Maemo Discord Channel
 

Join the Maemo Discord channel:
https://discord.gg/T3SVgKw

Hope to see you soon!

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I can't hit the "Thanks button" enough for this ingenious idea of HtheB's
I HIGHLY suggest and recommend ....especially for the "Newmo's" who have joined ...to go first to discord and they can get assistance more easily and readily than waiting for someone to notice a post here and reply.

It would go a long way to cleaning up redundant and non relevant posts and threads here...

Not to mention Discord is pretty freakin' cool and slick and easy to use.
A MASSIVE step up from IRC
Think of IRC on steroids and psychotropic mushrooms.

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More people are joining in, glad that this will work out.
Need to add some stuff on the server, like a FAQ with links to useful stuff.

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What’s the benefit? Is it for gamers?

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I concur. What for you may be The Next Best Thing Ever™ is for me Yet Another Thing™ (that may die in three months). What was wrong with the channels we had already? How is fragmentation and diluting resources supposed to be good?

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Discord actually started for gamers indeed. But that's not the case anymore.

There are some good advantages on Discord, like a few of them:

• - Easily read back log, even if you're not logged in (no need to check different sources of logs)
• - Simple login to your account using a browser.
• - Also has clients for Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android and iOS.
• - Build in (extremely good quality) VOIP, handy for group talking discussions and meetings.
• - Direct file sharing to the group or personally.
• - Pin important messages so everyone can easily read important things, like announcements
• - Push messages for mobiles, so much less battery drain than using IRC.
• - No hassle with BNC's
• - No need to find channels, as all the channels on that server are visible already.
• - It's freakin' almost 2019, don't stay behind (:

The people who already uses Discord, knows what I'm talking about (:

Some of the problems with the normal channels at the moment:

• - Reading backlogs can be painful.
• - IRC is not for everyone.
  (If someone sees everybody as themselves: Please remove the horse goggles and look around, not everyone is technical and knows how to use IRC and it's commands).
• - This means a wider audience can be achieved more easily.
• - You need to find the right channels for the right topic.

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You may well be right, but in just the past two years, our company changed the internal communication medium six times. I am sick and tired of this "hey guys, look, I found a new thing, let's all switch to it right now" trend. That attitude may appeal to teenagers, but, sadly, I am well beyond that life stage. In fact I am closer to the grave than to my teenage years ;)

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For a FOSS community Discord isn't very FOSS...
There is also the possibility of Discord taking the same fate as OpenFeint

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welll...
This whole freakin' place for the last ump-tine years now has hardly been a still pond...
Every day I turn around a half dozen times reading the latest posts here about "the latest device" , "the latest app" , "the latest whatever"
I am royally sick of that shiny-bauble-chasing crow-like behavior that has inundated Talk here.

As far as a debate between IRC , and a better "shell" to utilize the same function, but with more ease of use (ESPECIALLY for new folks), and more interactive functions, doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I RARELY go to IRC for most of the same reasons as has been expressed ..
So something a bit more user friendly ...
Especially when playing catch-up and reading logs...
with a clean interface that is gentler on the eye...
suits me ducky.


As far as it not being FOSS enough...
How many devices does everyone have here that are purely FOSS?
I know mine aren't.
or rather what is on them isn't totally FOSSy...
I limit what I do have that isn't FOSS and use alternatives when I can and when they become available , and
at one point in time I did have hopes it could be done, to not have any unFOSSy crap on my devices,

But
I couldn't go completely FOSS back in the day and I certainly can't now.
Not and do what I need ...and get it done...work wise , personal banking, etc.

FOSS works fine on an "extra" device or laptop or pc...

But realistically the rest of the world expects interaction based on nonFOSSy crap.

So I just have to reject the whole "100% FOSS" belief.

As far as illegalities occurring with Discord and it suffering the same fate as Openfeint ...
Anything is possible.

If there is a more stable and similar alternative to Discord , then lets explore that possibility,
But fearing it will suffer the same fate as something else is premature.

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Actually there are FOSS alternatives to Discord ...if that is the ultimate desire...
Security and privacy.
(and personally I am ALL for that ...so that option should be explored and migration to said best alt is a sane option.)

-Matrix.org
-Retroshare
-Riot.im
and
-Tox

I haven't checked any of them out, but all are free open sauce alts to Discord.

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I do not give a monkey's whether it is FOSS, MOSS or BOSS. Can they talk to each other? Can I use Dross or whatever the newest hit of the month is called and chat with my sister in Italy who uses Skype, my boss in the UK who uses Whatsapp and my colleague in the US who uses Slack? No? Then I am not interested. I already have three things to worry about. I do not need four.

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I took a quick look at Matrix.
You can find a Webclient here:
https://riot.im/app

It seems similar to Discord, IRC gateways are already implemented and @picholo it seems you can even bridge to Slack and Skype if you really want to. ;)
https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq

What I am not sure of yet: Can you look at the history of IRC bridged channels? At least for the #bitcoin channel it dosn't seem to work.

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Sooooo...
Didn't bother to "actually" look at any of them then pichlo?
Yes?
If you had bothered to glance...
just at matrix ...as was mentioned...
you get all you want in one place instead of using multiple comm methods now...
there you go Mr Cranky Pants pichlo ...
:D

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Discord is a pompous tool which in my opinion eats to much resources, that's why I will always prefer mumble over discord for gaming.

BTW I have discord installed but I will only running it if I really need it for some communication. I don't think I will join the maemo channel.
I have skype, teamspeak, mumble, discord, irc and telegram but using these as a support channel only after a phone call or an email [1] conversation.

But in general it is good to have more possibilities. So I think it is nice to have a maemo discord channel.
Some disadvantage could be that information will be more spreaded.
I don't care as long the news get still posted in our forum.
But I could also think that you maybe need to ask your questions in the discord channel, on irc and in the forum, because it could be that sometimes you will only get an answer by only one method. How is the lifetime, where are the chat data stored? IRC proofed to have a long lifetime.

What is wrong with IRC and our nice answering bot :)? Ok no push messages but do you have 24/7 time to answer in maemo channel? When I have some time I look in the irc logs and in the forum and I don't want to get push messages all the time:eek:
When there is something I could answer I log into irc or into the forum.

I doubt you will get a faster answer with discord, and I wish that I am wrong.

[1]Wiki link to e-mail, maybe not all people know this anymore it is quite handy. Sure you need to invest more time to configure it, as compared to only push a button to send your phone number but it is doable. Also from your communication there will be no money generated, if you use the right service. Sounds interesting or?

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When somebody can't find out how to connect to an IRC channel and use IRC, how they could solve difficult problems with Maemo? Maemo is linux .... So I would guess to advanced for somebody who can't use irc.
I would say it is the lack of impulse and the laziness.

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Well beleive it or not many people like linux based os's, like terminal, etc but still dont prefer irc, im one of them, it has nothing to do with laziness i just dont like it, or maybe ive only used crap clients for android, can anyone recommend me a user friendly irc client for android so i cany give it a try again?. That said i dont think there any benefit at all for maemo community channel to be on discord, because its just not active enough, forum/wiki suits it fine.

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I "did not bother to look" at many things. Smoking pot. Spinning my own threads to make my clothes. Living in a log cabin in Manitoba. Driving a submarine. The four new applications I only just heard about for the first time. There are not enough hours in the day to "look at" everything. One needs to prioritise.

Now that I know it "may" be worth my while to look at at least one of them, I may.

Yup, that's me. In the flesh :D

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Well Mr Cranky pants ...If you used matrix for your one stop all you need comm with everyone...
why you would have even more free time to kick those durn kids off yur lawn...
:D

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Firstly, let me thank you for your efforts. I will occasionally pop up on IRC but not very often. I don't know all the command but a decent IRC client takes care of that, so I see the use of a service like discord.

I also see the point regarding fragmentation of the user community (or what remains of it) as a potential issue. I can see an issue with having to send people back and forth to different services to get answers putting off potential new users.

So the way I see this going would be to use discord/ServiceXYZOfChoice as a test bed. Get some feedback, have a look at benefits and drawbacks after a defined period of time testing. Are we getting new members either only on discord, tmo or both? Are we getting feedback regarding issues with discord features or usability? Do we have cries to support SomeOtherService as well/instead? Can we consolidate services using a Riot.im service running on maemo.org?

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Very serious and very valid points made.

Foresight is forewarned...
whatever we implement ..if we implement ...
we must strictly utilize it so it does not fracture our community ...

Although my only counter arguments are...
has IRC liberated communications for Maemo Talk or has it split and made others leave one for the other...?

If it has or if it hasn't I do not see as relevant, IF a new and innovative service allows bridging between multiple services, then it binds everyone together just as close as now, if not closer., if not better.

And so back to to the noted foresight.
Whatever service is to be chosen should be done on those principals, to bind together better what already we have, so there is no dissemination, only greater harmony.

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With regards to IRC, generally speaking, a lot of the talk has been development related, not necessarily relevant to the wider audience. As a result, I see no issue with it used for that purpose. Compared to tmo or discord, it is more technical. The other thing is that logs are available for those who want to catch up part way through a conversation, something you don't get with a WhatsApp group for example.

I know some projects, kernel for example, make much more use of mailing lists. The view by thread is handy for separating topics but trying to find everything using most of the web interfaces I've seen is a pain. Hard to explain but even the view by thread option usually has branches I suppose if you reply to a reply instead of the original message.

I do like the idea of Riot bridges between formats/ clients. Let people communicate how they feel comfortable whilst trying to remove fragmentation.

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Then what do you suggest folks should use? Please be specific.

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Why? If I pick up a phone and call my sister in Italy, or even if I call my wife who is on a different mobile network than I, we use infrastructure from different companies. But we can still talk to each other.

I am bemoaning the lack of similar interoperation between different chat solutions. Skype cannot talk to Whatsit, Slack cannot talk to IRC... Why? I don't understand it. As far as I can see, they are all different implementations of the same thing. Like different phone networks.

I say, we do not need Yet Another One™. We need to push the existing ones towards more integration. Then it would not matter which one you choose.

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I don't internet at home (using my phone to tether) so I can't set up a server to bridge Discord and IRC. Can someone help us here?
At least the gap would be much less using a bridge

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So no real commitment to answering my question. Got it.

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Oh I think pichlo answered it...
The fact is some HAVE figured out a way, ie: matrix, to bring the disparate methods of comm together.
It is just that pichlo is expecting everyone to do just that, and that is just not about to happen, and until they all do, pichlo is bemoaning that fact (forget that there is solution ...bemoaning is fun)

So the bemoaning continues (a word used too little frankly...a general bemoaning thread should be created)

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We're going to have to disagree here. I see a lot of protesting for protest sake and absolutely nothing really to add to something akin to a solution except a move towards more esoteric options that aren't exactly full featured but "work"...

I've attempted to use Matrix in the past. It failed to connect. Perhaps I was too early in its cycle. But I have no patience to wait on something to work given that a lot of these concepts have existed for decades.

Simply put, these things mentioned thus far are not up to snuff in my estimation.

Bemoaning might be fun; bemoaning ad nauseum is just nauseating and produces absolutely nothing. Contrarian behavior for the sake being contrarian is just droll yet tedious.

Have fun! (no sarcasm)

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I do not know what more commitment you may possibly want. Or what your question really is. If you are asking, "which of the hundreds chat solutions is The One", then my answer would have to be, "none of them". I did not see your question as so narrow, though. I had you for more than that.

"Protesting for protest's sake?" Is it how you see it because you are genuinely happy with the current situation or because you have just accepted it as the norm and have not opened your eyes yet to see how bad it is?

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Your initial argument was sound pichlo,
You stated the various platforms you had to use and the waste of time dealing with it all.
Not once did I hear from you, perhaps there is /are now options to make the ordeal of comm easier, to congregate all or most of your disparate comm platforms under a single program,
Not once did you curiously inquire.
Even as to the state of functionality of any that there may be.
In short you apparently are happy to spend however much more time juggling the various comm platforms you are currently using.
Though I do not use as many as you, and so my time is not taken up like yours ..in the doing,
I was curious,
And it took a whole of 2 min searching to find (for the lack of a simpler term) meta comm platforms which I then listed.

When a dillema is presented, and multiple viable options as direct solution, are offered...
And still there is no interest to change or adopt an inclusive solution that could save you time daily...
Then yes. It can definitely be seen as protesting for protest sake.

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You have a point, endso, and I apologise. I will shut up.

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aw ...man...it isn't about shutting up.
THAT is the very LAST thing I want anyone to do at Talk here.
Others may say such things, but as long as no one is instilling hate around here or spreading fake info, I would never tell someone to shut up.
If anything, your argument was great!
it provided lots of humor to work with.
and I can personally be just as determined .
I call it the "mud puddle conundrum"
When one is young and VERY frustrated, and slips and falls on one's butt in a mud puddle, whether alone or with folks watching on,
there are times when one doesn't really want to get up out of the mud puddle....right away anyway.
Little changes when we leave childhood,
the mud puddles of life are still there, and every now and then everyone ends up on their butt in one.
You just were keen on sitting in your mud puddle for a little while there...
that is all.
Many get stubborn and are determined to sit until their butt prunes up.
I get into a "mud puddle conundrum" every now and then, not often, but I spend time there on my arse.

I am considering utilizing one of the various "meta comm options" myself ..
So it amalgamates all the comms I do use into one place so I am not closing one and opening another ...etc...
Or having multiple platforms running chewing resources and battery , just so I don't miss some important communique.

Definitely you with even more juggling than I,
should be considering it for the time saving, resource and battery saving.

Of course it may take a brief learning curve to figure out one of said optional platforms, and as a has already been mentioned by another here, that they tried one of them years ago and it didn't seem ready for primetime then.
So trying out a few and seeing how well they integrate all the disparate services I or you use, is the main thing.
One of the options may handle some of the disparate comms poorly, yet the interface and service excellent.
Another may have a poor gui yet excellent handling of comms

A bit of exploration and a slight learning curve,
for myself if it saves battery and resources, and saves me 10-30 min extra out of my day from bouncing from one to another service ,
then it is worth the brief learning curve and exploration time.

30 min a day saved works out to 7 and 1/2 days per year extra time I recoup to spend doing something else completely different...
like duet yodeling with my dog,
more conversation time my cat is always complaining about,
the list goes on for me.


y'know, if anything, like me and gerbick , you too pichlo may be suffering from the embarrassing itch of "techno angst"
:D
I just realized that,
the 3 of us most assuredly are upset with the general state of tech and how it wastes our time and increasingly demands more, instead of liberating us all the way it is supposed to , the way it has always been promised us all.

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Same level of commitment to protesting perhaps?

It was that narrow. Your "commitment" to "none of them" is about as non-committal as ever. So be it. Let's play this game.

You like IRC. Folks that have no history with it see it as limited. It's not as convenient, prevalent as other applications that do mostly the same thing - offer away to communicate.

Your fight is with something new. Why? Because your beloved choice from over a decade ago still works? If that's the case, I'd still be using ICQ or AIM. Or worse, I'd still be using groups on Usenet still. Both "still work" but are not currently seen as choices by the majority.

Your complaint is against the march of time.

Not going to pull punches here. You are constantly bitching and moaning yet offer nothing to the narrative other than a contrarian, anachronistic, myopic and egocentric view that shows how deeply entrenched you are to the argument as opposed to the solution. Any solution.

So yes. You doth protest too much.

I am happy with change. How I used a computer today is vastly different than when I used one a decade ago. Or the decade before that. Or the decade before that.

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Sorry guys, I just want to say the last few words and then I will really shut up as promised. I just feel compelled to clear up a few things.

First, endso, thank you. I also thought I had a point. And I thought you were being a bit unfair to me for accusing me of not asking ("not once" were your exact words), when I clearly did in my post #11. In hindsight, maybe not that clearly. But I got my answer in post #12 which I acknowledged in post #17. As far as I was concerned, that was it. Sorry I allowed gerbick to provoke me. You are right, my following posts did not bring anything new to the discussion. I thought gerbick did not quite get my point and was asking for a clarification but it turns out he was just looking for a fight and I stupidly walked into it.

That cut me deep. There was I, thinking all this time that I was being constructive by calling for unity. Oh well. It looks like this thread could not be named more appropriately.

/pichlo out.

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you are absolutely right pichlo.
I recant those words.
They were unnecessarily harsh and wrong.
my profound apologies.

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I asked a simple question, requested the same level of commitment to the answer as the protest and I receive a retreat instead?

Sorry, but I refuse to be the villain here. To protest ad infinitum against something new in a thread about a new way of communicating about Maemo just really made zero sense to me.

Still doesn't. I've yet to sign up for the Discord for Maemo despite being a Discord user. But given how counter discussion is handled - you cannot have a dissenting opinion unless you fear being vilified - then perhaps my time around everything Maemo, MeeGo, ITT, Internet Tablets and honestly, this forum is over.

I remember when Pidgin was on my 770/N810 and I felt like it was the greatest thing ever. I could talk to MSN, Skype, AIM, ICQ, so forth. Those days are over. Folks have tried to reinvent the wheel to just communicate.

I can apologize for cutting deep. But I will not apologize for asking for clarification and then pointing out how that clarification never came. Matrix is not the answer. Vague "unity" isn't either.

Apparently we differ but we do agree in one area. I'm out as well.

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The pair of you!
Argh.

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Sadly,
I have tried all of these and they all fall very short.

* Avoiding the pitfalls of centralized server (SPOF)
would be a first requirement.

This would put Retroshare Top of the list
but they have no iPhone or Android port.
This dooms it from even competing.
Nice idea, stillborn.


* I have tried all the versions of TOX:
although it has bugs and whatnot it would be nice,
except it has not yet developed viable group chat.
I am still seeking a method to create a group-cloud
to host long conversations.
It should be very possible to share
(as a p2p 'living document') a group discussion
but I am not there yet. (They are considering this)
The new NGC concept sounds like the right direction,
but not implemented yet.
< A specific use-case for a ethics-charity organization>
I like TOX a lot but it still fails group functionality.
- The other problem with Tox is that ordinary users might not
be found posting their Tox ID to connect.


* Matrix sounds nice but the homeserver design is a SPOF
Plus the fact that it seems to have evolved into yet another
hyper-complicated slogan-salad rah-rah contest.
the deal-killer is:
"...email addresses or phone numbers should be used publicly to identify Matrix users..."

* Riot is a glossy Matrix client.

All that said,
for some conventional organized comms venue,
some kind of Matrix looks okay for joe six-pack dialogues
but it looks like you need a server
along with all the conventional rubbish that means.
Like bending your knee to CA authorities
and all the DNS drama. PITA gravel sandwiches...
And not to forget there will eventually be
some kind of fealty checks on whether ->you<- are permissible.


One nice (current) summary about this sort of thing:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...FOU/edit#gid=0


I have used Citadel for a long time.
It is functional for chats and discussions,
but it is a very old-school solution.
Think 1980's old-school.
It is free and a server can be setup without a domain name
and all that associated rubbish.
Users need no client - they can use a web interface
or even ordinary XMPP / email clients.
{users can also run federated servers if they wish,
it is an interesting option citadel provided long before Matrix etc}
They have dropped that feature recently

cheers

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hmm good for you then.
But can you honestly say you are more productive with the way you use it now?