Big-time Rant of the N800
 

When I initially got the N800 a few weeks ago, it was a wonderful new toy for me to play with. It still is. But that's part of the problem with the device. It's more a toy than a tool to me, only because of the inconsistancies and unreliable features I've come to expect failure from. Now I digress: the hardware is great and speedy- sexy and ergonomic. The IT2008 firmware offers better features and appearance. IT2008 also offers two major flaws I cannot recover from, with no solution in sight that make the device less useful in two applications that I depend on.

1) Microb browser failure to connect. Other people have had the same issue, and all of us have tried the wlan idle time fixes to no avail for some. Happens in the middle of browsing for short periods of time (e.g. longer than three clicks on links, browsing between pages or moving forward.) Forces me to close and restart Microb.

2) SD cards tend to unmount, or at least do not show up at all on the device on occasion. I had it happen to me several times while playing back audio files from the card(s) and also when I didn't access them at all during a session. This problem rears it head whether or not I move around with the device or whether or not it's plugged into power.

I am new to the device, and have much experience in the tech sector. I do not have much experience in administering Linux from the command line. My background is mostly in Windows products or FreeBSD/Linux firewall/routers. So I represent most of the people who consider themselves to be "geeks" or "techs." I also represent the newbs, as my own experience doesn't allow for modifying Linux outside of a GUI.

If you are trying to replace a Windows Mobile device or Palm (PDA) with this Nokia offering, please look elsewhere. You will NOT get the same sort of near-seamless operation out of the box with the Nokia tablets. I am saying this with many years of Windows CE, Pocket PC, and Windows Mobile experience that I grew to love. The only reasons I am a convert are as follows:

1) Windows Mobile has a far inferior browser experience.
2) Windows Mobile has fewer browser plugins/web compatibility.
3) Windows Mobile has a much smaller, inferior screen.

Besides the screen, there are only the Web advantages on the Nokia over WM. And those are negated by failures from the Microb browser to browse for long periods of time or take breaks and continue browsing. And as for the screen, the Nokia does NOT switch between landscape and portrait like WM2003SE forward. This is a HUGE drawback I wasn't aware of when I chose the Nokia N800.
Furthermore, audio playback (while smooth and tonally rich enough) does not achieve the same kind of volume output that WM devices have provided to me since early 2000, nor the kind of solid reliability of access for removable memory cards. My disappointment has increased over time as I carry the device everywhere with me and expect it to work all the time, as I hardly ever multitask. Either I am listening to MP3's, or I am surfing, or I am using a mapping application.
Now to mapping. The built-in app included in IT2008 OS would be nice, if it worked at all. It does not load at all when executed. Maemo Mapper is well and good, but you need to download the maps which can be confusing in comparison to Streets & Trips for creating map areas for mobile use. Anyone used to mapping software that you select an area for copying to your device (almost all of mobile mapping programs) will likely wonder about this detail, and ask the same question over and over for each new user that buys the device. Has anyone seen the posts yet about this? Of course you have. The WM devices have an edge here, but of course those solutions are pay-to-play, so IT2008 is cheaper in the end. But.... Streets & Trips only costs about $20 a copy, and works on your desktop or laptop as well, giving the software extra functionality. So in effect, you are only paying $10 for the Pocket Streets portion if you find value in the desktop software, which you certainly will. Add to the fact your time is money (unless you are a slacker or have no family to take care of) and the WM devices merit much more attention since they are more reliable and perform when and where you want, without having to study internet forums beforehand.

This is a huge rant, and I expect retorts from the choir. But it needs to be said. If someone technically adept, but new to the device, cannot fix what's wrong with it without studying up and getting schooled on the device's inner workings, then there's got to be a problem. It's as if Nokia tried to make it easy to use, but failed on so many different levels. Certain things are simple and even easier to use than a WM device. Others are abysmally granular beyond reason or just plain unreliable.

The device has crashed on me more times in three weeks than all the time I ran WM or WinCE devices.:eek: That's unacceptable. The N800 is marketed as an Internet Tablet, but I have so much trouble using the browser reliably that I loathe when I HAVE TO use it. I do admit that when at a hockey game, the arena's public WiFi was streaming youtube between periods for my son and I to watch automotive videos and some middle eastern guy drifting a bicycle. And sometimes the wireless connection will hold out long enough to read my webmail accounts. Once in a while I can use the media playback on the N800 to listen to some songs without having to reboot the device or re-insert the formerly fine SD cards.

Keep in mind I still WANT the device to work. I still WANT to keep it and improve its reliability. I'm hoping to work out the issues and if nothing else, the N800 will help me to learn more about Linux and command-line expressions. But the average user will not want to keep it, they will return their N800 and go buy a smartphone or iPhone and get locked into a contract or they will buy one of the few remaining PDAs on the market. Maybe they will pony up for a full UMPC. I'll more than likely do all of the above, because that's the way I am about technology. I just have to get my hands dirty in it. I'd just rather have a more proven device to rely on day-to-day and the N800 will live in a drawer until I get bored with it and sell. I feel used by Nokia, for giving me hope that paying $250 will bring me a replacement for what I used to depend on. Do you think I'll buy another ITOS device, without significant development to improve on reliability? Forget it. You shouldn't need to learn ANYTHING to use the device day-to-day the way it was designed. And I shouldn't need to go out and spend $300 to buy a new WM device to replace the sad remnants of a dream.

Bah! Forget about it. I can't convice you if you already set your heart on a new N8x0 device. Go ahead, buy one and suffer for a while! It will be fun. You'll have a grand time trying to band-aid the dream to create a fantasy. You'll eventually wake up and understand the soapbox antics here in this very post. I double-dog-dare you to try! You may succeed in your endevor, but the word that comes to mind here is "demanding:" such as a trophy-wife that saps the blood out of your wallet while secretly having an affair on the side with your gardener. Except with your N800 you don't get a sweet babe to fornicate with.:eek: And it's your intellect that will be sapped as you dedicate more mental workspace to problems and solutions for the N800. The N800 is certainly a dirty "hoar" in this aspect.:D

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Dunno, neither of these bugs show up over here, and I use my device a lot. Sounds like you messed something up.

Also: you should consider investing your free time in more constructive activities.

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Thanks for the post. The N800 has these qualities under two re-flashes of OS2008, with no additional software and well seated cards. The door magnet switch is intact as well.

As for the critisizm, this post was meant to be constructive. It will save average users the trouble of buying an IT200x device so they can purchase something that will fit their needs better. Saving people's time buying, returning, and finding something more up their alley allows them to be more constructive.;)
For the people who are die-hards, more solutions will be found for particular batches of units or revisions of software. Eventually the devices will get so good that many more average users will jump on board, so long as Nokia gets more involved with user issues and streamlining the whole repository and install process with a built-in clearinghouse of repos that are populated by 3rd parties with no more dependancies or other trivialities.:)
If they don't, it will be curtains for the ITOS devices as they are.

Little-Time Rant Back Atcha
 

Like you, I'm new to the platform. I haven't encountered the level of flakiness you have, but I agree with your conclusion.

The level of polish in the software is not that of a released consumer product. It feels like an early beta that does not quite have all the features implemented.

I happen to love my new N810 and have used it for many hours. I put the contents of a two pound notebook into it in PDF. I check email and stock quotes, listen to Internet radio, and play one of the games. I bought it just to use on the road, and am delighted to have discovered all these uses around the house.

I've also reported a number of bugs, mostly of the variety of "when the user does this, it ought to do that but it does something else." These bugs shouldn't have made it through beta.

The user facilities feel incomplete. One of many examples: How come (unless I'm missing something) I can add a radio station to the Favorites, but can't move one from the Favorites to some other folder?

I couldn't recommend it to anyone but an early adopter - who will probably love it as I do, and keep trying to help polish the software.

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I don't have the problems you speak of browsing on my N800... but it took 10 months for the right combination of user tweaks and OS for that to be said.

I also use a WinMo device running 2003 in my work vehicle and the browser just plain sucks... Not to mention I don't dare disconnect it from the charger for any length of time or risk loosing everything stored in RAM... Where it shines over the N800 though is the third party apps. TomTom navigator, my weather app, and assorted Today screen widgets run continuously on it. However, that took almost 3 years to sort out.

Now that I have Wayfinder up on OS2008 and can now also connect through my phone, I use the N800 exclusively during my personal time. I can throw the thing in my jacket pocket on Friday night and not have to worry about charging again until Sunday evening. I can also carry 16 gigs of USB accessible mass storage on the dang thing.

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I've said it before elsewhere...I agree that the n8x0 and os2008 are not ready for primetime. I use the thing daily, and it seems daily that I find another quirk. It boggles my mind that this platform made it through QA and out of beta.

But it is what it is. I still use it and have found ways to work around or ignore the things that suck.

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I had open arms to OS2008 and it stabbed me dead before I could embrace it. It's great yours doesn't have the same issues!
The good thing is a more powerful, updated WM device lives in the guise of the HP iPaq 111. It should work better for me until I can sort out the N800 or sell it when I'm done with it. It has:

*Real support for stereo bluetooth and headset profiles.
*Rotatable screen.
*Smaller size/weight.
*Better or equal battery life.
*Compatiblity with and more support for file types I use.
*Built-in notes and recording app that really works.
*Fast memory and CPU (equals or betters OS2008 performance)
*WiFi B/G, Bluetooth everything.
*FAR better reliability.
*SDHC/SDIO support!
*Oh yeah! And configurable hardware buttons!

Still no consumer IR port though :mad:

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My N800 has never suffered from the timout/unmount errors others complain about. I agree its confusing and frustrating when something that should work, flakes out, but don't worry things will get better the more people are using and working on these device/software issues.
I was sick of Palm and waiting for a current technology device.. But, now guess what? I kind of miss the old Blazer browser- Not as many ads, and the optimized view was pretty quick and easy to read. I like using G-talk with the N8's though..so, go forward..

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When I show my n800 to people it always comes with the caveat that the device is *not* for them. The average consumer is much better off with an iTouch than this device because of the issues required to do many things with it. It is very much an enthusiast device in my opinion and installing various programs can be a hassle. Yes, I find the programs useful, but that does not mean that the device is generally usable since I come to the table with a firm linux background (one reason why I chose this device). However, I find developing in the virtual environment to be excessively painful. So the device is full of pros and cons and it will always come down to the user and the needs of the user. For the person who is seeking to pick up a device for simple net access I turn them to the iTouch since I know they will far less frustrated with it.

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What's funny is that Nokia never really stated that the Tablets are for consumers just yet. In fact, I was personally standing in the room when Bill Plummer, VP for Nokia North America said, in L.A., that the Internet Tablet lineup is still somewhere between geek and consumer. The 770 was obviously geek, and the N800 (at the time running OS2007) was a *small* step closer to consumer, and that it would be a few more generations before it was entirely ready for the consumer market.

Thus, I'm not surprised that you feel the tablet isn't ready to replace consumer goods. It's not designed to. Not to say your desired uses aren't legit.

However, the Tablet also works PERFECTLY for some people. For me, I can use it as a portable blogging tool, and it works better than any other mobile device that I've tried.

I am, however, interested to know why in the world you'd want to browse the web in portrait mode?

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Oh no, I wouldn't use the BROWSER in portrait mode, but some other apps are better in this mode than landscape. Such as music playback... Holding a device in portrait is more comfortable and better still, having the flip ability can also allow you to use your hardware buttons in EITHER hand.... Not just the left!
Re-mapping buttons globally is also a great feature.
EDIT: The sales channel has no mention, nor does the Nokia site itself, of a non-consumer target audience. Most people don't go to tech conventions.

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Good call. I don't like the iTouch myself, but average Janes and Joes will get the most for their dollar and state-of-mind there.

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Fair enough, just wondering.

As to the sales channel - quite obviously it's marketed towards....whoever.

With OS2008, it's definitely MUCH closer to being a consumer device. My mom, for instance, can pick up my tablet, without any help from me, figure out how to get to the browser, games, and internet radio.

Personally, I think it's kinda fun that the typical features work well, while there's still plenty of geeking to be done with the thing.

I also personally am thrilled to death that the Internet Tablets don't resemble Windows Mobile in the least bit. Again, personal preference. :)

Also, this is why there's resources such as this forum, and bloggers such as myself, Tabletblog.com, maemoapps.com, and Tablet School (forgive me, i don't have the link off-hand). To help others learn about their new toy.

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Yeah, the "geeking" certainly charmed me too.
And IT2008 DOES address some of the nagging buried menus or running programs, and silly nonsensical stylus-centric use for a passive touchscreen! Why not an onscreen thumb-board? Why is my memory full? Etc.
Of course there are solutions for these issues on WM devices. But again, it's all in preference of GUI. To me, they both have great appearance but I'd edge more towards IT2008.

Unfortunately, I've had a bad experience overall due to unreliability and the general newb difficulties offered all over this forum. People like you are what keeps things in some sense of order in here, trying to help out rather than lash out. I appreciate this greatly.

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Zeusenergy, I appreciate the truth in packaging ('champion of flame wars'), and I'm struck by your verbose and grandstanding production of heat versus light, gas versus lucid criticism. Despite the high quotient of frustratiion and even distress expressed by many people struggling to resolve their problems with the N800 in threads on this site, you stand out as a complete and utter tool.

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Because he does. No other reason needed. Actually for reading HTML based documents (like chm books) it is nice. But just because you nor I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean others won't. Heck a lot of people in here use Windows and I find that totally amazing. :confused:

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Thanks!
I'm glad my depth of view has humored you so!:)

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Dear Zeusenergy,
I'm talking to myself today to make it apparent how foolish I can be and mock myself for being cynical and sarcastic in so many ways. Too many people these days take things ever so seriously and never have fun in life. Make sure this never happens to you by never changing your attitude, Zeusenergy. It's more fun and you won't succumb to the drudgery that afflicts the ultra-serious. You aren't the best at everything, and neither is the guy who heckles you. You can be both intellectual and fun at the same time to the same degree, and so most of the detractors don't understand the myriad nuances you portray.

Your friend, Zeusenergy.

PS. Go get yourself a prime rib and a Guiness to wash it down to celebrate! I'll meet you there:p

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Right. it was certainly intended as an innocent question, not trying to be rude. I thought perhaps I was missing something in my browsing.

@Zeusenergy - you mention the lack of a thumbboard in IT2008. You ARE aware that there is one, right? On a text field, if you press the center on the d-pad, you get a very friendly thumbboard. I have actually written entire blog posts on this, and once you learn it, you can get REALLY quick on it.

What sucks is that OS2007 it was incredibly easy to get this thumbboard. The OS easily recognized when you tapped with the stylus or your finger, and consistently gave you the appropriate keyboard. In OS2008, it's become MUCH harder to touch the screen and get the thumbboard. You actually have to physically THUMP the stupid thing.

I'm all for making the activated keyboard consistent, but it seems really backwards to me that if I touch the screen, I get a stylus board, whereas if I touch the hardware button, I get a touch-keyboard. Seems it should be the other way around, hardware for hardware, touch for touch.

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Nope, your comment wasn't taken as a "dig" by me anyway.
As for the thumboard, it was in reference to the WM devices. I love the fact that IT2008 has a thumb-board and this gives IT2008 a point in it's favor. The stylus-centric behavior is exhibited by WM.
And again, you also added a helpful comment here to help me if I didn't already know about the d-pad center button trick. Kudos!

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Glad I could help. As soon as I get my act together to start updating Tablet-Guru.com regularly again, I'm sure I'll have gained you as a reader. :)

Re: Big-time Rant of the N800
 

Hey, rcadden

Do you have anything about how the heck you use x-term? Maybe a simple tutorial or two?

Neil

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Find yourself an intro to bash on google.

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I've been there and done that;) I've been on your site many times before and after purchase!
Thanks for the useful input and dedication.
And thanks to the two posters above for helpful input:D

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erm im sorta a noob aswell, i have no idea about linux and stuff, i just got the n800cos it looks cool, but ive had none of those problems you described, like the sd or the connection, mine just works fine :S mabey yours is broken?

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Hello All,
Instead of opening a new thread I'll take a ride in this one. :-) I've had my N800 for about one month now. To make things "better", it is my first experience with Linux/Maemo as well.

After tinkering around with the OS 2007 I decided to upgrade to OS 2008 since Nokia released the non-beta version. I have the 2.2007.50-2 running right now.

I feel it's more stable than 2007 and seems to be a bit faster. The new Internet browser is noticeably better since the one in OS 2007 would crash almost every 5 minutes.

The negative points, so far, are:
1) the finger keyboard does not work so well as in 2007. It's a pain to get it working and I cannot find the screen sensitivity adjust that was available in the OS 2007. The manual does not mention anything. Was it removed?

2) the new desktop icons are kind of "childish" (rudimentary) if compared with their equivalents in the 2007 version, which looked much nicer. Is there a way (that does not involve rewriting codes or the likes) to change the desktop icons?

3) the new application launcher menu takes a lot of space and I wonder if it would be possible to reduce the height of those rectangles that contain the application names or even eliminate them and have menus similar to the Windows start menu.

4) I liked better the way OS 2007 "locked" the applets in the desktop and it was not possible to accidentally move them around.

I did some searches around but could not find anything addressing the issues/questions (1,2 and 3) above. Thanks in advance for any hints.

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1. This is a major complaint for me, as well. As mentioned previously, if you press the center of the d-pad when on a text field, you'll pull up the touch-friendly keyboard. you can also work on giving the screen a good thump on the text field, but it has to be pretty hard, and it's still not accurate. Hopefully they'll address this in the future.

2. Not that I know of.

3. I agree, but I think the overall move was away from the stylus-input and more towards an entirely finger-friendly experience (save for the keyboard, of course).

4. This is funny, because I know before OS2008, alot of us (myself included) complained about the 'applet mode', as it was annoying to have to activate just to move things around. Now, it seems alot of users are frustrated that they don't stay put. This is likely something that will evolve over the next few updates. I think alot of it is personal preference.

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I share the frustration with Zeusenergy and other users with the Nokia Internet tablets.

I make a living owning a computer business so I'm not a newbie. I do admit that I am not familiar with Linux at all. I know nothing about Linux. But, I thought the Internet Tablet would be better than it is. I have quite a few pcs (desktops and laptops) as well as a couple of Palm devices and an older Windows Mobile device. The useability of those devices as well as the extensive quality software and selection of different apps and games far out weigh the Nokia.

My experience with the Nokia Internet tablets is as follows:

I first became aware of the Internet Tablet by browsing around the internet and just happened to stumble across it. So, as usual, I did my extensive research before I bought it (which is what I do with every piece of electronic equipment I am looking to buy) and it looked pretty good technically as well as seemingly good reviews from the users. I thought it would be a pretty good replacement for a laptop as far as a quick easy way to browse the internet without having to bring out my laptop as well as take over a few other daily tasks that I use my laptop and Palm for so I bought it.

I still have to carry my laptop and Palm around to do other work. But if I need to check something quickly, the Nokia is far easier and lighter to just "whip out" and check what I need to check.

My main complaints about the 770 were:

1. It was a little slow booting
2. The browser kept crashing/locking up
3. The lack of software available for it.

When the 800 came out, I sold my 770 and got an 800. I noticed the folliowing:

Pros:
1. The device booted a little faster
2. The browser crashed a little less
3. Skype!

Cons:
1. No Bluetooth headset support for Skype
2. When running Skype, you couldn't browse at the same time because the call would disconnect and the also the browser would lock up
2. Still the lack of software!

I recently upgraded to OS2008 when it came out.

Pros:
1. Seemingly better browsing (less crashes)
2. Bluetooth headset support for Skype

Cons:
1. Skype still disconnects calls (a little less however) when browsing at the same time
2. Still a lack of software.

On the plus side, I learned how to install apps on the thing now and I am able to help my friend with his Nokia. He uses his Nokia for Skype primarily and seems to love it except for the same shortcomings that I found.

I don't have a comment as to the GPS software as I have a Magellan GPS which I use so I have no need for the GPS app on the 800.

I guess I'm stupid for not doing quite enough research.

Unless more quality software is developed for the Nokia Internet Tablets as well as improving the overall end-user experience, the Internet Tablet will fail.

The Nokia is definately not consumer friendly. A non-technical person would get pissed off and return the thing to the store for a full refund. I probably should have done the same.

Maybe I'm just getting bored with it because there isn't much to do on it EXCEPT browse the internet and talk on Skype and IM. It definately does not replace my pc or Palm. I was hoping that it would replace some of my pc/Palm functions so I don't have to carry around so many devices but as of yet, it does not.

Overally, i'm not impressed and feel that I wasted money.

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I've come from a WM backfround as well (As well as Palm and Psion and Symbian). But I am in IT and so a geek I guess...

I find the device to be very easy to use and love the interface. For all the bits that work as they should, it leaves WM dead in the water IMHO. It's only when things don't go to plan that it is not "consumer friendly". This is a little more often than it should be.

I'm guessing that I just happen to be not using a couple of the buggier bits and so my experiance is smoother than some.

But then, isn't the difference that on other devices, you just have to live with it and report it rather than be allowed to try and fix and play? Perhaps that increases the frustration when it doesn't work after the extra effort.

To me, it is much nicer than Windows Mobile. And to be honest, my particular device HTC Universal, was also buggy as hell.

Would not actually wake up and ring until the guy on the other side had already been ringing for about 8 seconds.

By the time you got to the phone to answered, they had hung up.

There were fixes and work arounds etc. But is that not the complaint on the N810...

Also, I actually like the "standard" app install. It's very easy (when the repositries are not playing up).

No copying files across., running setup on another PC, finding the website to download from etc.

Just go to App Manager, select the app and install. What more do you want ?
Actually, better app discriptions and more apps would be nice. But I'm hopeing this will improve (at least the more apps bit) now that most of the top 500 contributors are getting the discount codes.

I do agree though, there is room for improvement.

Portrait support - Yes please.

A full PIM with Outlook sync. including category sync. And tight integration with the mobile, so I don't even have to touch the handset.
Particularly with the Nokia handsets. How about a virtual screen of the S60 interface ?
Actually, that would fix the Outlook and PIM issues :)
Anyone tried to VNC with an S60 phone over bluetooth ?

How about more controll over when the WiFi will come on (e.g. no auto on between 11pm and 6am) to save battery life.

Perhaps the apps could sync. when they do updates somehow, so they don't keep powering up the WiFi at different times ? e.g. The Weather widget and the RSS Reader ?
I',m wondering if the WiFi spends much time off, if the 2 are significantly out of sync. anyone know how this is handled ?

Use some kind og A-GPS to improve signal lock times (N810).

Proper Java - just tried web based vnc yesterday and no go. I assume it's a java thing. Everything else in the web browser works just great (sometimes slow for really big stuff, but still work).

Finally (not really, but will do for now), I got a cool bluetooth headset that lets me switch between devices just by clicking a couple of buttons. But the N810 (the master device) won't let go when it's supposed to...

I'm still not sure what the correct place(s) are to complain/report about these different issues...

By the way, I really love thiis device :)

Zuber

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I currently am looking at a (bigger and more expensive) HTC Shift to replace the IT debacle. I've used the IT (N800) for a year now and am as much dissatisfied with it as I was a year ago.

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I'm guessing this is a hardware fault -- never seen this myself (on 770 or n800), and this is the first time I hear about something like it.

I suggest you send your device for repairs. At least around here (Finland) the service actually works now, as opposed to the 770 era.

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HMMM..
I GOT MY N800 because it said on THE BOX "INTERNET TABLET" and it was $229 instead of 400 and up for a laptop or UMPC for a grand .

I assumed that the price reflected screen size, some apps, and better GUI than'windows anything'

I was wrong. period. and any of you 'senior members'
that wish to keep taking digs at newbies should stop to realize we are frustrated, need help and some babysitting yes, but above all, some hope to make the dam things useable.
I have had more crashing, reflashing, nonworking apps, frustration and more than ANY device i ever owned,
I 'm 55 and consider myself an early adopter. I always had to have the new stuff first but....i'll continue to lurk about on here.. keeping up with the love/hate affair with this IT until i either get it right or throw it in the junk drawer with my other stuff. probably the latter.

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What exactly were you expecting from an 'Internet Tablet'? I.e. what does it not do that you expected it to?

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Go to http://slashdot.org/
Note how the screen is divided into several vertical columns, and that the articles are in a narrow central column. This site is almost unreadable in landscape mode, while it would be perfect for portrait mode. These kinds of sites are unusable in 'optimized view' mode too. Only portrait will do..

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I have to admit, the n800 is the worst cellphone I ever bought to use as a PDA.

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Hahahaha... quote of the day.

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Well, to all concerned, looks like WOM World picked up on this thread and posted about it, which is a good thing.

WOM World is Nokia's PR Firm for the Nseries, which means Nokia reads everything they write. Which means you have successfully gotten Nokia's attention.

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If we really have their attention..:

Nokia: The by far most common single issue that comes up again and again and again ad infinitum when I read postings on any media everywhere is this: "if the Nokia tablets only had proper integrated PIM applications I would have bought one in an instant". I see this every day. If necessary I can easily provide links to a couple I read just an hour ago.

Re: Big-time Rant of the N800
 

I don't think that'll happen. The Tablet series are not designed to be PDAs with PIM applications. They're Internet Tablets (hence the name). They're not PDAs, nor are they 'phone companions'.

I'm not saying whether that marketing standpoint is right or wrong, I'm just telling you why there isn't a built-in PIM function. It's not designed for that.