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akd 2007-12-31 23:07

Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
After fresh installation, Microb seems to work normal, not very fast but just fine. But now, after apps has been installed is a complete disaster. Zoom function is sluggish, specialle if you have setted the adjust width option. Mostly, width adjust+zoom= crash or very sluggish situation.
Has anybody noted that? It's just me? :confused:

rdcinhou 2007-12-31 23:18

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
My OS2008 browser doesn't crash as you describe, but it does have issues on zoom with computing where text is supposed to be. It often will end up with negative margins in table data.

I suspect that your problem may berelated to one particular add-on application, or it may be a shortage of memory. My Nokia 9300 PDA/phone's Opera browser always did things like this when it was running short of memory to function in.

What apps did you install? Was the Ad-blocker one of them? It is enormous and a CPU hog as well. I don't run it though I am tempted with some sites.

YoDude 2007-12-31 23:51

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
I had issues because I had installed AdBlocker previously. For me This web add-on would not completely uninstall from the previous OS. It would leave the app manager but the icon would remain on pages, etc. No matter what I did, these remnants would carry over if I restored a back-up. Some of the problems you mentioned went away with a fresh install.

sevo 2007-12-31 23:52

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Zoom is problematic as long as set MicroB to fit to width - which is not really the fault of MicroB but rather of the many partially resolution-dependent sites, where a part scales and another does not. Opera seemed to be better there, but only because it failed to render many of these sites in the first place...

akd 2008-01-01 04:25

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Thanks for the answers...no, I've never installed adblocker because already know it is a cpu eater. The problems are more notorious on "heavy" sites, but I recall the browser was not so sluggish at first with the beta OS2008; same thing with the zoom. Anyway, we have no choice with OS2008 regarding the browser.
Happy 2008!!

iamthewalrus 2008-01-01 13:14

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Things to try:

- Run "browser" from the Xterm and watch for any error messages
- Check which applications are using up memory and cpu by typing "top" in Xterm.
- Delete or rename the user profile "/home/user/.mozilla/" and "/home/user/.browser". I've fixed other problems with Microb that way.
- Increase the swap

Still pages like the internettablettalk homepage take ages to load.

caulktel 2008-01-01 16:10

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
I found that if you go into the browser settings and disable Ad-Block plus first then go to the Applications manager and remove Ad-Block plus it goes away fine. Also make sure the browser isn't running when you try to uninstall Ad-Block.

akd 2008-01-01 17:45

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Setting cache size to automatic seems to improve things a bit. Evidently zoom+width adjustment is a killer combination for Microb. How would like to get Opera to give it a try with OS2008 :)

xandor 2008-01-01 18:49

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
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Still pages like the internettablettalk homepage take ages to load
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Am I the only one who finds this highly ironic (not to mention annoying!)

PJE 2008-01-01 19:01

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
I must have a different device, but MicroB (w/Adblock) on my N800 displays ITT fine...

I changed the D-Pad to page Up and Down rather than moving between links and increased the minimum font size a little (16). Then I browse at 100% without fit to width.

cakey 2008-01-01 19:04

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Yeah. Seems to me this site could be a lot more table-friendly.

achitnis 2008-01-01 19:34

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
PJE - I am trying to map left and right on the D pad to jump beteen links. I already have up and down to do ppgup and pgdn. what is/was the setting for the moving between links? Thanks!

mogers 2008-01-01 20:22

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xandor (Post 118895)
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Still pages like the internettablettalk homepage take ages to load
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Am I the only one who finds this highly ironic (not to mention annoying!)

No you're not alone - I no longer even try to view this site on my 800, no file mods or adblocking have helped the crashing & hanging, and I've given up complaining about it.

It's equally ironic that the 2008 MicroB has made Internet surfing a less enjoyable experience on the Internet Tablet! We really need an alternate browser. Another thing missing in the new version is the "Merge Frames" option, maybe that was Opera only - is there any other way to implement it?

habtool 2008-01-02 08:56

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
on the left hand bottom of the internettablet pages is a pulldown menu, change it from n810v2 or whatever its on now to say 'classic'.

this help speed up the rendering for me at itt site.

RipTorn 2008-01-02 09:08

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
I have found downloading files in microb painful, leaving a box open till the download is finished is just a horrible way to do it.

I also wish it had tabed browsing, the EEE has the same resolution as the N800 and they seem to manage it ok.

Just my 2cents.

All that said, its a fairly new browser and in general I haven't had it crash or do anything out of the ordinary, and I think the more mature it gets the better it will be.

-Rip

munky261 2008-01-02 09:23

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
i too would like to see tabbed browsing , but of course you have the naysayers on the matter , the response usually is some bs about well you have theapp switch button ,id rather not use it in browsing , id rather just have an 1/8' tab at the top like the IM's in pidgin have , it doesnt take up that much room

RipTorn 2008-01-02 09:33

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Doesn't having multiple windows open compared to multiple tabs open increase the memory usage? I've found in my windows box using Firefox it does.


-Rip

linuxrebel 2008-01-02 09:52

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
The argument I've heard over and over from people at Nokia is that they do have tabbed browsing. Its the little home key your hand is covering when you hold the IT.

On the other side I think a lot of their grief and hassles with the browser UI they have comes from the period where they had one UI and 2 engines.

flareup 2008-01-02 10:13

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PJE (Post 118899)

I changed the D-Pad to page Up and Down rather than moving between links and increased the minimum font size a little (16). Then I browse at 100% without fit to width.

I thought my eyes were going with the font size on the new os browser!

can you lt me know how you change the font size and the d-pad function?

technut 2008-01-02 10:38

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RipTorn (Post 119177)
I have found downloading files in microb painful, leaving a box open till the download is finished is just a horrible way to do it.

You can close the download dialog and the download will still continue.

maxilogan 2008-01-02 13:16

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by technut (Post 119201)
You can close the download dialog and the download will still continue.

Yes, and you (well, not *you* technut :) ) can check the download status by verifying on the menu / tools / Download (guess this is the right translation from italian)

akd 2008-01-02 13:58

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flareup (Post 119192)
I thought my eyes were going with the font size on the new os browser!

can you lt me know how you change the font size and the d-pad function?

About changing the font size, I follow these instructions and works fine (I've set a value of 15 instead 20).
Regarding the d-pad config, I think you need to hack registry but no sure. Is not as easy as with Opera.

dblank 2008-01-02 21:31

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flareup (Post 119192)
can you lt me know how you change the font size and the d-pad function?

Easiest way to get page up/down is to install http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/m...updown-0.1.deb

That will make all the config changes for you.

hordeman 2008-01-03 00:52

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
I noticed that my connection hangs a lot --- I don't know if its microB or something else because the same thing used to happen with Opera in OS2007.

Sometimes, I try to go to a site and it just says "connecting". The bar goes back and forth smoothly... like it doesn't stop for a split second to let me know that it is doing something. Even if I hit the green "go" button again, I get nothing. So, I have to disconnect and reconnect --- then, walah! The page comes up immediately.

Like I said, I don't know what's causing it --- I do know that it happens on both my broadband and tethering connection.

P.S. I have not done any restores from backup.

akd 2008-01-03 02:24

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dblank (Post 119525)
Easiest way to get page up/down is to install http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/m...updown-0.1.deb

That will make all the config changes for you.

Works like a charm!..thanks ;)

xandor 2008-01-26 16:33

Gee, is this a coincidence, but WFMU is playing Kraftwerk's 'I program my own computer' as I began to write this! Anyway...
I was hoping there was a browser alternative. but I guess not under 2008. Microb is mostly impressive except I really dislike its freezing, essentially, until EVERY LAST element of a page is loaded. Sick of being stuck at, like, 'Loading 499/500'!
Also, there seems to be no caching whatsoever. Each page, even the last one accessed, must completely reload from scratch!

iontruo2 2008-01-26 21:28

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hordeman (Post 119655)
I noticed that my connection hangs a lot --- I don't know if its microB or something else because the same thing used to happen with Opera in OS2007.

Sometimes, I try to go to a site and it just says "connecting". The bar goes back and forth smoothly... like it doesn't stop for a split second to let me know that it is doing something. Even if I hit the green "go" button again, I get nothing. So, I have to disconnect and reconnect --- then, walah! The page comes up immediately.

Like I said, I don't know what's causing it --- I do know that it happens on both my broadband and tethering connection.

P.S. I have not done any restores from backup.



Totally agree!!!! I have had the same problem. Drove me nuts. After a STOP request or a re-enter it would then pop up the full page. In frustration and newbie trial and error, I reinstalled the whole darn OS, pissed me off, and started completely from scratch with no former info or files. I also totally ditched the 'ad-blocker' program....and I must say while there are still some hangs etc , they are greatly reduced without it. ( my wife's unit still has it and it may well be the problem, but I don't really know). That said I will also affirm my connection is a good high speed and the problem only occurs on the tablets.

iamthewalrus 2008-01-26 22:18

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
My experience is that sometimes microbs configuration gets messed up and causes freezes. In that case delete the .mozilla folder and .browser file.

I posted some tips for tweaking Microb in this thread.. Maybe it doesn't solve this particular problem but it makes browsing a tad faster.

Also for adblocking you could use privoxy and/or hosts and usercontent.css file (search the forum for it).

BillC 2008-01-26 22:21

Re: Why Microb is a disaster now?
 
What I thought was a problem with MicroB on my N800 turned out to be a problem with OS2008s aggressive power save setting for WiFi. My router at home couldn't handle having the tablet's signal cut off so much and wasn't holding a good link. Everything else on my network was running well so it didn't look like a network issue.

I went to connection manager, manage connections, selected advanced, went to the 'other' tab, and reduced Power Save Mode to intermediate from high. Browsing is now a pleasure.


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