Thoughts about OS 2008
 

Well for those of you who managed to flash it what are your thoughts? Here are a few things I noticed after playing with it for an hour.

- Youtube works well, as stated it would
- Rhapsody works very well. Sometimes you have to start a track again to see the cover and information though
- Rhapsody home applet is very cool. I can play, pause/resume, skip from home screen
- Xterm from fresh install is nice
- Very thumb ready. Menu's are thumb size whether you use stylus or thumb. Some might want smaller menu's especially when adding lots of programs though
- Built in email applet still doesn't work with Gmail IMAP! It shows the headers, but you cannot retrieve the messages. I guess some things will never change.
- You cannot rearrange home screen applets. Puzzling...
- Looks pretty cool.
- loading bar from startup is light blue instead of dark blue.

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You can drag applets anywhere anytime.

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I was able to drag the applets around.
weird it doesn't work for you.
well actually no its not.
its not meant for the device its being used on.
so everyone might get different results.

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Oh, correction. Applets can be moved by dragging it anytime. I was looking for the old OS 2007 style rearrangement and couldn't find it. It works great. Dragging is much better.

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hi,

I just flashed my N800 to OS2008.

There is a way to retrieve the messages and attachment.

Go to your ADVANCED settings for email. Check out Incoming tabs > Retrieve > choose "Messages and attachments"

Hope this help.

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I've tried that and it didn't work. Are you using Gmail IMAP? Gmail IMAP causes the built in mail applet to lock up in OS 2007 and it seems to be no different in OS 2008. I have not heard any gmail imap success stories for any OS

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I have just flashed new 2008OS. It,s great and much faster. But sip calls doesn't work properly. Has anybody tried sip calls ?

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Gmail IMAP is the culprit here.
Sometimes it as issues.

I was just speaking about it with a friend in the US while we were both trying the mail application with Gmail IMAP and we had the very same issues that disappears at almost the same *time*.

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I have setup my Asterisk server and SIPGate accounts , both work fine for me.

Haven't tried my SIPPhone / GizmoProject account yet though.

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I like how you can now use any SIP server for internet calling, but I haven't figured out how to get it to work with my Gizmo/SIPphone account either without using the native Gizmo app (I'd much prefer just a normal SIP client for it.)

Gmail's IMAP implementation is horrible from what I've seen, most clients have issues with it.

I just hope more programs are ported to OS2008 quickly, because there's been a bunch I couldn't use yet.

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No. I don't use Gmail. It may be a problem with Gmail. So I don't know :(

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The information for that is on the RTCOMM site.

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Is this for real? no more smart size switching??? ug...:eek:

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Works just fine for me.

I've not found a setting for it yet, but yea, they take up most of the screen. Haven't figured out how to get root access yet either, so I haven't been able to hack my text settings smaller yet either.

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Use "becomeroot" (originally for Nokia 770 but works on OS2007 and OS2008.
http://eko.one.pl/index.php?page=Nok...are#becomeroot

You can add the repository for becomeroot with a single-click install from here:
http://gronmayer.com/n800/repos/dl.php?id=10
Then just find becomeroot in App Manager and install it.

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any new bluetooth profiles... a2dp?

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I think this info was already released. BT Headset profile is in there. A2DP is also "there" but not enabled, and apps would have to know to make use if it. IIRC.

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Well I guess this will be my first mission to get changed. Waaaay to many apps to be scrolling through at thumb sizes all the time. :rolleyes:

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Neither thunderbird (on a windows and on a linux pc) not claws (on the tablet) seem to have a problem with it.

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Sorry, most of my experience is with Palm OS clients so I guess I just assumed it would be the same on the PC. Chatteremail, Snapperemail, and Versamail all have varying issues with it.

For one, Chatter can download messages, but doesn't show attachments properly. (I actually use Chatter so much that I don't use any PC email client, so that's why I didn't realize about Thunderbird working.)

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Boy the bugzilla is going to get hammered with that one! And I'll be one of the hammerers.. hopefully they'll fix that (make it smart again, as in the previous releases) in the time before it's officially released.

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Also, I tried using a bluetooth headset. It paired fine, and said that audio was being routed to the headset, but I only heard silence from Gizmo and from the built in SIP client.

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Has anyone been able get TVersity UPnP shares to work with the 2008 OS? I assumed they would just show up either in the media player or the file manager, but they are not.

edit: it shows up now... not sure what was going on there.

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I think the whole OS2008 is a bit laggy.

The screen locking and unlocking functions seem to take quite a while to be recognised (>1s). Pressing the application menu or (even worse) the bookmarks menu often takes a number of seconds to appear.

This has all the signs of overagressive cpu throttling (I did quite a lot of experimentation with cpufreq on the Zaurus). Obviously this is needed to produce good battery life with the extra processor speed, but I think a different and more complex scheme probably ought to be used (i.e. not ondemand, which I assume is in use atm, perhaps use a complex user-space scheme with the userspace governor)

Anyone else noticed this lag?

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I haven't noticed any lag, but I *have* noticed that Media Player still does not sort songs by ID3 properly. It will parse Artist, Album and Title just fine but when it lists Albums, it's in some unknown order, possibly by modification date. These files have full metadata, completely tagged in iTunes and the track info fields are read perfectly when loaded onto my S60 phone. If they want to be taken seriously as a media player, well, ID3 support is something they should be aceing by now. Just dissapointing, is all.

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I think the new os is great, its much faster, especially the menu's!

Also i find a lot of smaller improvements which make the tablet a lot more usefull:
- Media player loads playlists a lot faster (sometimes os2007 hangs > 10 seconds opening a playlist)
- Scrolling RSS feed applet is very nice
- Scrolling in the RSS reader works way better, makes it very pretty to read feeds
- Notification of new email / incoming messages by LED
- Application manager now shows which feeds are faulty and enables you to edit them on the fly!

The only thing I'm not so sure about is the browser, sometimes its faster than Opera, sometimes slower. (And it locked up a few times.)

Also booting from SD seems to result in slower application startup, instead of faster as it was in os2007.

I think the "normal" n800/n810 user will be very happy when it's officially released to the generic public, it makes the tablet really useful.

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Watch out for the scrolling RSS, it's a CPU hog. Try doing something like playing songs in Rhapsody while the scrolling RSS is enabled and you will see what I mean.

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That may be my problem too then. I'll try turning it off and see if my lags disappear.

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The new scrolling RSS applet seems to be a bit of a disaster IMHO

• I can only get 5 articles at most to show in the home page applet which is a horribly small number of items compared to the old version, and typically I can only see 3 articles if I add another applet below or above the RSS applet
• the manual scrolling is a bit of a pig - the applet seems to have a scrollbar but of course dragging the thumbtrack drags the whole applet! Perhaps paging through articles with the up/down arrows would be a better method than scrolling one item at a time as the latter is quite tedious
• the auto-scrolling is a CPU hog
• there's a lot of wasted space around the refresh/up/down buttons

On the plus side, the main RSS applet has been improved and at least two major bugs are fixed:

• page dragging is now a lot more reliable (bug #1091)
• unread but still valid RSS articles are no longer auto-deleted with each automatic refresh (bug #953)

What Nokia gives with the one hand, it takes with the other! :)

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I take back what I said about Rhapsody working well. At first it was great, now I can't view the tracks under a specific artist in my library. I get "Content not available." Also, the cover and track information is blank more often, and you must manually replay the track (sometimes several times) it order for it to show. I only care, because you cannot add a track to your library without the song information showing.



Uninstalling and reinstalling didn't help either. Too bad, Rhapsody was pretty cool for the 24-48 hours after immediate install when it actually worked.

Tried it... went back to OS 2007 for now
 

I installed it on my N800 yesterday after finally getting the OS clone to SD working. (Thanks for the instructions everyone!)

I like the OS. A bit faster (when disabling the scrolling RSS) the web browser mostly works better, though I did have a crash or two. The UI is much improved for finger navigation. They also finally made the lock function usable without a stylus. It was about time, thanks.

Overall, a great improvement. But....

I went back to OS 2007 this evening. Why? I've spent a lot of time customizing and installing apps. I use GPE and MediaStreamer almost every time I use my N800. I also use Gnumeric, the FM radio, and several other apps on a regular basis. None of them have been ported yet. Moreover, they shouldn't have to be.

Now that ITOS2008/the N810 are here, I hope Nokia has put down the framework that will stop us users from having to reflash and start over again everytime there's a new release. It's utter nonsense. This is Debian. You don't need to do this with Debian. Every other Debian-based device I've used, and I've used a lot, don't require this. We should be able to apt-get dist-upgrade to the new OS and there should be no excuses about this. The first two devices/three OSs were a good time to experiment, now they need to buckle down and work things like this and backwards compatibility out. I shouldn't lose gnumeric/GPE just because of the new OS. Nokia shouldn't be so quick to lose the goodwill of OSS developers by forcing them to start over again with each release. Users and developers alike have lost a lot of time and patience with this behaviour. I'd also hazard to guess that it's scared off a few potential commercial developers.

Okay, sorry for the rant. I think it needed to be said, though.

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Yeah, similar problems. I can only get any content to show when browsing under all tracks in My Library.

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OS2008 introduced some major API breaks (for the better, as we're now up to date upstream which will make porting much, much easier), so of course OS2007 apps have to be ported. :rolleyes:

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My only thoughts are that when OS2008 is finally released that we will be able to flash our N800's using Andrew Fleggs GUI flasher instead of Flasher-2.0.macosx. I tried flashing the bootlegged OS2008 using Fleggs flasher... didn't work. The tried Nokia's recommended method using Flasher-2.0.macosx and after 2 hours of flashing the kernel it went no further saying an error occurred.

BTW... the 770Flasher flashes the OS's in under 2 minutes on my system from start to finish. And thats for the 770's and the N800's... all OS's to date (other than OS2008).

Hopefully Andrew will come to our rescue and create another outstanding GUI flasher for us Mac users.

Regard,

Omegaone37

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My one and BIG gripe is that the web browser crashes on almost every site, crap, in my book. I can't even come here via my N800, the web browser will crash once i type it in.
Yes, it's unfinished, but i shudder to think .
On the plus side, my WiFi works a million times better. Previously, i couldn't even locate my router in my house, i had to first tether to my phone via BT and then change connection. If i walked outside the house, forget it, once i stepped a few feet away, WiFi blindness !!

I'll keep OS 2008 on it a few while longer. Truth be told, i don't even use the N800 for anything meaningful, my Treo 700Wx does a whole lot more and better.

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Did you do a backup restore after upgrading to the new os? my browser is very secure and someone else actually said that even hus browser crashed frequently because he restored from backup. but when he again flashed the new os this time without backing up he said that it was quite stable.
hope this helps

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Yes, it almost certainly will. The only reason we had to flash with the console flasher with OS2008 is because it's the N810 firmware image. ;)

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Thanks General...

Regards,

Omega

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Same here. And I'm trying to use a Nokia BT headset with it! WTF?

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That was me and yes when I flashed without doing a backup file restore I've only had one or two browser crashes since.