PPPOE connection?
 

My ISP requires using PPPOE to connect to the internet but I don't know how to add the PPPOE to my new N800 (upgraded to OS2008). Can any experts help? Thanks.:(:(

Re: PPPOE connection
 

PPPOE configuration is done in the router, not the N800.

Re: PPPOE connection
 

Thanks. But my ISP requires me to log in with a pppoe dialer (when I use mac, I have to run the dialer & key in username & password). I don't know what kind of pppoe dialer should be installed in N800 & don't know how to install (I've only a little bit knowledge about Linux. N800 is using Debian but a brief / mini version, right?) Thanks again.

Re: PPPOE connection
 

If you want internet on your N800 using your ISP, then you need a wifi router.
1. Do you have one?
2. If so, is your Mac connected to the ISP's internet modem directly, or
3. Is your Mac connected to the wired port of the router, and connected to the internet via the router's DHCP server? If so, then you must have already setup the PPPOE in the router config itself.
Please give some more detail on your setup.

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Yep, the preferred configuration for this is to use either a modem plus ppoe-capable router, or an integrated dsl modem/pppoe-capable router (e.g. the common Thomson ones they often give out for free with broadband services). Then there's just a question of configuring the router, and nothing to do on the computers. Safer too, because you have that additional router (if it's got a firewall too - if not, put one in between) in front of the computer(s).

Re: PPPOE connection
 

Usually PPPOA is done on the _router_
PPPOE is an end to end (means an encapsulation client is needed on the device) that has to pass through a modem/bridge.

In practice, a _router_ (with IP adress) can established the pppoe connection but I've never seen this. Well, last time I had internet at home was 4 years ago..

Still a pppoe client could be handful on the nokias.. for people with modem/bridge

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free: My sister has a setup with PPPOE in the _router_. There's no conflict with it being and end-to-end protocol, after all it's simply Ethernet encapsulated over PPP. The router is the single IP seen by the ISP, the modem/router in turn uses DHCP plus NAT to talk to your in-house computers.

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:rolleyes:Thanks everybody. I'm in Hong Kong where internet services for non-commercial users (at a lower cost) are dynamic IP addresses. So most most (if not all) users should "dial-up" with some sort of a small program before connecting to the service (before "dialing", one can connect to the ISP but cannot really connect to the internet).

No matter whether my mac book is connected to a wireless router or with a wired connection, I should run a rp-pppoe program and key in "user name" & "password" for my ISP to identify that I am a paid user.

But I'll explore if I can configure my wireless router to do the pppoe dialing and then share with all my experience. Thanks.

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Yes, modem/router != modem/bridge.
Was this delivered/rented by the ISP directly?
I remembered at the time when they said on the contract that your not allowed to put more than one box between each subscription. For average joe, with a modem/bridge it was harder to do as they had to setup their PC as a gateway for the others. Maybe this plus the price of a router is why the ISP were not giving it with the subscription.
Anyway
PPP=point to point network
Over
Ether=diffusion network
:eek:

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The modem/router came from the ISP, originally it wasn't PPPOE. Then the ISP was bought by another ISP which use PPPOE everywhere, for all the old customers they sent out a CD to execute from the PC, it ran a program which reprogrammed the modem/router (for those of the customers who preferred to continue using the modem given to them by the old ISP) to PPPOE. After that it was just plug and play as before (i.e. dhcp to get an IP from the modem. My sister connected a wi-fi/wired router to it and connected everything else to that).

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OK, so I read all this and I still haven't seen the answer.

Is there a PPPoE client for the N800 or not?

The WLAN routers that Alice gives out with their Internet service in Germany do not allow you to automatically set the Username/Password in them. You make a new "Network Connection" in Windows and through the wizard you can enter the UN/PW.

No such option on N800?

PS: Even if I could hack my router and get it in (I've tried and gave up after 3 hours), every time I go to a friends house I'd have to hack THEIR router just to check my email..

Anyone?

Re: PPPOE connection
 

Likely not, yet, but one could be compiled for it, like Roaring Penguin RP-PPOE. I'm not sure how you could get it to work with wifi though. Typically PPPOE Linux clients are used on wired ethernet connections, so the N8x0 setup would likely require a fair bit of Linux work under the GUI covers. (As far as I know.)

I would focus on configuring that ISP device with PPPOE credentials, or replacing it with one that can.

Another possibility is to introduce a new device behind it that translates from PPP/Ethernet to wifi and normal ethernet. If it has a wired port for connecting a PC/laptop that would expect to run the PPPOE client, add a PPPOE wifi router there and connect your wired and wireless devices to it.

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Well, I have four good friends that have these routers that require logins. Therefore, I need to buy four routers. I was hoping a simple login app existed so I could just enter the UN/PW and save it.

I think the Penguin RPPPoE could work. I can connest wirelessly to the WLAN router easy enough. The problem is from the router to the ISP - I need to log in. With a laptop you can do it with WiFi or wired Ethernet.

It's such a simple thing and is it so uncommon? I know others that have this same situation but with different ISPs.

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I've just rebuilt rp-pppoe, have a try. It's called pppoe (duh!)

There's no gui (although I see something existing in tk which I've also ported but .. we don't need no stinking gui!), then you have to use pon/poff

You'll need ppp also.

I have no ppp connection to try so you're on your own :)

Re: PPPOE connection
 

The typical answer is to use a router to do the
job. Sympatico in Canada moved to PPPOE a number of years ago, before PPPOE support was common. People were forced to use a crappy client on Windows (98?), and David Skoll wrote rp-pppoe as a reaction.

Most people I know have routers that they control to act as the PPPOE gateway, so they can network their home devices easily without dealing with pppoe on each.

For example, little network printers, etc. It
complicates matters to deal with PPPOE on
every typical home device. Wii, xbox, etc. (Plus you can't control what home traffic is traversing out to the ISP.)

It would be interesting to see the details of what they've done. Ie, do you get an IP before you negotiate PPPOE? Or do you do some point-to-point wlan connection, then negotiate PPPOE?

Good luck!