I'm off! Have fun with the N8x0!
 

Hi all!

So that's it for me. I enjoyed the N800 while it lasted. I found out i really need a keyboard that works, Flash video and audio that works, Skype video that works and no waiting for someone to port applications that are already available on other Linux platforms (i'm too n00b to do that myself and i don't have the time either). I just want something that works.
So i go for the Eee. My N800 will be gone by sunday and my Eee will be ordered.

I learned a lot here and i wish you all the luck with the N series IT's.

Have fun!

Ton.

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Crap, this thing doesn't work? What have I been doing...

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Adéu and have fun with your Eee.

I may follow you after the warranty of my 770 ends. Tomorrow I'm going to take it for repair for the fourth time in a year. Now there's some pinkish flicker on the display and the colours aren't showing properly.

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Damn, no one told me this doesn't work... I was happier when I was blissfully ignorant. :D

I've been reading Internet Tablet Talk from my N810 as I walk the datacenter babysitting servers, blogging direct to Lathe of Dreams using ssh, scp, and web, and managing 156 servers using "ssh -C -X -D3000 user@server" all from this one single Nokia N810.

And *now* you tell me it doesn't work?

Just this week, I dumped DD-WRT on a Linksys WTR54GS "pocket router" solely for N8x0 users. Yesterday, I bought a Buffalo WHR-G54S/125 running DD-WRT solely for Nokia N8x0 users. Next week I'm setting up OpenVPN to allow federal Nokia N8x0 users to connect via the new router.

I have *zero* complaints about the Nokia N810. My 8GB MicroSDHC arrives next week, and between the 2GB internal and 8GB external, almost everything I need will either be on my N810 or accessible from it.

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Kids,

All he is saying is it's no longer working for him. He's been around a while, so it's not some off-the-cuff comment.

When I first got my N800 I tried to do everything with it. It wasn't until after I got another device (a PP3) that I realized that was pretty futile - for me. Now I use the N800 for its advertised use - pocketable internet - and I'm quite happy restricting it to that use.

Toonje, if you can swing it, try and keep the the N800 around in addition to your new EeePC. Once you have both devices at your disposal, you might find more use (although more defined) from both.

R.
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Dad,

I could swear he said "I just want something that works."

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see you on http://forum.eeeuser.com/

sweet mods already if you're into that kinda thing in your spare time. here are a few links to get started.

http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=3982
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=2145

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It wasn't meant as flippant as it sounds. The Nokia N8x0 series isn't yet a "consumer class" device, but the potential is no less there. I can't hand off my Nokia N810 to my wife and expect her to love it, but you couldn't pry it from my hands on the WMATA (DC Metro) or the datacenter floor.

Everything toonje describes does work, but takes some adaptation. It's the very same adaption that Blackberry owners undergo, Treo owners, Sidekick users, etc.

N810 Keyboard: yes, it is small and the ergonomics are odd. It lacks the raised ridges of a Treo or bumps of a Blackberry. I'm able to type very quickly now whether its an email to my boss or vi of server configuration, but I miss some sensation that the keys are separate and distinct.

Flash Video and Audio that Works: Hell, my Sony VAIO TX770P running Ubuntu dogs on some tweakers' overblown flash sites. I wish Youtube worked well, but I really don't care that a teenager's MySpace page doesn't.

Skype Video: The latest version of Skype worked well enough. I've been using Skype and Gizmo on my N810 to place calls and video to my wife, boss, and co-workers. I don't use video often, but I certainly use Skype/Gizmo often.

Waiting for Apps: There are alot more apps, packages, and repositories out there than you see at first glance. Maemo Garage has alot more effort going on than you see in the Downloads link. Outside of Maemo Garage, there's even more. As someone fluent Python and C, I've been scripting and developing for my own N810 without problem. There are number of coders on ITT and Maemo I can't thank enough for their efforts.

I respect toonje's longevity, but I'd have to disagree with each of his points. I hope that the Nokia Internet Tablet succeeds, and I'm willing to invest my own time, money, and effort (as well as that of a few co-workers) to that end.

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An eee, why not just buy a real laptop, I just bought my son a dual core processor, 1GB RAM 160GB HD, dvd/cd burner with a big screen for 600$ US Dollars


If I am going as big as an E, It just seems why not get a real laptop, especially since your screen is the same resolutions as the tablet.


Once you can not put it in your pocket, does it really matter how big your laptop bag is?

Anyway, I am not defending anything, or wishing you would not leave, but an EEE really?

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We must have been seperated at birth. That is exactly the way I see it.

If I was willing to carry around something EEE sized with me I would demand more screen resolution and less bezel. For that kind of tradeoff in size, there better be 1024x768 waiting at least.

Really I've been baffled for weeks now seeing the EEE compared to pocketable devices. Small compared to a normal laptop, sure. But that would take a trenchcoat.

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It all depends on who you are and what your knowlege level is, and how much you are willing to invest.. For me and you its is the best thing since sliced bread. We can shutdown an entire Data Center with a 770, or N8X0, this power in your pockect is mind blowing. Being able to do that from anywhere, well mostly anywhere you go, without having to run home or worse be tethered to the house because your on-call. This makes this device priceless to many sysadmins I am sure.

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Well said, Penguinbait.

I know of several sysadmins for the Federal Judiciary who swear by their Nokia Internet Tablets. We're running N800 and N810 for solely that reason. Having Linux in your pocket with a WiFi connection and BT tether to a data-capable phone is an incredibly powerful thing. In the 90 minutes it takes me to get to work, I've patched 40 servers, checked my email, read the server logs, and debugged a flaky java servlet for a developer.

There are over 30 systems administrators in my group, and I'm friends with another 20. Everyone who has seen my N800 (and now my N810) has wanted one too. Our Division Chief saw me managing a few production servers while we were in a meeting, he asked "it's like an iPhone, but better?! Are you managing our servers from there?"

Yes sir, I am. :D

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I'm 90% with the two of you on this.

As I said in another thread, if I wanted a laptop, I'd get a laptop. Clearly I don't, or I wouldn't have bought a NIT.


Where I would put that 10% of not agreeing is that I could see buying an UMPC instead of a MID (ie. something bigger than a pocket, but not in the shape of a laptop). I had considered the pepperpad for example. But, ultimately, the Nokia line looked to have the best combination of vendor backing, community support, and features. And, plus, I did want something I could put in a protective case and still fit in my jacket pocket.


But, there's no way in which the Eee ever crossed my mind as a contender for my money.

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show me any other laptop the size and weight and battery life of the eee thats not over $399 and I'll buy it. it's like saying why buy an n810 when you can buy a oqo model 2 (and yes you can put any flavor of Linux on it) - get my point.

http://www.oqo.com/

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No, actually I do not? Its also apparent you do not get mine.

I do not own an N810 nor did I tell anyone to buy one?

If I am buying a laptop, I am not buying an EEE, I would buy a powerfull big screen laptop for 600$. If I want something to fit in my pocket, then I will consider things that go in my pocket.

Is that confusing? I would HAPPILY pay 200$ more for dual core 1GB dvd burner, compared to EEE. If EEE was like 200$ I would buy three of them for my younger kids, but otherwise its useless to me.

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If only it were so black and white as to choose between a laptop or an IT. I'm one of those people that looked for a full linux distro in a 2 pound factor - and cheaper than one of the $1000 UMPCs.

I ended up not getting a EeePC, rather a PepperPad. The deciding factor wasn't size. It was 1) weight and 2) what I could do with it - ie. have a full document processing solution that at the moment includes OO.o and a translation memory suite written in Java. Had the PP not been available I would have looked at an EeePC, because my needs could also have been met by it. Weight is EXTREMELY important to as I spend a lot of time in security lines at airports, regardless of laptop bag size.

I maintain that I use my N800 for browsing while out and about, but it's near impossible to do my work on it. Not to say that a sysadmin can't do his/her job on it, but we're not all sysadmins.

R.
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Well, the main reason I got the N800 was that the TSA treats your Notebook and Lap Tops like hell. I wanted something I can travel with - check email - answer if I need to and browse from the Hotel WIFI. I see people in the line all the time at the airports - they are required to remove their Note Books and plop them into plastic bins. If it comes out the other side your lucky. I can keep the N800 in my Backpac and place the whole thing in the bin without damage. You have to remember what you are getting small appliances for in the first place. If I could travel with my new Dell Vista system with the 19" LCD then I would BUT - it it not practical. The 800 is worth it's weight in gold. //ji

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Did I hear that the Eee doesn't have bluetooth? If so, that's a deal-breaker for mobility. That leaves you limited to hot spots for connectivity and otherwise off-line.

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Not to toot the EEE's horn; I don't own one and don't see it likely to happen in the future unless I go on some weird buying tangent. However, There are USB BT modules that are damn small. Like, stick out 1/4" or less (based on pictures I've seen). Yes it uses up a usb port etc etc. But there are 3 on the EEE, how many things are you going to plug up to that thing?

That said the EEE is an awkward size and feature set...

~!M

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5$ USB Dongle says hi

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In addition to the other replies, there are non-BT options as well (USB tethering to a cell phone, USB GSM dongles, USB EVDO dongles, etc.).

(and, as has already been stated, I'm not an Eee fan, just being fair)

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ontop of that:


In January 2008 you'll be able to buy HSDPA for Eee.
http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2007/1...or-eee-pc.html
http://www.i4u.com/article13308.html

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Well, if it has a >500mAh USB port you can buy a USB HSDPA dongle right now instead, of course. I've got one, for my laptop.

Why I love my N810?!
 

So this morning, on my 90-minute commute by Metro from Sterling, VA, to Washington, DC, I decided to "ssh -C -X -D3000 foremank@..." to my bastion host for the office. I immediately ran "screen", because that's what I do, and it's habit...

I checked my email, checked the server logs to make sure the nightly backups ran without a hitch, installed a couple packages on an Apache/Tomcat servers for a co-worker, and then started working on my report scripts, when...

OH, *****... I forgot about the Ballston-Marymount tunnel. 2 minutes in, and my AT&T Internet connection on the N810 dropped.

http://www.latheofdreams.com/N810/No...ersistence.jpg

I got to work, fully expecting my scripts and hard efforts to be gone. I log in, and guess what I found? Everything ran and my scripts were still there!

...

You know that -X works just fine with ssh on the N8x0, don't you? That magic parameter allows you to run Xwindows apps on your N8x0 just as you would a larger workstation. I typically pull up nedit, xchat, or various little apps from mine.

WELL, "screen" works with them too. :D No, I didn't know that either. I told a co-worker about my fear of lost scripts this morning, and that screen had saved my arse, and he told me he's been using screen and X on his N800. His connection drops, he reconnects, and his Xwindows are still there?!

http://www.latheofdreams.com/N810/sc...206.00.jpg.png

I'm showing all this to my Division Chief in the next manager's meeting. We're running a handful of N800 and N810 now, but I think every sysadmin here will want one after this!

I love my N810.

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That's the thing with screen: It's made for starting stuff, disconnect, re-attach later. It's an incredibly useful application.

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I would not even try and get a EEE into a trenchcoat pocket and I carry a lot of krieg in my leather trenchcoat on a normal basic.

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I don't mind buying an EEE as a mobile office, especially for traveling. I do multilingual stuff, and N8xx is not quite there yet for that kind of work.

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Last time I tried it, I couldn't get past thunderbird password prompt. How do you enter text on a remote, non hildonized, app? (with an n800 and no hardware keyboard).

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Damn my accounting job....I am unable to see a single excel attachment from my job emails....no luck for my, no productivity on the go so far

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No luck with Gnumeric?

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Nope...nothing :(

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Hmm.. that's odd, I've used it with quite a few and my partner uses it all the time. These are standard .xls files, not the new Office 2007 .xlsx files?

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He has an N810 now, which is part of the magic :D

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Standard .xls files but heavy ones, with macros and so, the only part I can see with gnumeric is partial text cells and no more...

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xkbd, xvkbd, matchbox keyboard, etc.

I've been using matchbox keyboard, need to figure out a better way to hide/show the keyboard though.

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I bought an Eee last weekend (wanted a new gadget to take away with me).

Introduction and comment facility at:

http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php...ook_nokia_n810

It's a very cool little device, and for ~£200 a bargain for a tiny, little, full-featured laptop. I imagine my N810 (when it ever arrives) will be used much more. Being in the middle of nowhere this week, I really missed the out-of-the-box Bluetooth of a NIT as I didn't have time to get a small Bluetooth USB dongle and set up all the command line scripts etc. before leaving.

For all the talk of the NIT not being a consumer device, it's level of integration and polish when setting up Bluetooth DUN connections is unsurpassed (even if my phone was set up wrongly by Vodafone and I needed to change the CID in Connection Manager).

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That's very true. When I bought my 770 I also bought my first cell phone. I had never used Bluetooth before, nor DUN obviously. It worked for me at first try and I never thought twice about it, until a while ago when l wanted to use the same phone for DUN with a notebook running XP. l was astonished at the amount of work and downright black magic that required !

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You all raise some great points.
I certainly have been immensely frustrated with the N800 at times but as I reflect on the thread here a little, I am brought back to the other devices I have used and see with clarity much the same scenario. While I am a little more 'user' savvy on the Palm OS, I had many frustrations with the Treo650 and at times more strangely the Palm TX with just plain bizarre behaviour or instability. I also looked at many other possible mobile options. Windows Mobile is just a big profit mongering fest for common apps that are hardly 'new'. I got close to purchasing a "Tablet Kiosk" product. A very nice and powerful unit but again XP.

So with the N800's I have stressed a bit, with Skype2008 working on one unit and oddly installed but non-launching on the other(fixed now), but my "attitude of gratitude" is growing every day here!

Really, when this baby is working it is working great. What about the part, everything is FREE !?!?!?
Aren't all these people, donating their time and complex efforts for nothing?
SO as much as I could really gripe and flame with these growing pains as a Palm/Apple crossover Linux newbie, I really have to step back and say KUDOs! to the development teams who are doing some truly funky stuff here. Really.
That's community. And these volunteers of sorts are really giving it momentum and professional look.
I now find myself 'bragging' (a little) to my friends who are still pondering their choices and waiting and waiting for a locked up iPhone or something crackberry.ish in Canada.

EEEE? sounds like a replay of the flavours of the ol e-mate/apple. yawn-againnnn. ;)

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For some the tablets work, for some they don't. I am among the latter. I do know my way around Unix but I am not a SysOp nor do I intend to become one. I wanted/needed a PIM/PDA system with some Internet-Abilities, text entry/storage abitities and PDF viewer capabilities. The "programmabel" was a nice add-on, the "Runs I-Want-to-be Unix" OS was acceptabel.

Sadly the 770 failed in most aspects for me and while text entry might be solved with the 810(1) if the keyboard is useabel but other aspects do not work out:

+ I have to carry a seperat phone
+ Since my company uses Exchange (and will do so until doomsday) I can't easily sync and back-sync data to the Nokia
+ Complex PDF files render rather slowly on the N770
+ The basic browser is lousy. The add-on ones are so-so
+ The Office package (AbiWord) was so-so and often unstabel
+ Software Installation was a PITA
+ Software Development was restricted to C and Phyton, no JAVA

The problems resulted in the necessity to carry a phone, the tablet and a PDA and finding space for all in a business suit.

Well, the 770 is electronic trash by now, I have a MDA that can

+ Phone
+ Sync with Outlook
+ Show PDF-files if necessary
+ Can do JAVA
+ Can do .NET

Much handier than the Tablets.





(1) Using a BT-Keyboard was not the solution. I don't wear cargo pants so carrying one means carrying a attache case. And if I carry that, I might just as well bring a EEE or similar subnotebooks

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I'm surprised you had to get an n770 to figure that out. I mean with a little bit of reading you could have figured out that the n770 is not the right device for you up front...
By the way: While i did agree on that "carry an extra phone issue" when i first got my n800, i know disagree: It is great that when i go out at night i can just take my small phone with me and carrying both on a work day doesn't matter cause i have a briefcase anyway...


PS: Java & .net sucks :D