Anyone has both n800 and Ipod touch?
 

Im going to usa, and im planning to buy an ipod touch, i already have an n800, but i dont feel is good for playing music, at least on the road.
I would really appreciate your opinions
you think i should buy it?

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If you really want a music optimized device, better buy the iPod classic or nano. Touch isn't really the best ipod for that: it doesn't even have the shortcuts for volume/pause/next song that the iPhone has.

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The iPod Touch is great for both music and video. As an added bonus, if you jailbreak it, you get some of PIM functions lacking on the N800.

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The only thing that the Touch is appreciably better than the N800 at is playing videos. As a handy pocket sized movie player it is great - far better than the N800, because there is no decent video playing software on the N800. Having said that, you have to convert everything to the right format for the Touch - you can;t play DivX etc....

I never listen to music on the Touch - it is really not well designed for that at all despite being an iPod. I think you'll find - even if you jailbreak the Touch - that it is really limited. There is really not much you can do with it, and the extra software you can add to it is a bit of a joke at the moment. That might change though.

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Ever heard of mplayer?

Best video player ever. I use it on n800 and my PC.

Much much better than any other software I have seen.
I watched a movie in the plane yesterday with mplayer. Fantastic. I was really impressed by the battery still fully charged after 1h!
Only annoying thing was this guy sitting next to me, constantly looking at the screen :)

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The Touch is pretty useless.

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free: I'm interested/amazed that you think mplayer is the best video player ever. That's certainly not my experience of it - but perhaps we have different expectations or skills.

When it comes to watching a movie I am looking for a simple player which allows me to select a file to play, and has an obvious play and pause button for those times when you get interrupted. A simple slider or something like which can be used to move backwards and forwards through a film, with some indication of how many minutes have been viewed and/or are remaining is good.

The Touch has an excellent player which does that rather well, as does TCPMP on the Palm. Canola does this too, although it is rather slow to pick up a list of files on a media card, and has a habit of only seeing the first 20 odd minutes of a film, or not seeing files on a card. It's certainly not perfect.

mplayer by contrast is totally non-intuitive to use, very inflexible, and constantly crashes - from my experience. And I have never managed to watch a whole movie without the battery running out, which makes the N800 a rather ridiculous platform for movies.

Anyway, I am not posting this to start an argument - as I said at the beginning I am fascinated that what I regard as unusable others may find exceptionally good.

Certainly I find watching movies on the Touch a great experience, but the rest of the device is a waste of time.

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"Certainly I find watching movies on the Touch a great experience"

You are forgetting that you need to re-encode the videos. But with mplayer you can play almost all the video files. divx, flv, xvid. avi.

Now who the hell is going to encode all the files before watching the movies. I just download dvd rips and put them on my n800 and it plays very well with mplayer.

If you want to re-encode movies.... you can do it using media converter for the n800 and play it in media player. There you have all those functions like the slider etc!!

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If you're obtaining your movies legally, then you should have no problem having them in the right format for the iPod/iPhone.

Ripping straight from DVD, I always choose h.264 since it plays on my PS3, xbox 360 and my iPhone.

If you happen to download them illegally, you just need a program like visual hub and it can batch convert movies and automatically load them into itunes for syncing.

Everything to do with video and audio is a PITA on the N800. Only linux nerds enjoy their media on these tablet devices.

For everything else, its quite decent... but don't confuse the N800/810 with a capable media player.

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I have an N800 and an Iphone. I'm not sure if I'm just not savvy enough, but it always seems to be a hassle for me to get video (video podcasts, youtube, newscasts) to play seamlessly in the N800. There is usually a way to get it to work, but it takes an effort. On my iphone, it either works or it doesn't. I think that a lot more stuff has been shoehorned into an iphone/ipod touch format in the last 6 months because of the popularity of those devices.

It's strange. sitting here I can't decide which device I prefer. I love my N800. The internet is crystal clear, the mapping software is great, the music players are great, it has GAMES. The Iphone though, is just so simple and user-friendly.

I've had my N800 for months, and my wife and my mother picked it up for ten minutes, got frustrated, and never touched it again. I can't get the iphone away from them.

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How about downloading a song or a movie clip or any other short clip which is about 50 megs from the internet?? what will you do with that after you download that??

i just download it remotely with my n800 directly from the browser and then play it with mplayer. With the touch it has to be converted so you cant watch it unless you get back to your computer and then convert it. It sucks to do that ...... atleast for me.

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You'd be surprised by the amount of content that just plays via the built in quicktime plugin. Since the iPhone/iPod/PSP/PS3/Xbox360 all share the same format now, you can just click videos and they start playing. (MPEG4, h.264, mp3, aac, .wav, aiff)

There is obvious room for improvement, like being able to get podcasts on the iPhone directly, but I'm sure it will just be added to the iTunes client at some point.

You're right though, if its a divx movie... you can download it straight to your N800 and enjoy... assuming its a very low bitrate and low resolution.

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Most of the videos i download... especially highlights of cricket matches, or bollywood songs are mostly xvid. divx or avi. And if i want to download anthing from youtube for offline viewing then i can download flv files. although they are not good quality.
So for me these files can be directly played on the n800.

If you are talking actually about converting videos why not use the media converter and from there i dont understand why the iphone/touch is better than the n800?? Of course the ui is prettier. that is where it ends.

I understand that mplayer does not have a pretty ui.... but it gets the work done. That is what matters...... for me atleast.

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I'm kind of having the same feeling here... Have a N800 since release and a iPhone for about 2 months. Im still stunned by the N800. Amazing what it can do. Awsome device! But the interface or the ease of use of the iPhone, it's just that easy.

What's my opinion:

Nokia N800 is the best internet device! (For me that's mainly at home / work, since i don't get it connected to other wifi's much of the time. But that'll probably be just me. I'm not a Linux expert, i'm a user.) Without Canola not much of a media player.

iPhone is a awsome media player so i guess the iPod touch is the same thing? No? Oke it also does internet. And I use it alot. But not as advanced or open as the N800. Thinking of stuff like uPnP, internet radio, RSS, ...

The devices towards other people: i'm having the same experiences. Nobody knows the N800 and they look at you as if you came from Mars. None of the people i know found intrest in the N800 or actually were able to do anything on it. But for the iPhone people just like to play with it. This is something Nokia and community should focus on. Ease of use for consumer market.

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Who of you guys who have an N800 and an iTouch can comment on battery life of each gadget ?

--assuming a fair comparisson, of course....kind of apples to apples in terms of use----


Cheers

Re: Anyone has both n800 and Ipod touch?
 

I brought an extra battery for about 15$.(original). SO that gives you 2x power. Remember that this is an option just before you decide.

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-- iPod: no Ogg Vorbis support, and never-ever-likely-to-be.

+++ Nokia IT's: can add whatever support I care to install, port, or write.

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iPod? How about iCrap. Do the smart thing, get a Zune. :)

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Personally this is what I (and many others) dislike about the iPod/Touch products -- they want you to use certain media formats. I don't like how the devices are not open and that you are basically forced to use itunes to get stuff to/from the device. Also frustrating are the limited codecs which the ipod devices support.

If it weren't for the Apple name and the mighty marketing muscle, I don't know how the ipod ever became the smash hit it did. In terms of the devices, I don't even see what's so "cool" or sexy looking about them.

Please.. no offence to any apple folks here, I am just speaking from my own opinions.

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My 2 Cents..

I personally think that the N800 far succeeds the iPod touch for one reason and one reason only. The N800 is a learning tool. It is helping me learn a lot about Linux in general. But I'll tell you what, I took my N800 to a party last night and these people were absolutely drawn to it. They were absolutely blown away by GPS lol. I am the only one out of my group of friends that has not purchased an Apple product, whether it be an Ipod, Touch, Shuffle, Ibook, whatever.

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No offence, but I think that is a very inaccurate and misinformed statement. :(

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i just got my n800 3 days ago. Iv had my iphone for about 2 months now. The n800 gives me a better internet browsing experience with its bigger screen and less need for zooming in and out. It has a longer battery life, more versatile file and application management system, plus useful native apps for voip, instant messaging, ebook reader, etc. I also stopped using my iphone as a phone at the moment as i find text messaging n contacts searching a bit of a chore compared to the ease of use that a symbian phone provides. So im back to my 9500 communicator and n800 combo

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I'm in a little late on this, but here are my impressions, seeing that I received an N800 from my wife for Xmas and bought her an iPod Touch for the same occasion. Being the man of the house, it also meant that I was the one to set up the device for applications, videos and music.

For the record, I am running a Transcend 16GB SDHC card as internal memory, and will be getting another 16GB SDHC in the coming month.

Syncing Music

iPod wins with iTunes, since it rips and syncs in a no-brainer fashion (good for the wife). The N800, on the other hand, has a customizable interface (Canola) which I prefer, and I can use MS's SyncToy to sync the folders that I want -- a video folder containing files converted by the N800 Video Converter, and specific folders in my iTunes folder. However, the N800 comes back as it supports OGG. I'm wondering if it supports WMA as well.

Oh, and contrary to an earlier post in this thread, I also get to enjoy podcasts, courtesy of Canola 2 ;)

Syncing Videos

iPod Touch falls flat on its face here. I have a number of anime fansubs and DivX movies that I can easily and quickly optimize for the N800 with the N800 Video Converter, and then just sync (or copy using MS File Explorer) the movies over to my N800.

Because I can set up multiple syncs in a single profile in SyncToy, I can get it to sync my videos to the external SD card and my music and pictures to the internal one, or vice versa. I have tried downloading iPod-formatted content off various torrents and have found the quality to be much poorer than what I get from my own conversions, and I have yet to find a video conversion tool that would get me small filesizes (700MB down to 400 MB or less) and get the conversion done as quickly as with N800 Video Converter. Videora wasn't a good solution for the iPod and I've written off getting movies onto the Touch.

Battery life

Battery life on the N800 for watching movies is downright disappointing. Watching a single episode of Bleach (half an hour?) resulted in a Low Battery warning. I could go on for at least 4 episodes on the iPod Touch before any kind of warning comes up. This might not be such a big problem as I am looking for a portable emergency charger that allows me to use a AA battery to charge a Nokia phone (claims to be able to offer another 2 hours of talktime from a single AA battery), and then jigging it to run 12 AA batteries which I can store in my backpack for flights and long trips. More to follow

Connectivity

This was the clincher for me. I work for an integrated telecommunications service provider, and enjoy unlimited data as a staff benefit. With the N800, I don't have to go around hunting for WiFi hotspots, and simply connect my N800 to my Nokia E51 and connect using HSDPA/3G.

And I get VoIP (Gizmo, Skype, MSN, Yahoo) and good IM with the N800, which I don't get on the iPod Touch unless I tried a jailbreak (which could void the warranty of the unit).

And I get to use my SE BT headset (not an A2DP one) with my N800 for VoIP calls. Since the N800 isn't properly supporting A2DP at the moment, it's on par with the iPod Touch where Stereo BT is concerned.

3rd party apps

Doesn't exist for a legit iPod Touch, but there are tons out there for the N800. Enough said. :)

Web Browsing & Email

Again, the N800 wins (in my book) because I am not dependent on having a WiFi access point nearby that I can log on to for getting online. IMHO, browsing with the N800's Mozilla web browser (is it really Firefox?) feels more natural than browsing the web on the iPod Touch where I have to keep resizing the page to get to what I am looking for.

With a BT keyboard, I'm going to enjoy composing and replying to emails more than I would on the iPod Touch, although I usually just use the built-in mail client for Gmail (IMAP4) and the Mail For Exchange client for office push email anyway.

Ultimately, once I overcome the battery life issues with the N800, and get my other 16GB SDHC card, it's going to be the near-perfect device for me :)

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I doesn't mean much to say that watching a half hour episide of something resulted in a low battery warning. It of course depends on how much battery you start with.

I have watched a few movies and never got a low battery warning in half an hour if I started with a fully charged battery. However, you can't trust the battery status icon. It appears to calculate based on the asssumption that you will keep using at the rate you were just using.

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I started the episode with a full charge. But as you say, the battery indicator is not accurate. And if I can't trust the battery indicator, what can I trust? :)

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I've watched a movie in the plane from Germany to France. About 1hour playback with mplayer.

I got no battery warning.

I have re-encoded them for sure.. using the great encoded 770-encode from affleg, mplayer settings.

With this big screen, it was really fantastic.

n800: runs a free and open environment, has a lot of free apps. Can virtually use any of the 40000 apps from Linux.
I-something: done by Apple which I have blacklisted due to their locking practice. I'm not a sheep.