Nokia discontinuing N800?
 

I just read on a mailing list that Nokia drones at CES spilled the beans that Nokia intends to drop the N800 in favour of the N810 really soon now.

If true, that would be the second time Nokia f*cks with the community in a really lousy way. Can anyone confirm or -- preferrably -- deny this rumour? I mean, we cut them some slack after the 770/N800 fiasco, but if they're going to play the same card again, I for one am outta here...

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I wouldn' be surprised if they stop manufacturing it, but they do not stop supporting it. Diablo is still coming for N800.

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Who cares? I don't. I have my n800 and so should everyone who wants one....for probably a really good deal. As long as the firmware is compatible with the n800 I could care less.....They have already committed to supporting the N800 through Diablo.

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Nokia management needs to read the cluetrain manifesto:

http://www.cluetrain.com/

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We've already been promised support through Diablo*, so there's no way this is anything more than discontinuing of manufacture (this seems unlikely, too, though).

Really, there's no reason they would drop support for the N800 (and no real way, either), as the N810 and N800 are virtually identical.

*This might have some interesting consequences for N810 owners, will they only be getting support through Diablo too, or will Nokia extend support longer? Since you can't support one without supporting the other (basically), does this also mean more support for N800 users?

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What is Diablo? The next OS version I assume?

EDIT: Never mind. Yes, I know General. I should have searched first. :cool:

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I knew this would happen. Wonder how long it takes Nokia to dump the 810 once the a new version hits stores.

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Knew what would happen, that all devices eventually reach EoL?

This is just a rumor, people. Just like the last one in December. Wait until you actually hear something concrete. ;)

Again, we've been guaranteed one more major OS revision (Diablo/OS2009), so everybody keep your panties on.

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Lol.. General, thanks for a voice of reason!

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eol for n800 would be dumb decision, unless they are loosing money at this pricepoint, that is just fantastic for me as a customer.

there are many MIDs comming, so if nokia wants to be succesfull, having 2 form factors really helps.

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Waah!!! My $400 Canon digital camera I bought last year was EOL'd. My friend's $500 G7 lasted about 6 months on the market.

Know what? BFD! They still work for there intended purpose and so will my N800. EOL or not.

Babies, time to clue into how market cycles work.

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The 810 didnt have enough to warrant getting rid of my N800, and one has to figure that the 810 replacement is far back enough that by the time it comes out, it may be a valuable upgrade. It will probably just take a while is all.

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- at the current pricepoint the n800 is a disposable item...

- but my biggest worry would be discontinuance of the BP-5L (and apparently, it's such a common form factor there will be many in the pipeline for years to come; btw, i can still buy new batteries for my IBM Z50 MIPS notebook [running NetBSD] more than eight years after IBM discontinued the product! )

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does this means, if something goes horribly wrong my n800 and send it to nokia, i'll be getting and n810 back in the mail?

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There is one thing - the hardware on the N800/N810 is quite a bit more similar than the N800 compared to the 770. So much so that people got the N810 OS2008 to run on the N800 quite easily...

So if we don't see OS2009 for the N800, OS2009 hacker edition shouldn't be as hard, as far as I understand...

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Huge understatement there, the N810 is really just a N800 with GPS and a keyboard. ;)

There's no way in hell we're not getting a straight edition of OS2009. They couldn't pull off dropping support for the N810 with only one OS edition under its belt.

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- unless you're a former Sharp SL-5500 owner - we got one rev of Lineo's Embedix, but several FOSS projects picked up where Sharp left off... unfortunately i was relieved of my SL-5500 by thieving Florida Van Lines movers during a transfer three years ago (along with a cherished CF WiFi card)

- if one judges Nokia's Linux intent by the recent server debacle, this line of tablets could be dropped by corporate without warning or any consideration to the consumer - it has happened time and again with nearly every Linux-based consumer product in the past 10 years from a variety of companies... (ThinkNIC, Linksys EtherFast Instant GigaDrive, Sharp Zaurus [USA], Agenda PDA, Corel Netwinder, etc.)

- but the good news is that Linux will continue to be offered on increasingly smaller yet more powerful handhelds - and that's a win!

:-)

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Calm Down Paris.... Most of us don't have money to waste and Junk to pile up just because some company demands we do it. There is no wah. I do understand EOL and product cycles. I also understand that I don't like having a product constantly abandoned just because. Maybe for you throwing away 400US is not a problem. But take that x20 and you get the # my company was considering buying for internal use. Take that x1000's and you get all of the corporate sales that won't happen due to overly short product cycles.

Now since you are talking EOL and market cycles lets look at a business depreciation cycle. Normally that is a 3 year cycle from purchase to EOL minimal. (6 years is the high side of that) Having Nokia abandon a product like this every 10-12 months won't work in that environment at all, as you don't get full tax write off in that short a time. On the other hand this may be a big opportunity for Asus.

Think about this one. The basic blackberry. How long has that square little unit been on the market? Yes there are some new versions but the product (original) is still supported.

Unless of course you believe that the n series is a toy. Then I guess 10 months is ok...

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Just to clarify, this:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/list...velopers/32858

is where I heard the "rumour". And FWIW, the reasoning of the OP against this [hypothetical?] move by Nokia seems perfectly sound to me.

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Bingo.

A few of you would do well to disabuse yourselves of hyperbole. "Abandon"? Please. Even the 770 wasn't completely abandoned.

And where does the 3 year number come from, linuxrebel? That doesn't match current cycles in communications devices, which in some cases nowadays have 6 month lifecycles based on impatient consumer demand.

Relax folks. The N800 will continue to be viable for some time. Bury it when you can confirm it's really dead, not before.

/me awaits Nokia shill remarks :p

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Wah I hope I will still get a n800.
I orderd it from amazon.de. There it's sold out. I hope they get new n800s

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I'm still sitting on the 770. Remember that huge upheaval when the N800 came out and we were stuck witting on our barely-a-year-old $400 770s? You caved, I didn't. :P

Seeing how the N810 swept in and isn't a marked improvement over the N800, I for one am waiting until step 5. They can polish their product line on someone else's dime.

The 770 will be left by the wayside soon, and with that, so will I. Hope I've still got a few months left here, I happen to like you guys. :)

(If it truly is being left behind, OPEN IT. (Why do you think I'm considering an EEE PC?)

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If the CES coverage is anything to go by, there are a few Linux based MIDs coming onto the market. Nokia might discontinue the N800, but that would mean that they had only one product at one price point. This way they can have a foot in the entry level and the medium cost markets, assuming they are not selling at a loss to create the market.

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I'm in the same boat. Also I find a lot of the comments here to be rather funny. A year ago you could have replaced the 770 and 800 with much of the same arguments that many seem to be using now with the 800 and 810.

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Remember that N800 with WiMAX that was announced some time ago. I bet that Nokia isn't building any more N800s because they're upgrading their N800 manufacturing lines to make WiMAX models. It goes like this:
-sell the stock of N800 dirt cheap
-> get more sales for N810
-> bring N801 with WiMAX, maybe a new screen priced similarily to N810
-> profit :)

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Seeing that I do enjoy my N800, I will probably wait for a fire sale and get a spare unit, just like I did when Apple discontinued the MP2100 :D

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Wah. Got today mail from amazon that they don't sell it anymore and that they canceled my order :mad:

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Just for the record: I would like to hit the 'Thanks' button for linuxrebel's #18 posting above - however there's no 'Thanks' button on that particular posting, for some reason. Well said, anyway.

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well, n800 is available from amazon.com at this moment and it's #1 of "Bestsellers in Computers & PC Hardware".
the problem with availability is probably that it is too succesfull :-)

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What I see is the big problem for the N800 and me is it's popularity.

I almost bought two for the family for Christmas when they dropped to about $180@. I've been kicking myself mentally since, because now they are about $230@. This was NOT supposed to happen and I've got birthdays coming up that need gifts. :(

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Well, I'd agree that they can polish their product line on someone else's dime. That's why I bought the N800, when the N810 was unveiled and the price had dropped to about $210 for the N800. (I could have been happy waiting a couple months, but wasn't interested in paying that premium for the slight enhancements.) They're not making an awful lot of profit off of that, but it gives me a decent tablet. Maybe, at some point, I'll buy an N810. Perhaps as a backup Diablo machine, while I'm not buying their brand-spanking-new next thing.

Unless you're real tight on cash, I don't see the rationality of refusing to buy the N800 at all. Just figure it will be ditched, and buy it only at the low price that a ditched tablet is worth.

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Wah, are you a Singaporean?