[Palm OS] Palm Contacts, Memos & Apps fully Syncronised between PC & N800
 

I have downloaded and installed the N800 version of Garnet VM on my N800.

I installed the Palm Desktop on my Win XP Laptop and synchronised all my existing data and apps off/from my trusty Tungsten E using Local USB Hotsync

Then I switched the desktop Hotsync option to accept network connections and tried to synchronise the data off my PC onto my N800.

I am pleased to say with a little bit of customisation tweaking of the Hotsync options for data transfer I seem to have successfully transfered all data and apps to the N800.

Obviously not every program installed on my Tungsten E works in the Garnet VM but I am surprised about how many apps seem to work with little effort.

Need more time to test apps, will provide further feedback if anyone is interested. I still have lots of contact and notes on my Tungsten E from years of use, so its nice to have a backup on my N800. For those who want data off their Palms onto their Internet Tablets this might be a good option?

I note that this beta version of Garnet software for the N800 will expire on May 31st 2008.

---edit--- I really don't know how stable this Garnet VM software is at emulating a Palm and I have ensured that all my existing Palm data is fully backed up on my Tungsten E and main PC. Playing with copied data and software between Laptop and N800 to see how stable it really is.

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Do you know if an app like SlingPlayer for Palm will work on the Garnet VM? I think SlingPlayer will let you download and try for 30 days, so if some tries this, I'd like to know if you were able to get it to work.

Also, I registered to download the Garnet VM, but i still haven't been sent a confirmation email to allow me to download it. Does anyone have any experience with this. It's been 24 hrs, and usually email links are immediately sent.

Thanks and I look for to experimenting with the new VM!

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Well, I guess I spoke too soon. After I posted this, I checked my email, and what do you know, I had the link to download Garnet VM. I tried myself to install SlingPlayer (trial) through a SD card inserted into my N800, after I installed the Garnet VM. The software works, but it would not allow me to add my Slingbox into the Slingbox directory. It kept getting stuck at the password and acted like I hadn't entered the password in correctly (said password must be less than 21 characters). Otherwise, I was not able to try and connect to my Slingbox, so alas, I'll have to wait for someone more clever than I! If anyone gets somewhere with this, you've got an anxious Slingbox owner eagerly awaiting to watch his Slingbox on their N800.

Thanks

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Was able to get Slingplayer to install. Got the same issue with the password. You have to enter it with graffiti for some reason, using the onscreen keyboard gives the error about needing to be 21 characters. I was able to connect to sling box.
2 Issues:
It would crash when trying to play a video stream.
It would act like it was streaming in audio only mode but did not getting any sound.

Still trying to tweak the settings and see if anything changes.

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Looking for an alternative to the hotsync. Are the Palm app data files accessible, or are they part of the VM binary? I'm not sure I still have Palm Desktop software available, but I can get my .pdb files off my ancient Clie. I've downloaded the N770 VM, so we should see later tonite how well it works.

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Got it to sync with my Mac using Missing Sync (which I need for my Wrist PDA). Still they need to make this this go into portrait mode and full screen.

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Can you summarize the customization of options you did to make Hotsync work?

--Denis

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Watching this thread with great interest.

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Follow up: Installed Garnet VM on my Nokia 770 running most recent OS2006. (apps run on internal memory, not my 2GB MMC card, but I do have 64MB of swap on the MMC enabled).

- Initial startup and load was very slow - took several minutes for the VM to available for use. Do N800 users experience this? Have not tried restarting to see if this was permanent or a 1st-time event. I am using the default settings with full-screen enabled. Agree, rotating the image 90 degrees in full-screen mode would be useful.

- Stock apps in the VM are calendar, memo, address book, calculator, and preferences. (I forget if todo list, which I didn't use much anyway, is in there or not).

- My hand remembers Graffiti! Woot!!! (Makes me think Access could score a noticeable win by selling a Graffiti port for the N8xx - I'd buy it!)

- Haven't tried hotsyncing yet, I've been using a Linux box for that for a few years and if I have Palm Desktop anyplace, it's on a secondary partition of an ancient desktop system.

- Agree with some observations that this may be more marketing for their VM technology than a viable product - there aren't that many Palm apps I truly miss.

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I use Treo 650 in combination with N800, so loading the Garnet Virtual Machine is primarily a matter of curiosity. Hot Synch failed, but the version of Palm Desktop on this particular PC is probably an older one. I will have an opportunity to try a newer version later in the week.

GVM includes the older Datebook and Address applications, rather than the Calendar and Contacts programs included with curent Palm OS versions. However the Treo still generates backwards compatible Datebook and Address databases. I transferred Datebook, Address and Memo databases plus a few applications from Treo to N800 using an SD card. The data was accepted correctly, and the apps installed fine.

Now I can HotSynch Datebook, Address and Memo data with PC, but process still fails when PC tries to backup other applications installed in GVM.

ToDo application is not included in the GVM. I borrowed a copy from the ROM of a Sony Clie UX50. It installed and starts, but does not run correctly. The GVM will not let me delete it.

Be aware that if you change the size of the GVM memory allocation (default 16MB) all data and add-on applications are lost. Starting over I realized that I could use Bluetooth to transfer files from Treo to N800. The GVM does not seem to be aware of Bluetooth, but files can be received into the N800's own file system and then installed the same as if they were on SD card.

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Not at Home tonight so unable to confirm the exact steps on and between PC and N800 running Garnet VM however, from memory :-

Right click on the palm hotsync icon on right hand side of Windows toolbar and select custom hotsync. Make sure that the options for transferring the Address book, Notes data etc, are set "PC to Palm" (This ensures that data goes one way only, to get it onto N800 etc)

I set all the other options under hotsync to "do nothing" to ensure only data of interest was transferred during that specific hotsync. (The very first run I tried was set to defaults, where it appeared that only apps were transferred and not the data for Address Book and notes etc, failed to complete sync with errors in log)

Make sure that the "Network" option is selected as a Hotsync option on PC to allow network and wireless connection.

I then wirelessly connected my N800 to my network and then within Garnet VM, I set the IP of my desktop PC. (Which allows the N800/Garnet VM to communicate and palm hotsync software running on desktop)

I did notice issues surrounding how to synchronise data that was originally held on the Palm devices SD card, prior to first synchronising with the desktop and second the N800/Garnet VM. The data that was originally on SD card did not seem to know where to be put within the Garnet VM environment (i.e. it did have a Palm SD = N800 ?? relationship setting) I have not resolved this yet.

My advice would be to also read Palm’s FAQ on how to re-synchronise palm data on the desktop, with a palm that has been reset; as this is essentially what we are doing to have data from one Palm added to another and in this case Garnet VM :) :)

Hope this information is helpful.

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Does the latest palm desktop work in sync with outlook exchange?

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How long does it take for an N800 on standby (low power or off?) to turn on, open the Garnet emulator, and view addresses or calendar entries in the PIM?

Can the Garnet emu be left running for quicker access without eating the battery?

Thank you.

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RE: SlingPlayer on GVM: I got to the same point as you. I turned my cable box on manually, because everytime I tried to issue a remote control command, SlingPlayer crashed. Even with the SlingPlayer logged in and a video signal on, I still did not have anything displayed on SlingPlayer. It stayed on for a few seconds before it crashed also. If you have any further luck, please let me know.

Thanks!

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@Grench: You can leave the Garmnet emu running. Then it takes a couple of seconds to launch the applications, i.e. not instantly as on a real Palm.
To quit the full-screen PalmOS programs hit escape (the hardware button with the curved arrow). To leave it running, hit the 'home' hardware button. Then you can switch to Hildon, and/or later switch between running PalmOS applications (i.e. pretty much instantly), the emulator itself, and native Hildon apps.

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I think the installed files are hidden inside that virtual Palm storage areas it creates.

.prc and .pdb files can be installed with 'install' from the emulator. Haven't found a method of getting them out from there yet, but maybe I'll try installing FileZ..

Some apps I installed by sending them via BT to the N800, let the N800 store it as a file, then install the .prc or .pdb from GVM.

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Were you able to sync the Date Book? Not having any luck here.

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Hi,

I've been unable to hot sync my Palm data to my N800 because after entering the IP address of my computer, and tapping sync, I get an error message saying IP address not recognized. I have tried this with 3 different computers running a desktop software. I've set the hotsync setting to network. I've been able to install Palm apps by using the USB cable to load them into my Nokia's card from my computer, and then tapping INSTALL and installing from the Nokia's card. But this will not work for entering Palm datebook and addressbook data. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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Due to security restrictions I cannot get my N800 on the same network as my work computer, therefore the hotsync is not working. Assuming there is no way to get this to sync via the cable, can I copy certain palm files from my PC to my SD card or the the N800? If so what and how? Thank you!

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I haven't used hotsync (from Palmdesktop) in years, but are those 'certain files' on the PC .pdb files? If they are, you can just copy them over to the N800 and install them with the 'install' option in gvm launcher. (I do this all the time but then I get the files directly from my Palm T3, either with FileZ or from the backup I hotsynched to my Linux PC with the pilot-link tools.)

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Yes Zhaan you can!

1) Find the .prc and .pdb files on your pc (likely c:\program files\palmone\<your hotsync name>\backup (or archive)

2) copy them to a SD card

3) place the SD card in your Nokia and use GVM to 'Install' (the button) them.

Just a note: If you 'Launch' the emulator (run a palm program from GVM - pick one, it doesn't matter) your installs go much faster :)

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This doesn't work for the calendar, contacts, etc. files. They aren't stored as installable files.

Also, you need to sync at least once to get a hot sync ID. So if you have any registered software, it won't work.

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See my other post in this forum, about the GVM shortcuts.. according to the gvm options it should be possible to launch the emulator with a hotsync name specified as a startup parameter (you may have to dig out the hotsync id (the number) too though)

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From Rlauzon:
Ah Rlauzon - right you are. You could maybe use a SyncML site to get dat up and down instead (like GSMSync, Goosync ...)? I think I've seen a SyncML client or plugin being talked about for the N800 - not sure.

From Ta-t3:
Hey, the Palm app ChangeName (download it here) will give you that info on your existing Palm - just don't use it in the emulator. TA-t3 made me aware of that - it doesn't do the job in the right way - too bad :(

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I can get sync to work (using Missingsync on a Mac), but can't get it to register the user name and userid (number) on the n800. As a result, the sync of DocsToGo doesn't work -- tried ChangeName, but that didn't work. I couldn't find the userid Missingsync was looking for -- synchronization uses that, not the user name. If I could access the DocsToGo files on the N800 from anywhere than within the virtual Garnet OS, I wouldn't need to sync -- could just copy the files over to my PC. Unfortunately, I can't find any program that can see the storage area Garnet creates. Anyone have suggestions on any of this? Thanks....

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I am not trying to hotsync but still need to register my Hotsync name in my N810 for a certain application (Bible with you) to run normally. It has an unlock file (supplied once you pay for the software) and it finds this ok when I scan but then says the hotsync name for which it was issued does not match.

So... how can I set the hotsync name in Garnet VM on my N810? I see from above that ChangeName does not work on the IT's so have not tried this.

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You can start gvm manually with userid specified.
lists the options. Check out -u (or --hotsyncid=)
You can start the application at the same time if you know the appid, see -a

If you get that working then you can script it so that you can start your particular application(s) with the hotsync name you want. There are some other threads around about how to do that kind of scripting.

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Thanks TA-t3. You actually anticipated my thought process. I was thinking if I can get the hotsync name sorted I'll see if I can use a command line to directly start that application. Then if I can script it and start it with an icon - well that would be the 'Leamings toe clippings' (or cats meow or something)!

Pushwall did actually show a way to permanently register the name in the N810 so I will give this a try anyway.

Thanks again :)

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I installed my calendar and contacts as installable files. You have to remember that the GVM uses the older datebook and address files, not the newer extended calendar and contact files from the TX. You have to use the versions from before NVFS was introduced, i.e. datebook and address, not calendar and contacts.

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The T3 also uses calendar and contacts, which at 5.2.1 is still pre-NVFS.

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Hi,

I still haven't received any responses on this issue, so I will recap:

I'm able to do a "successful" hot sync according to the message I receive on my computer and the N800. But upon opening the app on my N800, there is no datebook and addressbook data appearing. I'm using Palm Desktop by ACCESS version 6.2.2 on a Windows Vista PC.

Any help would be greatly appreciated...

steve

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But there is a big difference between a T3 and TX calendars and contacts. I have both a T3 and a Lifedrive, and they will crash badly and repeatedly if you mix the two. On the N800, I just added the datebookdb and addressdb files from my T3, and it works fine. Adding the contactsdb and calendardb from my Lifedrive won't work at all.

I don't think that version of Palm Desktop will work with the much older stuff in GarnetVM. Why they use the much older stuff, I don't know, but it seems that newer apps optimized for the TX, Lifedrive, etc won't run in GVM. Early OS5 apps run OK. GVM is a kludge at best, and seems to be just a quick and dirty proof of concept, not a real application.

Vista has always been problematic with Palm synchronization in any case, and all I can say is good luck with that.

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Is there NO ONE out there that can help me with this?

Re: Palm Contacts, Memos & Apps fully Syncronised between PC & N800
 

Would this help, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=23105

bun

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Thanks for the fast reply. I saw that post and tried that, but the problem remains. Judging by the other posts, I think this problem is more prevalent than Garnet realizes.

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Are you SURE? I tried that, reformat the 64k and set up a new user, and sure, it hotsync right away. Again, there is no data, I did it the second time, there are now data.
The trick is to reformat your storage area and that sucks, cause one lost all the installed apps.

But, that is the way Access suggest, it sure works for me, to some extend

bun

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I just tried all over again...reformatted, increased storage to 64K, new user id, tried syncing 3 times. Every time I got a successful sync message on my computer and "sync done" on my N800, but still no data in address book or date book.

BTW, step 2 of Garnet's sync troubleshooter makes no sense...it says Hotsync after refornatting but before exporting data to new ID. Which ID are you supposed to sync to, old or new?

On the PC
Create a new HotSync account (Tools Menu => Users, Press New).

On the Nokia Internet Tablet
Open Garnet VM Launcher.
Open the Settings dialog.
Hit the Reformat storage button. Warning: all the data in GVM will be lost.
Hit the Save button.
In the Garnet VM Launcher, hit the HotSync button.
Wait for the HotSync operation to complete.

On the PC
Select your old user account.
Export the data associated with each applications (File Menu => Export)
Select the new account.
Import all the data you exported previously.

On the Nokia Internet Tablet
Open Garnet VM Launcher.
In the Garnet VM Launcher, hit the HotSync button.
Wait for the HotSync operation to complete.
All your data should now be synchronized.

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Right click on the icon for hotsync, click custom..., put ALL category to do nothing and click set default, only leave address to "synchronize" and see what would you get?

bun

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My version of HotSync manager is v.7.0.2. so when I right-click, I don't get a "custom" option, but I was able to achieve what you indicated, which was to sync "addresses" only, and nothing else. Again, I got a successful message on both devices, but no data on my N800.

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To begin with, were you able to do a hotsync via the internet with your palm, or whatever you were using before? This way, you can eliminate one factor at a time to determine where is the catch.

bun