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I was shocked that Nokia 770 doesn't come with X terminal. Where to get official original X terminal for 770 in year 2019?

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Try pinging @endsormeans here re: all things older nokia internet tablet

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It was more near that I believed:
The most original public at (or I think so):
http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mae.../o/osso-xterm/
The last official for 770 (or I think so):
http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mae...0.13_armel.deb

UPDATE: those files are not enough..wait for solve this problem
UPDATE2: These are for SDK only to use with apt-get

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Hahaha...
Ah...good times...
I am shocked too that the n8x0 doesn't come standard with xterm preinstalled
:D

For the 770...it should be in the main 770 repo you use..
For the n8x0 one needs to enable extras and then let the catalog update and then install it from the catalog.

Actually ...to make things just that much simpler for you...
If memory serves..
You will be using one of the 2006 OS's...gregale, mistral, ..
Or perhaps the more recent hacker edition..
For the 2006 os's. ...they used..um... osso-xterm (v 0.13) ...if my negligent memory serves me . ..

Nokia in their smartness..
Decided to make sure that first time users just didn't have immediate terminal access out of the gate...to really make a mess of their devices.
( I compare terminal in the hands of a newmo akin to handing an angry chimp a mallet and a squeeky toy filled with nitroglycerin )

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But if I need terminal to debug why 770 not going to net in first place..

So I downloaded deb package above with another device and put it in 770. Application manager says what packages missing, so I downloaded them too, but then Application manager says for them:
"Unable to install.
Incompatible package."
And not any hint why is incompatible.

EDIT: I checked my OS version 3.2006.49-2 from control panel, so it should be Maemo 2.2, Gregale (checked from wiki.maemo.org/Codenames). I also tested install packages from 2.0 and Mistral and even from Maemo 1.1 and 3.2 folder. All gives that "Incompatible package."

So my original question is not solved yet.

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If you are using the version meant for your os..
If you have got all your dependencies ...
And they are checked and meant for the version you need...
And app man is telling you that the dependencies that need to be satisfied cannot be installed because they are ALL "incompatible packages" ...
And since the version and its dependencies hasn't changed over at least 3 770 os iterations including Gregale that you are using, it is doubtful ...though possible you got a dependency that should be for a different version...
But if you are sure you were exacting and omitted nothing ...

then there is something wrong here that you have overlooked or omitted in the process.
It must be.
Installing xterm is one of the first and most fundamental installs to be able to access the system, and shouldn't be a problem on a clean reflashed system.
Since you then have no known or unknown problems impeding.

It is a clean reflashed fresh 770 you are working on... right?
Otherwise ...
God only knows where the problem(s) is(are) springing from...and what mess you are inheriting from someone else or from forgetting what one has done to said device years and years ago..

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I started think also, but can figure out what. Can somebody else test Application Manager menu Install from file..? and tell what happens.
Depencies for osso-xterm are: libncurses5 and libvte4, but if you have installed it (of course you have), you can try any deb arm-package from that pool.

It's second hand, but looking that is not used at all after flashing even Application manager's catalogue is "http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ mistral user"
and Show installed applications shows:
(no applications installed)
Even clock was in year 1970 :)

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Ok 3 things

1-
The version I ran last on my 770 was the latest hacker version.
What you are running is not comparable .

2-
I have sooo many devices as is..to maintain...
My 770 has been mothballed since shortly after I got my first n800 and n810 ...its been more than a decade past now..
By 2015 I realized that just in embedded ...I couldn't be on top of the 770, n800, n810,and the n900 ...(and now the nexus 5) something had to give.
So I decided to enjoy my n900 as a power user and dabble now and then...to specialize on the n810 and n800 , and let someone / some others pick up the ball on the 770, and be the "go to person / people" for the 770

3-
connectivity has been a long standing issue with the 770 for some folks.
If it weren't for the fact you are having connectivity issues I would say to just circumnavigate the "incomplete packages" issue by installing other progs with the dependencies you need for xterm.

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Wait a sec...

You did what???
"I also tested install packages from 2.0 and Mistral and even from Maemo 1.1 and 3.2 folder."

" All gives that "Incompatible package." "

Well of course it would...
just adding stuff from other os's ...
Even doing it twice with the right ones...the wrong way...could give you probs.

Bet you didn't check the var lib install...
Bet if you go inside you will find a duplication of paths inside the same ...
so what should be var/lib/install ..
is most likely looking like this.... /var/lib/install/var/lib/install.

so it simply makes the issue worse.


hence incompatible packages

you could consume a great deal of time trying to clean it out and still not be successful...

Or just reflash.
And start over and install what is meant for the os you wish to use.

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Actually I cannot install incompatible package Application manager doesn't allow that. But it allow check under Details button under Problems-tab missing depencies or that incompatibility. And I tested that much to install, only checking details. Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

Problem is that I cannot see the system files without terminal so I cannot see what is wrong or is there even anything wrong. Can be something wrong in Application manager with this kind of offline installing?

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Ah....hahahaha
yeah right...forgot you can't check.
you need term for that.
hm....mc ...midnight commander may allow you to though....(hm..is mc available for the 770?...I can't remember ..)
But not being able to see doesn't negate the likelihood of duplication ..due to install of the same packages from different os versions....thereby causing your "incompatible package" issue.
App man details don't go into depth.
So until you can get in there and see ...it is all supposition.

As I suggested...
Reflash the latest version for 770 (shy of the hacker edition...that may be a little too much to take on at this point)
And very first thing.
Check your wifi first.
If it doesn't connect.
It may be the immediate wifi connection available is the issue...and attempting connectivity via a different locale may be necessary.
If that isn't the issue and you have tested various wifi connections and you know that isn't the problem now...
Then download and transfer the dependencies and xterm to your fresh 770.
Install only once...starting with the dependencies first....then xterm.
Then tell me how things look.

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Oh and speaking of wifi router connectivity...
the 770 can be prone to "n" issues...
as in b/g/n ...
so if you can isolate your router connection and any other incoming ...
to allow only b/g
then you may be able to connect.
That was an running issue for some folks, if I recall properly.
So that could possibly be your issue...
or not.
Hard to say until you deal with a fresh flash...check routers and dismiss that possibility, run some diagnostics and get into term.

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It was that thing...I share net from my old b/g only laptop and 770 going net! And now I know why Application Manager not want install X terminal depencies from that my brevious link, it's for SDK only.

So but back to original question, where to get the original official X Terminal that can install from original Application Manager?

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Geez man...
Here I thought you were using maemo gregale extras
SDK isn't the proper catalog for your purposes

Yeah...well...there are a good half dozen catalogs you could have used instead...excluding maemo gregale extras
Hm....
It would be easy to find under gronmayer's it maemo site....for example..

Just navigate there ...click on the 770 device (os 2006) tab to the right...
Then type osso-xterm in the search box...
And you should get about a half dozen catalogs that contain xterm.
Careful though...
Some catalogs there state they are online ...when they are in fact ...not.
So check catalogs first...

Fact is ...check my signature and you will find a thread called "the Lost Gronmayer Catalogs" ...
I did an extensive study of functioning catalogs and lost catalogs recoverable and non recoverable ...and how to utilize the Gronmayer meta catalog optimally...

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Funny thing is that I started there, before send my second post of this topic :) So I still not know how to install X terminal in offline. Or what file is that what was provided by Nokia.

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But didn't you just say you got it online? So why to install offline?

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Okay, that offline installation is not main thing in this topic. I only started wondering can I start to use 770 without net and there can be somebody who have more bad networking problem too.

But yes, maybe better first know: what repository has official xterm files from Nokia than can be installed with Application Manager?

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'official files from Nokia' ????

what on earth are you talking about?
Nokia catalogs never contained anything for xterm.

There are only a handful of somewhat requisite files from Nokia.
everything you need should be in 770 maemo extras repos....and 3rd party repos.

the most extensive list of maemo extra catalogs and 3rd party catalogs are where you have already been...
Gronmayer's....
THAT is where you will find the most comprehensive 770 catalog list there is.

I am sure the Nokia cats are listed there for the 770....but you don't need them for this...as well.....they are offline and have been for years....and years...there are places such as the wayback machine that will have the Nokia cats...but they aren't your immediate priority here...

check the cats at Gronmayer...the official maemo extras cats should also be listed there ...make sure any cats you choose are online and contain files...before adding them to your App Man

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Endso, the janitor of the graveyard. Gratefull that you are here. When you leave many things will be lost.

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Ok...That makes this thing more clear to me, so when 770 was new, there was not any way install xterm from prelisted catalog (catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com) and Nokia put osso-xterm only for SDK users, not for 770 itself. Do I understand you right?

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janitor of the graveyard?
until no one is using the devices...it isn't a graveyard.
and at worst I prefer ''curator' or 'archivist' ..
I am no janitor.

and as far as when I am gone...that will be when I am dead...or the world falls apart ...[both of which mean I have more time for my devices...]
it is a kind sentiment...I think the same of many who already left long ago from here...it is the way of things...



now....the issue at hand..
to answer the question...

Even before Nokia shut down its repo...
It never ever ever EVER...had anything but a handful of installables

The SDK repo is for what exactly?
It is for working with the files inside the SDK specifically in a sandbox environment for the development of applications FOR the devices.
NOT for direct device usage .

If you are running gregale ...
Then you need gregale repos ...(there are also 3rd party repos you could use but you will have to research which ones you wish to use)
So...
You need for starters...
Gregale Maemo Extras catalog installed in your app man
Then you should have zero freakin problem installing xterm

this is not as complex as you are making it.

http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.ph...&system=maemo2

http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.ph...ow_pck=152#152

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I just thought that the official support and repos are down so that way dead - and you know where to dig stuff up, where it is buried. And janitor may not sound fancy, but janitors have secrets. In American Ninja atleast.

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Just like the n8x0's...
Official 770 repos and (for the most part) 3rd party repos...
Are just as functional as the n900 repos...
No dead end there.

As far as "janitor" goes...
I know you meant no ill will with the inference Maemish...
However ..
I don't carry a bucket, mop and broom....
Not my job.
The true maintainers of this place ...
The clean up crew ...so to speak ..
Are the Moderators here..
Who do a tireless job of keeping the place ..

Me..
I like to think that ...
I am more akin to "the Librarian" (from The Hilarious House of Frightenstein)
And once I hit my stride at 100+ years old ...will fill the part admirably.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fw8T3xycCVw