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ArnimS 2007-12-25 15:30

E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
http://www.sigcon.com/Pubs/news/10_01.htm

"Rollback the Lead-Free Initiative

I'm no expert in manufacturing technology, but I can smell trouble coming a mile away. I believe that our industry, having jumped onto the lead-free bandwagon, is headed towards a train wreck of immense proportions. Please tell your management."

ragnar 2007-12-25 16:18

Re: E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
Being critical should also apply to being critical towards articles that are being critical.

Going lead-free is an important topic, lead is a toxic and problematic substance to use in consumer products. Naturally whilst there are initial problems in finding replacement sources in all cases, imho it's rather silly to say that then the best option would be to not try to go lead-free at all. Selecting between the vast array of health effects caused by lead exposure or "whiskers" should be easy. :)

Milhouse 2007-12-26 00:05

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It's a bit like the use of hydrogenated fats in junk food which leads to the creation of trans fats which are extremely harmful to health - so harmful that Denmark has virtually outlawed the use of hydrogenated/trans fats in foodstuffs, and other European countries will soon follow. Food manufacturers have plenty of altenative choices which taste the same without the harmful health side-effects, yet they continue to use hydrogenated fats because they're cheap and extend the shelf life of products, not because they care about the health of consumers.

Same goes for consumer electronics manufacturers - find and use alternatives to lead (and other harmful toxic substances) and stop harming the environment. Unfortunately it takes legislation in order to stop consumer electronics companies from taking the easy option.

RoHS is not just about lead, but a whole host of other nasty and toxic metals and chemicals. The manufacturers are belly aching - too bad, deal with it, find a solution.

The EU have, for once, got this right. Perhaps when the use of hydrogenated fats is outlawed across Europe which may impact the way American food is manufactured, Americans such as Mr Burke will thank Europe for saving them from a coronary instead of complaining about the inconvenience of premature death? Nah, doubt it! :)

fpp 2007-12-26 11:02

Re: E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
asbestos, all over again... each time the big money predicts doom and each time civilization survives...

Texrat 2007-12-26 13:00

Re: E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
Inertia, apathy and greed seem to go hand in hand.

EDIT: I use 95% tin + 5% lead solder and other than the higher melting point have no problems. It may be a reasonable compromise for many applications.

ArnimS 2007-12-26 16:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 115235)
Being critical should also apply to being critical towards articles that are being critical.

Going lead-free is an important topic, lead is a toxic ....

Bzzt. No. Lead is not significantly toxic. In this case what 'everybody knows' is wrong.

Karel Jansens 2007-12-26 17:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArnimS (Post 115633)
Bzzt. No. Lead is not significantly toxic. In this case what 'everybody knows' is wrong.

Well, it does depend on its kinetic energy... :o

Milhouse 2007-12-26 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArnimS (Post 115633)
Bzzt. No. Lead is not significantly toxic. In this case what 'everybody knows' is wrong.

Erm... what evidence do you have that backs up this theory that lead is not significantly toxic? Would you be prepared to expose yourself to high levels of lead for only a few days? Because thats all it takes before symptoms of lead poisoining become apparent, such as slowed mental growth in children.

Texrat 2007-12-26 18:21

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Yeah, cause and effect on this one is very well established...

ArnimS 2007-12-28 13:02

Re: E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
My sources on this are personal discussions with professors at my university. Lead is an inert substance of very low toxicity.

Lead-containing compounds such as found in older paints can be significantly toxic. By analogy many molecules containing carbon are highly toxic, yet carbon itself is not.

brendan 2007-12-28 13:30

Re: E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ArnimS (Post 116645)
Lead is an inert substance of very low toxicity.

i dont know how long its been since you looked at a periodic table, but lead is certainly not inert...

in the table linked below, inert elements are shown in orange. lead is shown in purple as an "other metal"
http://www.corrosionsource.com/handbook/periodic/

Click on Pb for the following, where they list it as "radioactive" and a "cumulative poison"
http://www.corrosionsource.com/handbook/periodic/82.htm

ragnar 2007-12-28 13:45

Re: E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
http://www.nsc.org/library/facts/lead.htm

Starting with "Lead is a highly toxic substance, exposure to which can produce a wide range of adverse health effects. Both adults and children can suffer from the effects of lead poisoning, but childhood lead poisoning is much more frequent..."

free 2007-12-28 15:57

Re: E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
Or search for "saturnism"

TA-t3 2007-12-28 16:42

Re: E.U. Genius Politicians outlaw lead.
 
RoHS is _not_ much of a problem to make a fuzz about. The change was announced years ago, and the industry has been prepared for this for a long time and most have made the transition just fine. Even US companies (including e.g. niche guitar amp vendors) with part of their markets in Europe have made the transition. Sure, there are technically demanding issues, but they can all be dealt with. And with years to prepare most have managed it (and there are mechanisms in place to give you more time when you can't make it).

I work for a company which had to make the change. There's work involved but I've heard noone complain. Lead _is_ dangerous for your health, and if you're told otherwise you're dealing with a crackpot. The link to health problems is even more more clear han the one between smoking and lung cancer. It's rock solid.


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