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akd 2008-01-04 12:43

It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
I think it's time to see a firmware update for the OS2008 considering that some serious bugs needs to be fixed asap:

-The finger keyboard bug
-the context menu issue
-the desktop' widgets issue (p.e. try to scroll the GPE summary without dragging the widget and you win a brand new N810) so a desktop lock function is mandatory.
You can add any other I missing :)
In my opinion, we cannot wait three months to have those serious bugs fixed; from my ignorance, I think that those issues would'nt be so hard to get fixed.

As to provide more flexibility, maybe for future releases, would be desirable to see:
-The ability to install the OS straight on SD cards when flashing
or the capability to install apps on sd cards due the limited internal memory size. (specially for newbies, non tech users)
- More flexibility to organize your files, specially for the sd cards (I would like to be able to put shortcuts for folders on desktop or any way to gain faster access to files on cards)
Maybe I'm saying something idiot, my apologies beforehand; in that case please enlighten me!

salida 2008-01-04 12:51

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
i totally agree with you, there are many bugs that have to be fixed right now.
in my opinion n800 with the beta os2008 was working smoother and nicer.
with the full release of os2008 n800 is having difficulties to open some applications with no reason.i cant remember the command that you check the cpu cycles.
Last but not least the MUST fix the broken REPOSITORIES

Benz145 2008-01-04 12:54

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
lol its definitely true about the GPE summary applet, so annoying! Mine wasn't even displaying any of my GPE applications data, and I can't make any categories in the GPE apps (as soon as I click new category they close themselves) any idea whats wrong?

aflegg 2008-01-04 13:05

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
It seems odd that you think an upgrade of the OS will resolve what is probably a GPE bug.

Given the length of QA, sign-off and planning that goes into a commercial software release you'd only see a rushed out firmware if there was a major bug. Nokia don't "release often, release early" - they, like many other software houses, release "when it's ready" (dependent on marketing).

OS2008 will get better and evolve, just as OS2005, OS2006 and OS2007 did.

lorelei 2008-01-04 13:05

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benz145 (Post 120632)
I can't make any categories in the GPE apps (as soon as I click new category they close themselves) any idea whats wrong?

Known issue: this thread may shed some more light on this problem...

more on topic: I also agree for an option to lock the applets...GPE summary is almost useless if you have a lot of appointments since scrolling is near impossible :(

akd 2008-01-04 13:11

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 120636)
It seems odd that you think an upgrade of the OS will resolve what is probably a GPE bug.

Given the length of QA, sign-off and planning that goes into a commercial software release you'd only see a rushed out firmware if there was a major bug. Nokia don't "release often, release early" - they, like many other software houses, release "when it's ready" (dependent on marketing).

OS2008 will get better and evolve, just as OS2005, OS2006 and OS2007 did.

As for my comment, my intention was to remark the need to be able to lock applets on desktop. The non locked applets affects not only GPE summary, sometimes others applets too!

mplawner 2008-01-04 13:14

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
And... I'll say it again (since apparently they already know how to fix it, but won't tell us how now): SOFTPOWEROFF!

TA-t3 2008-01-04 14:17

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
I've compiled my own little list of issues with OS2008, from other postings. The most serious one is probably those reports about possible re-occurances of the SD corruption bug (because of the more aggressive power saving feature, which presumably includes more frequent voltage drops). I have yet to see this one truly rejected or confirmed. Until clarified I won't upgrade..

(And uh, does the N800 FM receiver work or not in OS2008?)

rafaelwv 2008-01-04 14:23

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 120682)
I've compiled my own little list of issues with OS2008, from other postings. The most serious one is probably those reports about possible re-occurances of the SD corruption bug (because of the more aggressive power saving feature, which presumably includes more frequent voltage drops). I have yet to see this one truly rejected or confirmed. Until clarified I won't upgrade..

(And uh, does the N800 FM receiver work or not in OS2008?)

The FM Radio works, but it seems that it is interfering with BT headsets , after installing FM Radio, I wasn't able to get my headset to work again. It pairs, but it looses connection after 5 seconds and the sound is coming out of the speakers. Hm.

Greetings,

Rafael

geneven 2008-01-04 14:49

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
The FM radio works great for me, but I'm not using a bt headset.

As for SD corruption, if you are waiting for Nseries users to come clamoring forward, saying that they don't have SD corruption (I don't), people just don't usualy bombard troubleshooting centers with reports of non-problems.

The fact is that SD cards sometimes go bad. If you are waiting for a time when SD cards never go bad, you will be waiting quite awhile.

TA-t3 2008-01-04 14:54

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 120706)
The fact is that SD cards sometimes go bad. If you are waiting for a time when SD cards never go bad, you will be waiting quite awhile.

That would of course not be an issue. What I haven't seen confirmed/rejected yet is if the OS2007 SD corruption problem have reappeared - which is a different issue. It could be that it hasn't, in which case there's only "normal" SD card failures. That would be ok with me (in fact I've never ever had any SD card problem ever, and I have lots of devices, cards and readers. I've seen two damaged cards of co-workers though.).

akd 2008-01-04 15:09

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 120682)
I've compiled my own little list of issues with OS2008, from other postings. The most serious one is probably those reports about possible re-occurances of the SD corruption bug (because of the more aggressive power saving feature, which presumably includes more frequent voltage drops). I have yet to see this one truly rejected or confirmed. Until clarified I won't upgrade..

(And uh, does the N800 FM receiver work or not in OS2008?)

Yes, re-occurances of the SD corruption would be the most serious bug. I should say that after my fried sd whit OS2007 first release, so far no problem at all.
But finger keyboard and context menu are no minor bugs too, and very annoying btw.

NSchively 2008-01-04 15:12

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
I've had more success with GPE Summary using the scroll buttons at the top and bottom of the scroll bar. I think it's less a bug than a design issue interfering with the OS2008. In other words, when you click and drag on the scroll bar - which worked in OS2007 when the applet was locked down - OS2008 interprets that as a click and drag the entire applet. Note that the RSS Reader can be shrunk down to only show one feed, and scrolls through them. There is a barely functional scroll bar to the right, but HUGE scroll buttons on the bottom....

jmancine 2008-01-04 15:26

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
The keyboard "bounce" issue (doubble lletterss) is #1 on my list of annoying bugs!

Also, the way os2008 handles text selection with respect to opening the keyboard and repositioning the text box on the screen. I prefer to see what I'm typing.

I might actually head back to os2007 until the next release. The only reason I upgraded was for BT headset support in skype...which "works" but isn't useable.

IMHO, the n8x0 is fun in a linux tech-geek sort of way (which is the only reason I still use it), but not if you intend to use it for real world applications. I'm not sure if Nokia needs an overhaul of their QA department or what, but I can't imagine a major corporation actually taking this os out of beta in its current state.

It just seems that the solution is always to reinvent tthe wheel instead of working toward mass-compatibility. And in that respect I do not expect the n8x0 to ever be ready for primetime...a shame since the hardware is great.

Texrat 2008-01-04 15:30

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
I'm sure there will be a bug fix soon.

Meanwhile, I'll be testing Diablo and making sure I let them know of problems... :D

bartsimpson123844 2008-01-04 15:48

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
I agree, we need an update Nokia!

We need A2DP BT Stereo audio support, soft power off would be frickin' awesome if that is even possible, a fix for the damn repositories, and somehow have the option of locking the home screen.

adammelancon 2008-01-04 15:56

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmancine (Post 120738)
The keyboard "bounce" issue (doubble lletterss) is #1 on my list of annoying bugs!

This is quite high on my list to. The keyboard just feels "off" a bit to me.
With this latest update on my N800, I almost dread when I have to type something with the on screen keyboard.

jackass124 2008-01-04 16:03

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
wow...so skype with bluetooth support is NOT usable? damn..i just ordered a bluetooth headset! :(

migs 2008-01-04 16:07

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
A2DP BT Stereo audio support would be high on my list also native support for zipping unzipping files..

bartsimpson123844 2008-01-04 16:33

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackass124 (Post 120781)
wow...so skype with bluetooth support is NOT usable? damn..i just ordered a bluetooth headset! :(

Uhh, nobody ever said this. If you have an A2DP headset, it will just work with the HS/HF BT Profiles. The only thing that sucks is that A2DP is not supported with OS2008, so you won't be able to get high-quality sound (e.g. watching movies, listening to music). You will be fine when using them with Skype, etc. however. Don't worry, it will work just fine.

Tony Thomas 2008-01-04 16:36

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
There is also a Bluetooth keyboard pairing bug that needs to be addressed. Bugzilla Bug 2640.

akd 2008-01-04 17:11

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adammelancon (Post 120769)
This is quite high on my list to. The keyboard just feels "off" a bit to me.
With this latest update on my N800, I almost dread when I have to type something with the on screen keyboard.

Yees, I forgott thhat :D

Traecer 2008-01-04 17:31

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Ditto everything akd said, plus:

-Adjust touchscreen sensitivity to more closely match OS2007 or, better yet, add a control panel widget so users can do it themselves.

Of course, funny thing is, the last few OS2007 versions HAD a touchscreen sensitivity slider, but it was apparently taken out of Chinook. My thumbs are apparently incapable of clicking on a link without the newly-too-sensitive touchscreen thinking I dragged instead.

hircus 2008-01-04 23:50

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Well, the SD corruption bug happens on perfectly good SDs.. like the internal (non-removeable!) memory card Nokia bundled with the N810. Mine did a write error when writing out a backup, which was rather catastrophic, and a quick search of the forum shows that it happened to quite a few people. All with brand-new N810s. In all cases, once you manage to reformat the offending card (after fsck-ing and getting as much data out as possible), the hardware is perfectly fine.

TumbleweedToo 2008-01-05 00:24

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
I agree! I got my N800 today and it worked fine on the Internet through my wireless WEP connection. Then, I upgraded the Firmware to 2008 and I could never get it connected to the Internet or my wireless WEP connection again (though I reinstalled 2008 a couple of times and tried the suggestions on what to do here). What a pain! Fortunately, from this Forum I learned how to roll back to 2007 and now I am happily on the Internet again. I wonder how many N800's are returned as unusable after these upgrades by people who do not know about this Forum? I am disappointed in Nokia for sure! An firmware upgrade might be cheaper for Nokia than a bunch of returned bricks and dissatisfied customers!

wizink 2008-01-05 01:06

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
I'm surprised many of you haven't mentioned trying to scroll with the micro-b browser, the very annoying highlighting bug instead of dragging/scrolling. That is unless there is a fix for this that I would like to know about...

akd 2008-01-05 14:25

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wizink (Post 121095)
I'm surprised many of you haven't mentioned trying to scroll with the micro-b browser, the very annoying highlighting bug instead of dragging/scrolling. That is unless there is a fix for this that I would like to know about...

Yes, you're right,.microb itself has a lot to be improved, and so far it's our only option..sadly.

migs 2008-01-05 18:33

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by akd (Post 121348)
Yes, you're right,.microb itself has a lot to be improved, and so far it's our only option..sadly.

It's not our only option, thier some talented folks working on Firefox for OS2008 it partially working already
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ight=minefield

dblank 2008-01-05 18:43

Re: It's time for new OS2008 firmware update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by akd (Post 121348)
Yes, you're right,.microb itself has a lot to be improved, and so far it's our only option..sadly.

It's not the only option, but for many it's probably the best.

My favorite browser on the tablet is links with graphics support (http://links.twibright.com/features.php)

There's also WebKit based browsers (such as midori) that may render certain websites better than MicroB, but have their own drawbacks.

I generally start with links first, then try in MicroB or midori if links has problems.

akd 2008-01-05 19:34

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Don't get me wrong, but at this stage, they don't represents real options to microb imho.


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