CHESS programm of the N810
 

Hello,

I read that the N810 has a built-in CHESS software. Can someone tell me if is is a robust programm (not only for playing against other peoples, but also against the computer, and for learning chess).

Can you post screen shoot of the N810 chess Progrann ?


many Thanks

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

RE: chess on the N800 (not N810) - yes, you can play against other people in addition to the computer (are you asking if you can play against others online? is so, no). and yes, the program has the ability to "show legal moves" which would assist those learning the game. I imagine these features would be included on the N810 (but have no idea if they are).

However, the chess program installed on the N800 is awful (against the computer). it frequently crashes, and it always crashes after you beat it. in fact, the game never admits defeat - it always says it won after every loss! it has a basic repertoire of opens and it's end-game is lousy. it's mid-game isn't bad however. i can't differentiate between levels except for time-taken between moves - supposedly processing but it seems to make the same moves repeatedly in the same positions.

personally, i hope that the chess game installed on the 2008 os is substantially improved.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Eboard for the N800 is excellent, and Xboard would also be excellent if a bit more work was put into it.

Playing against a computer is basically boring. You can find human opponents 24 hours a day at FICS and at other places. Eboard makes it very easy to log on to FICS (Free Internet Chess Server).

The chess program Nokia released for the N800 is terrible. I presume the 810 chess program will be equally lackluster.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

geneven - i'm having trouble installing Eboard. any suggesitons? i've followed this advice: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=5712

but i'm still stumped
thx

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

I agree that the default chess program that comes with N800 is pretty good in the middle game. And true, it never accepts its defeat! Is that intentionally written that way by the developer? But beating it is quite easy and I wonder if someone can port the crafty engine to N800.

EBoard didn't install on my N800 either, I don't remember what problem it was reporting. I tried and failed with XBoard too. Maybe I will have another go at it. (Good support for Chess on N800 is too important for me, if any developer is listening...:D)

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The backend for the chess game is opensource iirc, it might be worth looking into how to hook into the GUI (with crafty or other engines). Perhaps a gentle ml prod/bug report (assuming the glue code isn't already available of course) would produce some documentation to help this.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

As mentioned, I can confirm the N810's chess game allows player on player or player on computer (4 levels of difficulty). W(/o) sound effects. W(/o) legal moves. Undos. Unfortunately, I cannot compare with the N800 as I don't have one next to me. Even on EASY, the computer kicked my butt each time. Quite humiliating. Still, it was fun to play. Nice animated drags.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Thanks for the infos.

Can you tell me if the game also has some learning tools, some opening libraries, and more important, if it is possible to "set up a position" and then to start a game from that position (to create a position that you want to study. Mostly used when your teacher gives you exercises)

Ps: could you send me some screen shots of the chess game ( poter@skyner.be). Thanks

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

It is not possible to start at a set-up position. The configuration of this game is very simple and designed to be easy to use. Unfortunately, that means it doesn't have such capabilities for learning moves.

As for screen shots, I'll leave that to Thoughtfix or someone else. Sorry. If no one shows screen shots for a while, I'll put some time into posting some.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

OK, the built-in chess programm is not so good...

But, are there out there some chess programm that have been ported to the N810 and that are better ?

Eboard and Xboard seems to be promissing, but still in "beta" conditions ?? Are stey "stable" ?

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

My favorite chess app is
http://www.chessgenius.com/

With the Palm OS VM from access
http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/
this
http://www.chessgenius.com/palm/index.html
could also work on a N810.

I can't try it myself because the N810 is not available here yet.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Chess Genius + Palm OS VM from access seems to be a good solution, but... it seems that the game will use only part of the screen area ?? Can it play full screen ?

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Eboard, which was ported to the N800, is better, but it is for playing chess vs human opponents on FICS or ICC, which are chess servers that people from around the world play on, 24 hours a day. But it hasn't been made available for the new software yet; I hope it is.

Personally, I would rather play a person any day than a computer. In general, computers play boring chess.

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I don't know but I'm not visually impaired so I don't care. The screen is big enough on my Palm TX and it will be the same size on the N810 in the VM. I just care about the chess functions and I don't know anything better.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Eboard and the crafty engine are now ported for OS2008:

http://www.v7f.eu/public/n800/chess/

works fine on my N800. :-)

Ciao jukey

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Sweet! I just installed it on my N810 and it looks great. I haven't started exploring eboard's features yet, but just having crafty is a big plus.

In addition to playing games, I'd like to load a pgn, be able to enter (and save) variations, and call on crafty to analyze a position. Scid does all this, but requires java. I'm not sure where the Java port for OS2800 stands at the moment; once it (Java) is done, scid should be straightforward, right?

anywa, thanks for eboard & crafty!

scott

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Scid doesn't need java as far as I can see..
It needs tcl/tk
Yesterday I ported tcl.
"Only" tk remains (tough actually) and scid should be ported.

But don't count on me for testing the capabilities ahah, I'll leave this to you.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Thanks for the correction. can't think why i was thinking java; i must have been focusing on java/kaffe when i installed scid & conflated requirements.

Anyway, I'll eagerly await the tk port (good luck with that!). Scid+crafty+eboard makes the N810 as complete a pocket-chess device as I can imagine.

scott

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

In 2mn, it will be available.

:)

I really have no clue what this program is actually..

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

Scid packaged for OS2008. Consider this release candidate, not stable without user testing.

Installation works at least..

You'll need to add my repository. If everything is fine, scid should be displayed.

Hope you have fun with it.

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

THANK YOU! the window is a bit klunky (the bottom row of the board is cut in half), but I don't think anything critical is missing. I'll play around with it and let you know if anything important seems missing.

I can confirm that it appears to correctly access crafty as its chess engine, so all analysis features should work fine. I'll have to see how it displays variations and tree searches.

btw, since you deserve to know something about the app you ported :D, scid is a tool for handling chess databases. so, given a file containing games or positions, scid lets you load a game. search for a position, move the pieces around and explore different variations (and save new ones), and analyze positions through crafty.

it's very instructive to analyze the games of chess grandmasters on a move-by-move basis. So, being able to load a game, try out alternatives (and see why they're NOT chosen), is a really useful study tool.

Anyway, thanks again!

scott

game maker
 

does anyone know how to make chess in game maker

Re: CHESS programm of the N810
 

More news about chess programs.

For the Palm, Openchess works ok for displaying games, though it crashes for me when actually playing games. However, it seems to me that the display is a lot better on my Treo than on my N800!

I don't care about playing games so much, as (a) I'm not interested in computer chess, and (b) for the kind of chess I prefer today, 1-minute chess (maximum time for a game = 2 total minutes if both sides use up all their allotted time), tablet chess is just too slow.

In other news, I was under the impression that Scid had disappeared, but it still exists and can be used to view games under Diablo.

In other Scid news (Scid is the best chess database available in Linux), the Scid project has been revived after Shaun (the S in Shaun's Chess Isomething Database) gave permission for enthusiastic and sophisticated third-parties to take it over. So newer versions of Scid are being made available quickly, though I'm not sure they have yet reached official releases of Debian yet.

So, if you're a chess enthusiast and a porter/developer, you might want to keep an eye on the Scid progect.