What sucks the most in N800?
 

Okay I haven't had my unit for that long a time yet and all in all I love it, but there's one thing that is very wrong with the design. It's the zoom and full screen buttons. Suppose I browse the net in the dark. It's then impossible to see these buttons and they're so damn close to each other that it's really pure luck if I manage to hit say the full screen button instead of the minus button. Also, can't all the buttons be illuminated at dark all the time? It's almost impossible to "feel" them.. like say the home button or the one above it.. very easy to mix up in dark if you want to act fast.


But all in all I love this little gadget. Goes so well with my N95 :)


edit. I see they've actually addressed this problem in the N810

Re: What sucks the most in N800?
 

Hum for me it's more the email client ...

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Yes, well that sucks too. Are the 3rd party ones any better?

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No ... not mine ... (Pyne4Maemo). too slow and port unfinished.

Clawmail offline imap doesn't really work. :(

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Just drink less booze, then it is easy even in full darkness.

:D

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I am quite jealous of all you people that have an N95... It's not so easy to come by in the states...At least not for a reasonable cost...

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Hmm.. I never look at those buttons anyway (they're on the top of the device after all), so using them in the dark or not doesn't make any difference to me. I occasionally press the wrong button, but it's not something I notice as problematic. I can feel them fine.

What's, for me, most problematic with the hardware is that it's so difficult to see the screen in daylight. For the software it's that the email client doesn't use the imap message-already-read flag. If it wasn't for that I would be perfectly fine with the built-in email app.

Other than that.. not much. From a developer point of view it's a bit of a hassle to Hildonize the applications. I'm currently putting things on ice waiting for the updated Hildon in OS2008, but I can't stop feeling that Hildon could have been done in another, more transparent way for the GTK developer.

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No really intuitive way to put the thing in standby.

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What I like most is that I have unlimited data for 9,8€ a month. It's not at full 3.5G speed (it's just 384 kbit/s) but still it's rather nice. Definitely fast enough. Definitely don't feel like paying more for a faster connection. However I have been thinking about dropping my 4 Mbit/s line at home (36€ a month) and getting a 2 Mbit/s mobile broadband for 29,8€ a month instead. But then I guess I would have to buy some kind of thing for my computer..

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Built-in Jabber Client is toooooo slow.
Using Pidgin is faster, but I hate that it is in the "taskbar". In the "Statusbar" would be cooler. Supporting Exchange Server would be cool, but IMAP4 is enough.

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I second the comment about not being able to read the screen in daylight (another thing fixed in the N810). To really take full advantage of the portability and features of the N800 I want to able to whip it out and use it while I am outside.

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Using it with a GPS unit in the car can really be bad in bright daylight.

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Google soft poweroff. Makes a long-press on the power-key equivalent to putting the cover on the 770. Just be sure to reduce the long-press delay to something a little more manageable (300-500ms).

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Actually, there is; it just requires some work. If you map the long press on the powerbutton to softpoweroff, you have yourself a one-key standby solution.

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i really miss the video chat n800-to-PC the most.... :(
will this be fixed in the OS2008 or N810 ? (sry didnt have time to check)

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You lucky bastard :D
The best offer here for really unlimited data is 1,5€ a day (same speed). That's 45 a month if you use the connection every day. Plus VAT. :(

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I know what I'm doing when I get home today....

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I have recently noticed that my battery life on my 3 week old 800 is sucking. I charge it until it reads Battery Full, then after an hour or so of radio use, it says I have about one hour left!

I bet I can discharge it fully a couple of times to restore... hopefully.

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I don't see how you can't tell which button is which. Full screen is the big one, and the zooms are on either side. It's easy enough to do in your sleep unless you have huge fingers with absolutely no sensation.

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- Viewing the screen in daylight, or even indoors near a light sourcce. It's near impossible. Hopefully this will be fixed in the N810. The Zaurus line has the best indoor/outdoor screen I've seen in a portable device. It's transflective screen cast no obstructive reflections even in direct sunlight, and the screen could achive a large brightness range. I hope the N810 can match it.

- The sound quality is very poor. I can hear constant white noise in the background. I know it's not a dedicated mp3 player, but it should have better sound quality.

- Rhapsody program has many bugs.

- Handwritting recognition is horrible, but I perfer to type anyway.

- Opera and MicroB are slow and scrolling is a pain. I guess it is just the 330mhz 128mb ram combo talking there.

- No PIM. It isn't advertised as a PDA but a PIM suite will not kill anyone at Nokia.

- Screen is recessed, making it harder to clean. It would be much better if the screen was flush with the body.

- Not fully open source. Binary blobs and closed source drivers make it harder for developers. The Angstrom project is working on a complete maemo replacement for the N800, but I guess they can only get so far because of the closed wifi, battery, etc, drivers. Maemo is pretty good, but alternatives would be nice.

- Built in IM and email client leaves much to be desired. Gmail IMAP does not work, and I cannot connect to AIM using the jabber protocol.

- The battery life fails to refresh sometimes, stating I have a full or near full battery remaining, when I actually have little/near empty.


Pretty good device overall. Overall best portable i've had.

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I second this. I use my N800 mostly for browsing... and sometimes is a pain...

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The best with the Internet Tablet is the never ending strem of FOR FREE !! 3- party applications ....It is like Christmas every day. And that way the Nokia IT just getting better and better..

What sucks most is the need for find, reload and re-install every 3party apps after a OS upgrade. It takes a lot of effort to rebuild it to the state it had with applications before the upgrade.
There schould be a easy way of backing up 3-patry apps

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Hmm. Runs fast enough for me on N810. Maybe that means the N800 situation will improve with release of OS2008.

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Can't say I have huge fingers. The zooms are on both sides yeah.. it's just too bad there's no gap whatsoever and if it's completely dark and I can't see the thing it pretty much feels like one big button.

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This sucks. I have been comparison shopping the n800 vs. iPod Touch (for internet browsing capabilities only) and haven't come across anyone complaining that the n800 was slow.

I just bought the n800 and I should get it next week. I hope I am not disappointed.

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I'm *guessing* he's referring to the inital load time once you've chosen a contact to chat with. On my N800 it takes longer to open up a new chat window with someone then it does to load up MicroB :)

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The support for divx and flash videos are not there.
Though you can say mplayer supports Flashvideos, still it doesnt have pause or stop button.... I am eagerly waiting for the other video format supports..... Can anyone tell me more info on other video format supporting applications for n800? pls

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The only people that complain are the type of people that aren't used to using embedded devices like cell phones and tablets. They expect the same speed as their quad-core PCs. As long as you have reasonable expectations, you should be fine. And if you really find it slow, turn off Flash.

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Yes, same here, but once it's open, there's no speed issue whatsoever.

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Yup. Just seems like that app should have a little lighter footprint when loading. Not exactly sure what it's doing, but the CPU does go to 100% for most of it. And if you start up a second chat after that, it isn't all that much quicker. You'd think it should just open up another window/instance rather quickly. Still I'm not loosing any sleep over it. :) There is WAAAAY too much that the N800 does very very well for it's size, price, hardware, etc.

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I have two tablets in fornt of me. And i must let you'll know brand new and while loading from the application manger
it seems to be unable to install python 2.5-runtime can anyone tell me why or i see it says missing libsbl-ttf2.0-0
libsbl-ttf2.0-0
libncures5 (>=5.4-1)
libreadline4 (>=4.3-1)
this is what i hate the most about the n800 i really have 1 for myself and when i took it out the box it works fine. Can anyone explain what wrong? i just got the two n800's because i like it so much now what do i do?
it won't install gain kagu the list go's on any help? i think this is where nokia falls short

Re: What sucks the most in N800?
 

I'm not seeing any such delay on the N810.

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Actually, I've watched .mpg, .avi (Divx & Xvid) and flash videos. mplayer supports Xvid. KMPlayer allows you to choose which player is used, Osso Media Server, MPlayer or Flash.

Re: What sucks the most in N800?
 

Do you followed the instructions for install python?
http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html


Cheers.

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Now that made my day! :)

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Is there any other reader that can be downloaded to the N800? I've tried to use the FBreader and I've showed it to a couple of my friends and I just can't get the books into the library; I've read the instructions but no luck; I just don't find it user friendly; so is there another reader that can be used with the N800? TIA

Re: What sucks the most in N800?
 

It's pretty damn easy to add a book. Just tap that little button at the bottom with the book and the green plus, and point it to the book you're adding. Hey, Presto!

What format are you trying to use? I have the best luck with txt/rtf/html stuff. Be warned, it wont read any of the DRM garbage you get through most ebook stores.

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If you are in the dark and using vi, the Esc button is very hard to find even if you know where it is.

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Commenting on a couple of issues mentioned:

- Large battery drain when listening on the radio.
I assume this is the Internet radio, not the FM radio. Yes, streaming over wi-fi sucks battery, more than surfing or most other activities. And no, it won't help a bit to deep-discharge the battery a couple of times as was suggested, that will simply shorten the capacity and lifetime of the battery even more. The only remedy is to plug in the charger when listening to internet radio for more than an hour or two.

- Slow scrolling in Opera and MicroB.
For Opera the fix is to configure it to use the d-pad as page down/page up (there are instructions in several threads here), then it'll page as fast as you could wish for. No such easy fix for MicroB (not the last time I checked at least).

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I use a txt extention 99% of the time; I generally get my books from the gutenberg project; the books show up in the docment/file section and i place them on the removable card; but I can't get them to transfer to the library; I got disgusted with the whole thing and deleted the program the other day; thans for answering.