrier networks thru dedicated network, to allow overriding for example Prsidential alerts to be recieved no matter whatever setting user have applied. So, the device MUST utilize support for CMAS. Looking at ofono sources, this have been a TODO item since 2010. With certain patches for a number of modems. Not sure about Qualcom modem state there.

An example

https://www.mail-archive.com/ofono@o.../msg17721.html

nthn 2018-10-05 12:12

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1549137)
So the question is:
what 'important' text did you miss? ;)

According to the picture attached to this article, it just said "THIS IS A TEST of the National Wireless Emergency Alert System. No action is needed", so nothing particularly interesting.

It seems like 'presidential alert' is not actually the official name, and so it's probably more innocent than it sounds at first. I'm sure whoever invented it had nothing but the best intentions, still, I wonder who gets to decide what gets sent and when (according to the linked article: "the law also states that users cannot opt out of the presidential alerts, which are issued at the direction of the president — or someone he designates, or both — and executed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency"). What better way could there be to spread propaganda than through a message that all citizens of the country must read? And what could ever be so important that all citizens of a country that spans nearly ten million km² must know about it at once?

Edit: Honestly, the only thing I can think of is an all-out attack by evil Plutonians.

deprecated 2018-10-05 14:31

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
The Presidential alert SMS system was devised under Obama. I think it's a good thing to have for national alerts, in the event of disaster or BOLO (in the case of someone sending ricin to the SecDef a few days ago). It might've been designed as a propaganda tool, but I doubt that's what it'll be used as under the current administration. After all, CNN et al are just CIA mouthpieces (Operation Mockingbird), so they've got the propaganda thing handled pretty well already .

mscion 2018-10-05 19:43

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
I dunno... Not being able to get warnings about, abducted children, tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, nuclears attacks or Presidential alerts for any reason on device with Sailfish OS worries me. Makes me wonder if there is some conspiracy or collusion going on...

Dave999 2018-10-05 20:01

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
I see absolutely no reason to implement this. Sailfish is not for US anyway.

Overseas Alert

THIS IS A TEST of the Fort Knox Emergency Alert System. You may remain in Vault until November.

mscion 2018-10-05 20:45

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1549180)
I see absolutely no reason to implement this. Sailfish is not for US anyway.

Overseas Alert

THIS IS A TEST of the Fort Knox Emergency Alert System. You may remain in Vault until November.

Yes. Good point. Well, I'm just using taobao (possibly yours) tablet anyways.

Dave999 2018-10-05 20:58

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1549181)
Yes. Good point. Well, I'm just using taobao (possibly yours) tablet anyways.

Half of mine since I got half of the refund back! And donated 1/4 to jolla to help me refund someone else :D

But how do you plan to get the oversees Alert on the tablet?

nthn 2018-10-05 22:16

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1549172)
The Presidential alert SMS system was devised under Obama. I think it's a good thing to have for national alerts, in the event of disaster or BOLO (in the case of someone sending ricin to the SecDef a few days ago). It might've been designed as a propaganda tool, but I doubt that's what it'll be used as under the current administration. After all, CNN et al are just CIA mouthpieces (Operation Mockingbird), so they've got the propaganda thing handled pretty well already .

It seems like you read some things in my post that weren't there. I could not care less which buffoon is the big guy of the United States at any point in time.

juiceme 2018-10-06 16:33

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
So, did anybody check the ofono logs when such a message is received; I believe it could help to see the incoming message structure.

nieldk 2018-10-06 18:19

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1549191)
So, did anybody check the ofono logs when such a message is received; I believe it could help to see the incoming message structure.

Should we ask POTUS for assistance

rob_kouw 2018-10-07 18:23

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
There is a similar service in The Netherlands, NL-Alert. Maybe the same thing? It does not work on SailfishX, as far as I know.
According to the description NL-Alert is based on cell broadcast, http://www.cellbroadcastforum.org/whatisCB/

Found an article on TJC: https://together.jolla.com/question/...dcast-support/
Seems implemented in ofono. Apparently waiting for some volunteer to code it...

Dave999 2018-10-07 18:27

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
I guess most countries have it. Both on nationwide range and more local range. But I want Trumps notification when the Aliens attack to be able to mount a proper defense.

Why not use good old frequencies to send messages?

Markkyboy 2018-10-08 08:31

Re: U.S. users, did you receive Presidential Text?
 
POTUS ? = Piece Of Totally Useless Sh*t?


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