iphone/touch vs n800
 

I have just tested the iphone. Why on earth should I not prefer iPhone over n800? (I do own an n800)

It's much faster (700mhz - feels 5 times faster), much better UI, smaller, incl GSM, have all the features as n800, the iPhone can perform all what the n800 can do...

:eek:

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1) Doesn't support flash
2) no expansion memory slot
3) keyboard is difficult to use
4) Need to send your phone away for a battery change
5) No comparison in screen size or resolution ( Nokia blows apple out of the park)

I am a newbie to linux and was having the same debate as you however after owning a Nokia N810 for a little less then a week I am in love with this thing. As far as gps, you can always get a bluetooth puck like freedom offers or Nokia sells the GPS receiver. My friend just returned his touch and bought an N810 after showing him mine :D. Keep in mind the iphone is a phone where the tablet is a pintsized PC! Hope this helps!

Brian

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Had you spent a minute doing a search instead of wetting yourself in excitement, you would have discovered that this has been discussed to death already. There was no need to start yet another thread on the subject.

R.
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I don't know you, so I have no idea why you shouldn't prefer the iPhone :)

I wanted a device with a higher resolution display (love crisp, itty bitty fonts, hate zooming), expandable memory, Linux, USB, real third party support, etc. I don't care about cellular, certainly don't want to be tied to any cellular contract for two years, and the $200 N800 price tag is nice, too.

For me the question is the opposite, but I can understand why others would want one, and I'd also be more than happy to take one as a gift :)

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Well... Don't know you but I use/need things that iPhone can not:
- Use Gizmo Project (SIP) account to make VoIP calls when overseas
- Use it as GPS device (I bought external Bluetooth GPS receiver for that purpose) Works great with free MaemoMapper!
- Transfer/save/copy files easy with removable SD cards (and external USB reader makes this even more flexible.)
- Upgradeable up to 32GB of memory as of today (2x 16GB SDHC cards are available) At the moment I use sinle 8GB card.
- Play most format movies using Mplayer, without converting first to some other format.
- Don't need to use iTunes bloatware (over 50MB!!! :eek:) to "sync" my N800.
- Play stream radio stations (Shoutcast... iPhone may work on this too?)
- Connect my digicam and camcorder directly to N800 using N800's USB host mode.
- Do video calling to home (using Gizmo) when travelling overseas.
- Skype, though I do not use it that much.
- I can purhcase extra batteries to swap if I need extended use time.

Just something to start... ;)

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I have and like both, I just wish there was a way to pair them. It would be a super power.

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Oh ... that's right... iPhones bluetooth support is severely crippled...

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I LOVE broad statements, especially when they're wrong. :D How else can forums gather thousands of useless posts!

Speedtriple I'll start you out with the three most obvious hardware differences:

480x320 screen vs. 800x480 screen
No removeable storage vs. 2 SD card slots
Apple replaceable battery ($79) vs. user replaceable battery

If you still think they have exactly same features and the iPhone can "perform all what the n800 can do", then you are the customer Apple is looking for :)

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No the iphone cannot play shoutcast streams out of the box. but there may be apps out there. i am not sure. i tried to play shoutcast radio streams on the touch in the apple store but could not.

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different strokes for different folks

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I was in the same position - here's what I thought:

GPS support - iPod touch has no bluetooth, and no USB host. Makes it a little tricky.
OS - once the API comes out for the iPod touch, it will be very cool, and there's the jailbreak. N800 has Linux.
CPU speed - hmmm. The N800 is slower, but the OS doesn't have all the very cool GUI effects. OS2008's de-underclock to 400MHZ is definitely a good thing!
Web browsing capability - The Touch has Safari. There's a webkit-based browser in planning for the N800, and for now we have Opera and microb. Hmm, I'd probably rather have the 800x480 screen, though browsing the web on the touch works quite well.
Cost - n800 is cheaper (here at least) although given the price of adding two SD cards for 16GB worth, that might even up...
Media playback - iPod Touch syncs with iTunes (while some of you may see this as a downside - on OS X, iTunes is much nicer than it is on Windows :) ), n800 is drag and drop.
Size - clear winner for the Touch! Given what it packs - it's truly tiny!
Expandability - n800 has USB host and 2xSD slots. iPod touch has... a dock connector with a serial line that could be hacked.
Wireless - n800 runs Kismet, and might be capable of an external USB wifi card. iPod touch has internal wifi, but I guess since I don't have one, there won't be a KisMac port for the time being.

I thought the n800 would be good. I'm coming from a Palm TX, so I'm not that hard to impress :) (The Garnet VM was a surprise...)

End result: They are very different devices. Put them next to each other and you'll see this.

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Another key difference is I never have to plug my N800 into anything in order to "unlock" its potential. Out of the box its pretty much a freestanding linux machine. I can use Rhapsody to listen to music, I can DL songs from Emusic directly to the device. I can use Transmission to Torrent ANY kind of media directly to the device. I can connect directly to any shared drive on my network. Pretty much all the software is free. The best thing is that Nokia ENCOURAGE me to do this they want the device to be open and believe that I can be trusted to take care of myself in the big bad open world.

Trust me, when that iPhone SDK comes out say goodbye to free software that people are used to because of Jailbreak.
The Apple products feature a much more robust ecosystem if you use iTunes and they have a better touchscreen.
Take your eye-candy and walled garden and give me openness and customization.
About the only thing I want from Apple is their webkit browser and thats on its way soon :) That way hopefully we can use the iPhone optimized web thats cool and all but is still fragmenting the www even more than it is already.

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I guess you could duct tape them together? one side's a phone the other the awesome tablet.

-Rip

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Gizmo on the n800 supports video calls ?

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It has all of the features of the N800?

You can use a bluetooth keyboard with it, for typing in your notes at a better/faster speed than using the on-screen keyboard?

You can, without hacking the device, add an ssh client to it?

You can, without hacking it, and without the lag of a web-app UI, access AIM, Yahoo, Jabber, and MSN chat?

You can, without hacking it, run a VNC viewer?

You can do bluetooth FTP to transfer files back and forth with your laptop or desktop?

You can, without hacking it, add 3rd party, native (non-web) apps to it?

You can, without hacking it, use a low cost/flat-rate VOIP service for your calls, instead of a stingy limited voice minutes plan?

You can, without hacking it, run a low cost music subscription client?

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You just can't easily configure a Linux server from scratch over a VPN connection with an iPhone.
That's one thing the N800/N810 do easily. I love how these >5 post trolls run in here babbling on and on about their iPhones.
My N95-3 beat up your iPhone.

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I stepped into this thread because I feel a greatly overlooked aspect of the tablet vs iPhone vs Archos chatter is that even though its not *great* with some video media, its media access capabilities are really strong. You simply cannot beat the fact that its a UMPC. That means that it can do a lot of extra stuff such as SSH - VOIP etc but still show me the iPhone or Archos that can connect to a torrent tracker, download an entire album in zip format, unzip it and load it into a media player that grabs album art from the internet in <10 minutes, while sitting on a park bench. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but when I did that last week next to my buddy who was playing with his ipod Touch, even he could agree that there was a definite advantage to the IT.

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I see a TV commercial - 2 people running down the street toward each other, not looking where they are going because they are using their gadgets, one an iPhone, the other a Nokia tablet - BANG!, they collide - smoke clears - and we see the brand new gadget....

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Trust me, this happened in school a few days ago! But the story ended differently. Just that the N800 fellow scratched his stand and iPhone scratched the screen :( as both devices crashed on gravel and sand. No new device though !

By the way the N800 will let u browse , ssh , listen to music , skype and Pidgin chat simultaneously. And now when there is a skype call it will mute the music so that you can talk. Multiprocessing ! I am afraid one cannot imagine that on an iPhone.

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Where did 700 mhz come from?

The 1.1.2 update overclocked the CPU to 412 mhz, up from 400 mhz
http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2007/12/0...s-clock-speed/

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Gizmo 4 does... tried it just another day.

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Where do i get gizmo 4 for the n800, I wanna try the video call thing :) since skype doesnt want to give us that feature no time soon!

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First, you need to have OS2008.

If you have that, then if you can see Gizmo project in your installable application list, it will install version 4 by default. If you can not see it in your application list, you can download the deb here:
http://www.gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia810.html

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Has anyone ever noticed that in these kinds of threads, the original poster "tosses his grenade" into the crowd, then is never heard from again? There was another thread here, something about leaving and getting an Eee...one post, then presumably he left, so the pages of replies probably were never read.

If you're gonna leave, leave. Don't bother telling those of us remaining that you're going. You most likely won't be missed, much less remembered, a week later.

It's not just this forum, I saw this all the time when I had an Amiga and frequented the Amiga newsgroups.

Anyway, my rant. Let's discuss it for the next few hours/days ;^)

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Yeah, frustrating isn't it?
Have to work, can't stay here 100% of my time.

Regarding the 700 mhz, I just heard from someone. Interesting iPhone is "just" 400 mhz also, it feels way quicker when surfing. Could be the OS2008beta is slow, and the 2008final will speed up.

Screen size on iPhone is smaller yes, but it is easier to use. Just tap to zoom, or use fingers. No stylus needed anyway(!).

The touchscreen on iPhone seems more sensitive, n800 is to low sensitivity. Have tried to find somewhere to adjust this, but can't find it. Maybe the 2008final will have such a feature.

N800 and iPhone is different products. Maybe the iPhone will suit me better, even if the N800 is a better/more complicated product (umpc-light). Different people, different needs.
Time will show.
:cool:

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I got that question too. I always remember 400 mhz mark from other sources for the iphone and ipod touch.

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See it is all about what additional features the device can give you.

My n800 can do streaming internet shoutcast radio. Which is really a great boon. You have have 30 gigs but radio is totally different. The element of surprise and the anticipation for the next song is wonderful. And you listen to songs which you missed downloading also. And there are thousands of internet radio stations to keep you busy.

Then there is voip and im. It is a good way to keep in touch when you are using multiple clients.

Then there is gps which is cool to have and really useful when you are in the car.

I can pretty much watch any flash site. I am not restricted to mobile youtube. I can watch dailymotion and embedded youtube videos in webpages.

Then there is support for multiple video formats using mplayer. it sucks when you download a video file from the internet and you cant open it.

The fm transmitter is really nice. And then i can use A2dp and connect wirelessly and use my bluetooth headset.

All these you may say that you dont use them. But you will appreciate the use only after you use them. For example a2dp is pretty rare these days. But it is really very convenient to use. After using it for some days you will never like to go back to wired headphones. For that matter after 6 months when apple makes a2dp a default in its iphones just see people say how wonderful it is. But the same thing has been there 6 months back. And it is available now although a little spotty.

Another great thing with the tablets is the wonderful linux world. Thanks to the n800 i am learing about linux and now understand how crappy windows is.

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It's just a matter of personal preference.

Some prefer the feature list and rich potential of the tablets.

Some prefer the form factor and polished user experience of the iStuff.

One is not inherently superior to the other.

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Hey, I didn't get one of those. :mad:

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I've compared the iPhone and the N800 side-by-side rendering the same sites, and my N800 (OS2007, no overclocked) is quicker than the iPhone.

I agree.

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I do think that, before the NIT tries to be a true consumer generalized device, it's going to need to be as finger friendly as the iPhone. I think that's something that the iPhone got right. I don't think that means getting rid of the stylus completely (I don't like the finger based drawing things you can do on an iPhone -- I think that Jobs is wrong: for some things, you do want/need a higher precision pointer than your fat fingers), but when you look at "the interface as a whole", as opposed to "specialized applications", the entire interface needs to be comfortably usable with your fingers. It should only be the most precision point/drawing oriented applications that require a stylus.

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I wonder how easy browsing on internettablettalk would be on the iPhone? Would you have to zoom way in to click the pages numbers and then zoom out to see the text?

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I for one find it hard to hit the page numbers even on the N800 screen. I wonder why noone else seems to bother. Links with the words "next" and "previous" would make matters easier. Ok, wrong thread I guess :o

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Yeah, I think ITT is a bad comparison page. Navigating it on the N800 isn't exactly a wonderful experience, either ;-)

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Agreed, have been toggling with the zoom controls to get a font size that I can read, and my eyes are pretty damn good.

I find the Touch has a pretty good battery life, compared to my n800.

Size-wise, I'd much rather go on a power walk with my Touch.

For watching videos/ looking at pics, NIT has bigger screen, but I wouldn't call the Touch screen crappy by any regard. The update for OS 2008 seems to have improved video quality alot though.

When I pull out the NIT it is more for Skype talk, quick surfing and maybe recording sound bytes (I am a music teacher). I also like the speakers for quick playback of stuff I record. It is also good for shooting a quick e-mail or 2, or sending pics.

My Touch is more for music listening, a bit of vid watching and the occasional browse on the net or YouTube. It is good for wijacking and checking Yahoo Mail when standing at a bus stop too. You can also log contacts and calendar stuff too which is more then I can say for the n800. (I find the contacts stuff included very clunky and unwieldly... I still marvel that a fine device like a NIT can have no real calendar apps included... but it doesn't bug me that much as I use my phone for that)

I think both are very exciting gadgets that have a lot of potential for improvement. I would dare to say that both will evolve in some astonishing directions, and that one may even feed off the other to a certain degree in terms of developing products that are all encompassing and efficient.

At least I hope that is what happens...;)