is there truth in this
 

Quickly briefly, was using this phone loved it and thrown away, I looked several things and neo was popping up in the past, I identified some university group was doing asking them to sell me one years ago (not through maemo.org). No answer no activity since 2014, anyone was able to make a deal? I just got mad iphone is a joke latest jailbreak bricked my phone in 3 days, then stock rom the only option. Huawei bootloader is also pissing me off. So just went mad and ordered a n900 "perfect condition"....

But now if they still doing this projects and same OS with complier core linux packes and ++debian package manager which actually worked great, I would buy it any day. basically and sadly, n900 was the only one phone I ever see coming out of the box with terminal in the default screens "as strandard", great phone still the most you can do with it, additionaly keyboard, which really handy. Will be strange after skipping 6 years, but no more jailbreak on iphone put the last bolt in their coffin...

to be hones now i will own 3 phones
work iphone 7
gaming huawei mate 20 pro
geek/weird nokia n900

Shame on word you can no longer buy cars with turnkeys... So while I am waiting my "new" n900 you can suggest me the a new device for the future ;)

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You can use Maemo Leste instead of Fremantle...on your n900
That will geek you up.

The droid 4 also will run Leste

Nexus 5 is excellent for running ALLLLLL kinds of stuff ...from buntu touch ...to hopefully Leste.

neo900 is dead ...forget it....it isn't worth the spent emotion on it.
Even IF they try to make a comeback...virtually all the things they originally needed to source ...are extinct ...
meaning literally starting all over again.
Only an idiot ...or people who never ever heard of its first collapse...
will buy into that money pit a second time.

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agree with you. I also treated as dead asked them few sears ago no reply saw the post with newer times I thought something moved forward but not :( Still waiting for my old-new n900 ...

Those devices u mentioned has keyboard ? big painpoint with current models is the lack of internal keyboards...

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Meanwhile, not too far away...

Obviously, it's not out yet (and as much as I want to have faith in it, I'll commit to buying it only if it actually works with SFOS, Leste and the likes), but it's closer to it than the Neo900 ever been.
The release target is july, FYI.

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My god!
Almost everybody here becomes a terrier and wants to worry the bone of the latest "possibility"
The very moment a possible miracle phone is in the planning TMO gets a thread devoted to it...or threads..or *cough cough* their own subforum ...and when it doesn't pan out for the endeavour ...we get to keep these bloated beached whale corpses seemingly for all eternity to remind us all of its failure , our dashed hope, waiting, preordering or just plain madness of throwing money on the fire of "helping the questionable start-up"
...a whole slew of rude folks from god knows where (not you fellows...I am just speaking broadly....and this does not include you..)
...and threads that end up exploding into easily 120 pages of pure speculation posts....in a matter of days weeks or at worst months..


I suggest...using what devices exist currently....modding physically if necessary to ones own desire...
Instead of flocking like a bunch of crows around the latest fictional shiny stone.

When something actually comes of a device ..Sure...THEN give it all the attention in the world ...
Until then it is just bright coloured smoke blown up everyone's ***.

Ok...
Rant done.

Now to REALLY deal with the Neo900....and its fetid stinking (half dead half alive as some wish to think it...) subforum body and posts...

Stop hanging pine tree car air fresheners on it and calling it ..."maybe alive still"
Dump it...Flush it...

If it isn't dead yet...someone please put a pillow over its head until it stops twitching.

Some wish to say that "even though the device didn't get made, the data garnered from the neo900 endeavour is invaluable .."
yes it is indeed invaluable ...if one can acquire the extinct sourced parts ..
Invaluable also since it swallowed so much investor capital ...
and has finally finished the meal of it..
With no end product for those who threw their money at it.

The only good thing to come out of the Neo900 ...
Is the amount of humour generated in the forum as cause of it...

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The Neo900 completely and thoroughly explained in 3 minutes and 4 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGkg5ytaXlA

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Question answered, there is no truth and project cancelled, majority of the startups finish like this. I asked this because i already read some years ago wen i was looking around for options. After posting investigated other tread and this is dead, just ordered another n900 in good condition good enough for now. If similar HW/SW combination come to the market and we can grab one before the company resign (targeting 0.1% of possible users will be never a success story for economic), and for sure will be overpriced, but if fxtec came out at least there will be an option.

Reaction to endsormeans man do you think this is normal to modify mikrochips and doing handwork on mm-s? That would need special skills, tools and total engagement to technology... We buy hardware and use them normally not manufacturing it:D

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I aimed my answer concerning modding specifically to the need you expressed for a physik keyboard.
That is almost always doable..
We have here many examples of folks who jury rigged a keyboard to work with various devices .

It would be nice if the fxtec happens...

but I do not invest in hardware risk any more
(the stock market has a better return on risk, the race track has a better return on risk, the casino has better odds on risk...if I wish to gamble or invest money I will put it in any of a 100 other methods that actually have a percentage chance of a return)

nor do I hope any more,

nor do I place personal or group favoured demands of additional or subtracted enhancements or features on the developers burdening them down further with additional stress,

nor do I expect the endeavour to happen...

If it does happen....great...
If it doesn't .....I won't be disappointed or upset .

What definitely do now though is try to throw some cold water of sanity now and then on the madness that seems to come upon the community,
when a start-up (and that is any start up) pulls up here to our doors...
with its busking wagon full of miracle elixir ...
and proclaims many astounding miracles ...
BEFORE coming through with the goods.

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saw the recent reply in other topic was right time to ask the project officially dead. I hope at least some of you got the compensation. If we have admin here should highlight the project dead instead of the sticky thread finally a sucessor...

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Zero recompense to anyone throwing money at it.
Yes its officially dead.
They burned through the money banking on being able to finish...
or at worst to have the schema to be able to say "it was worth it since we learned and have so much now to apply to other projects"
Which is a great philo as long as one is dealing with source-able parts.
But completely irrelevant considering all source-able parts already are or will be obsolete shortly, making said affirmation a falsehood.

I acknowledge that joerg did try his best.
But there were issues and hurdles ...self made and other made...
that slowed and eventually doomed the project.

Now that the project is officially dead ...stated as such by the project leader.
As I have stated in the past...
And will now be hounding TMO support to deal with...

The neo subforums and their posts shouldn't just be closed to respond to...
The neo subforums should be mothballed and at the very very VERY least put into the Archives here.
A start up that never got started and is officially dead is nothing more than a bloated whale corpse on the TMO beach...
Actually it isn't even a "complete" bloated whale corpse ...since the device was never produced...
It is actually a "fictitious" bloated whale corpse washed up on the TMO beach.

It needs to be removed.
As well as all failed start ups ....
at the very LEAST to the Archive subforum.

So this is now the official call for that to happen.

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well whale corps can be removed in American way. With explosives and 0 thinking of consequences

worth to watch
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFwxH3PPWiU

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that is one way...
natural decomposition of a whale ...if it is buried on a beach is more advantageous to the local environment and what organisms that would feed off it...though.

In the case of non starting start ups occupying space here...
turning a blind eye and doing nothing about their corpses everywhere here...is not an option. Just a constant in-the-face-reminder.

Deleting or burying them is not an answer either.

and I think exploding the these dead non starting start up corpses is redundant..
Since ...unlike the beached whale in america ...
Exploding dead non starting startups ...we are already covered in the exploding mess twice then.
The 1st time from its failure (in the case of the neo it has been multiple times it has come back..only to explode yet again)
the 2nd time exploding it on purpose to rid ourselves of it.

I can only speak for myself when I say...
I have already been blanketed enough times by perpetually exploding neo dead whale debris to last me a few lifetimes...
without going to all the fuss of doing it yet again...
on purpose

The Neo subforums and accompanying posts just need to be moved to the Archives...for whatever possible pertinent data it has and as a reminder.

No more Michael Bay 'splosions necessary...
Robot Chicken did it best anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ssUivM-eM

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That's a sad world where people are recommended to go with the flow and use large rectangular phablets with capacitive touchscreens and pre-installed Android just because a start-up failed.

Yes, I have put a lot of faith into Neo900. No, I am not intending to curse Neo900 or ask for a refund - as stated above, majority of start-ups finish like this - I am intending to ask for any and all possible documentation to remain in existence, on a safe server, and/or many computers, even if it is not feasible to manufacture due to lack of some ancient components.

I am hoping for Leste to become fully usable as an everyday operating system - not just on OMAP5 and Nokia N900 - but also on Fxtec, Pyra, Droid 4, and whatever other phones, tablets or laptops become targets.

And then maybe Neo900 can be revived - no necessarily physically compatible with N900, lack of mechanical parts is daunting - and with a different processor? - I reckon it sounds like STEP2, a little? I still hope for it to be small, pocket-able, protecting privacy, tinkering-oriented - and running Leste.

Of course, funding would be a problem. Of course, I personally don't expect such a project to start until and unless all Neo900 pre-orders can be, at will of customer, either refunded (no ill will intended) or converted into vouchers for new device (for persevering optimists).

And I am guessing that everybody needs a break and re-charge - a few years, perhaps, to play with devices that do exist, and reassuring ourselves that it is possible to make open-source devices and not fail - and then in the future, a few years later, we will see what "modern smartphones" will look like. Google advertises on-board (off-line) speech-to-text as a new cool thing, as if pocket-sphinx (and other speech-to-text software) didn't exist ages ago!

Thank you. Best wishes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per aspera ad astra...

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Why do folks look to extremes that are out of feasible range of an individual or small team,when they aren't necessary?

In the first instance, I mention modding...to achieve some of the desired perks that we enjoyed with the n900.
Such as a physical keyboard mod to an existing device that doesn't have one. There are plenty of examples of mods exactly like that ...in detail...in our forum here. And any one individual can accomplish it.
Since much of the work that was done for the neo was on a souped-up beagleboard, undoubtedly resistive screens can also be used ..albeit that would take a higher degree of learning and understanding to implement.
Such simpler mods as those are what I meant.
Not serious work as szilveszter.domotor mentioned...that is in essence bordering on a complete rebuild with the needed skills of virtually the entire n900 nokia team.

Likewise it is such extremism as wiki's "all or nothing" approach ..
and supposing that I am endorsing that "people are recommended to go with the flow and use large rectangular phablets with capacitive touchscreens and pre-installed Android just because a start-up failed"
And that yet again ...
the approach is to hope or pin hopes or more monies on yet another neo attempt
Both extreme views of achieving a simple goal.

In the end the only rational and sane thing that has been said thus far is what I have repeatedly endorsed for a very very very long time.
Years in fact.

that we needed a shackle-free maemo operating system that can be thrown onto virtually any device.
eventually someone ...some corp. ...(even some start up ) will start producing a device that comes close or better than the n900 was.
In the mean time we can utilize a shackle-free maemo on available devices until then, thus keeping maemo software, ideals and community alive until then.
Even better I suggested that to evolve past the limits and extinction threshold of a mobile os ...that we should aim as well for a shackle-free 86_64 maemo pc os ..then we can wait out the long years comfortably with little turmoil to the os and needed iteration changes as what goes through the generations of mobile os in the same span of time.

It is called bigger picture thinking.
Survivalist thinking.

Thankfully the maemo Leste team did get what I was trying to say about the whole issue...whether they heard me or not ...is not relevant...
they saw the exact same writing on the wall as I did years ago..
.and we have better than a life raft now.
We have a higher survival percentile chance than without Leste.

Now all that is needed is enough people to help pull in the 3rd party catalogs full of software that may disappear ...as I have also warned ..

For myself I am getting weary of Talk Startup dot Org ...
and I am likewise weary of folks trying to find the hardest and most likely to fail methods of doing things first ...
Before sitting down and thinking about it.

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Well "Happy"...
or is it "Todd"?

I believe it is quite possible that a poor masquerade for a spammer ...has no validity here to say anything .
"Get thee behind me Spammer!"