[KDE] KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

These updates are posted at http://www.tablethacker.com/kde.html


I know I said there would only be a small update and you would not have to update the KDE358.tar.bz2

Well, I was wrong, SORRY

I made updates that effect both files, total increase of about 15MB

These updates are for both N800 and N810

What is updated
both KDE tarball and the SUP tarball have changed
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Right Click On/Off (F5) (This works on N800)
Tab (Fn)(>)
Pipe Symbol (Fn)(<)
Next Desktop (Shift)(F5)

Move Window (CTRL)(F5)
Maximize/Un-Maximize (CTRL) (F7)
Minimize Window (CTRL) (F8)
Close Window (CTRL) (F6)
KDE MENU (CTRL) (ENTER)

Cut (CTRL) (X)
Copy (CTRL) (C)
Paste (CTRL) (V)

Konsole Shortcuts
Copy (CTRL) (MENU KEY)
Paste (SHIFT) (MENU KEY)
Font Enlarge (zoom + key) (This works on N800)
Font Shrink (zoom - key) (This works on N800)

Konqueror Shortcuts
Hide Menubar (CTRL) (M)
Font Enlarge (zoom + key) (This works on N800)
Font Shrink (zoom - key) (This works on N800)

Joystick Kernel Module
qjoypad
Joy-On shortcut
Joy-Off shortcut

Sticky Keys ON

FIX for microb fonts

Fix Trash Icon, permissions in DEB

Added KDE Accessibility package, includes text to speech and magnifier, has ability to read webpages and kopete messages, via flite, you must also install flite :)

ADDED
Note the batterystatus icon depends on python, which I could only get by installing canola, dont know what the heck that is all about?

So if you want battery status install python, install the battery-status command line tool. Then just use the shortcut in KDE to see the battery %

Also a battery notification will happen every 10minutes, once the battery reaches 20% or lower via script that checks it every 10 minutes provided battery-status is installed



Added shortcut/script to toggle USB mode from OTG to Host..

Added several cursors, to choose from

Added some more Fonts

Menus work to add or remove, I am not sure this was ever broken?


I am looking for some boot from SD people who are interested in testing the new version. Please PM me your request, I am only looking for a few people, first come first serve.

Once boot from SD is confirmed to be working well, new KDE debs will be following, maybe in about a week. (NOTE maybe longer, I am getting all four of my wisdom teeth pulled Friday morning) My guess is I will be sitting at home playing with my IT, but perhaps I will be in too much pain to get them out this weekend, but we'll see.

Happy Thoughts :rolleyes:

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Will this include bluetooth mouse support?

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

No that is done through an application called mouse_poll

If that becomes a little more mature, I will include the support, if it does not make it into a package.

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Wow! Me Too! I just got four of my wisdom teeth pulled out last Friday at 4:00 pm. We must think alike. :P I have a lot of projects to complete my senior year. I needed to do it. I was playing around with my IT the following day. Pain is not a factor if you are taking Advil at least. I took 3, but my Dentist told me it will be ok to take 4. Also, Green tea bags help with the healing. If you need pointers penguinbait, let me know. Take your time healing.

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Happy thoughts indeed! I've had a couple of teeth pulled in my day and can tell you it's not so much painful as annoying if you take your meds. :D

Skibur's advice is good: take time to heal...be good to yourself! KDE will wait ;)

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heh, well I wish I'd had them removed long ago. I am 35, so they have grown in a bit.

Advil? Someone better give me some real drugs :)

I am not looking forward to it......

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for those that installed, or are awaiting links, give me a minute, I am updating SUP again,

Changes will be
Not starting VNC server on bootup

stortcuts to start and stop vnc server

Ability to lock the screen, (sorry n800 users have no way to unlock) So do not lock it.

QUESTION
Should I make the lock run as root, and provide roots password?

Or make you set a user passwd ?

ThoughtS?

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Nobody responded I chose user. The lock button will lock the screen, not many screensavers, but they can be chosen in Control Center..



YOU HAVE TO SET A USER PASSWORD IF YOU WANT TO UNLOCK YOUR DEVICE VIA KDE

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Having your default theme in there is a real saver.
I can mess it up and then put it back.

Where's the soft keyboard icon?

The fullscreen button is really helpful, works in many apps.
I hadn't spotted it before.

I think there are mutiple issues with the right click implementation.
Sometimes it doesn't seem to do anything.
Sometimes it turns into every other click is a right click.
Sometimes it gets stuck on right click, and all I can do is power down.
Once I logged out after using right clicks,
and the sound and wifi tray widgets in Maemo didn't work.
Brightness still did.

Menus work much better, they're persistent and not so twitchy.

Is there a chart of which buttons are which F keys?

This release is a huge improvement.
Thank you immensely.

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For the n810

keyboard-hildon-menu-key F4
"back key" ESC
Swap Key F5
D-Pad Center Return
Full Screen F6
Zoom Out F8
Zoom In F7

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Well the right click is what it is, please use it carefully :)

The problem with the right click is it has to run a script to change to right click. So if you have the CPU 100%, it takes it a minute to register your switch.

It works good with on desktop in filemanager and websites, but Kbounce is a no go because it uses too much CPU.

The keyboard is kvkbd, under the utilities menu
Note every time you press the right click to change, wait until it changes before pressing it again, dont just keep hitting the F5 key, it will hose you...

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I think you want the link on the desktop like you had before.
Lot of N800 users out there.

Yeah, I've noticed that. The entire keyboard mapping thing is a little shakey.
Seems like there's some part of it that's fragile, and once it's gone, it stays gone.
Right now, for instance, F5 snaps the cursor to the center of the screen,
and my hardware keyboard doesn't do anything.
Log out of KDE and it's dead in maemo, too.
Something fairly low level is going down.
Reboot and it's fine again.

Is there a way to find out what keys are mapped to what,
without scrolling through the menus items one at a time?

Battery status pops up a window that says
Battery Status =
but no numbers.

KOrganizer pops up alerts correctly, thanks.
Lot to learn in that program.
My Palm data came right in, via Apple ical.
I couldn't get it into anything in maemo, period.
That's actually all I'm after in KDE, is a working PIM.
Having a lot of fun, though.
Always wanted an excuse to learn me some Linux.

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I will have an update coming shortly, fixing xmodmap so the 810 can (pipe) and (Tab)

for now run
/usr/local/bin/xmodmap /home/user/.xmap

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I don't mean it centers the cursor all the time.
That was just a typical result of it flaking out.
Same with the dead hardware keyboard. No big deal.
There's just some fragile components in this software,
and we're asking it to run in an awfully confined space.

Second SUPv2 went quietly.

My bad on battery-status, had it installed in an earlier cloning.
Works fine. Everything is pretty much working here.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I have one last update and its complete, to fix xmodmap, which will not effect n800 users, and an fix for the audio being turned all the way down on on startup, seems like this only effected 810's???

These are now available using the same download again.

Sorry for the inconvenience!!

tablethacker.com is now updated with latest versions.






I still need some more BETA testers (BOOT FROM SD - FRESH INSTALLS ONLY PLEASE)


Also on a side note, I installed KDE via USB cable on n810, and it loaded in 6.5minutes. Thats way faster than any other way I have seen.


I do not anticipate any more changes to this, I beleive it to be complete.

I need some feedback as to whether or not anyone has any issues??

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I just went back to my flash boot,
and there in Extras I see KDE and Qjoypad.
Clicking on KDE there gets me a WSOD.
Any idea how they could have got to the wrong partition?
Shouldn't be any crosstalk between the two installs, should there?

-- Edit, bet I untarred from the wrong one, didn't I? --

Also, turning on virtual memory in one turns it on in both,
but I expect maemo just looks for the swap file.

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So far the issues that I've found:

Konquerer browser: going to http://www.internettablettalk.com freezes the n800. Pretty consistently, too. First time I've ever had to take the battery out, since nothing else worked.

"Right click" on the n800 is the little Home button. Sweet!

Microb got the updating screen and a blank screen, but didn't seem to come up.

That's about all I've had time to try, so far. Sorry for being so slow to test, but this troublesome activity gets in my way of life: work!

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Do you have swap enabled? ITT will kill Konqueror without swap enabled.

ITT the tablet killer !! Who'da thunk it?

Microb does not run under KDE, the fonts in microb were having issues if KDE was installed, this is what was fixed..

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Nope. I didn't have swap enabled. I missed the recommendation to do that (guess I should have searched... where are the Forum Police?!). I'll search before I dare ask how much swap would be recommended... and if it is recommended on mmc1 or mmc2.

On a separate issue: I didn't see the usb host mode button actually toggle the mode. It seemed to enable it, but clicking on it a second time didn't appear to disable it.

I've posted such a script here (http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...&postcount=303) that does this.

Last suggestion on this post: Maybe a text file on the desktop with the mappings of buttons and their functionality would be nice. Including some change log or something would be handy, too. I ask this because I feel an obligation as a "beta tester" to focus on the things you've changed... though I'm not really sure what specifically I should be providing feedback upon.

Bottom line: I'm really enjoying this KDE v2! I rely heavily on vnc and X forwarding. Krdp is nice (although I haven't used it in the last two days much), but the X forwarding works beautifully... I really love having full Firefox running on my N800!

(Before anyone who didn't understand what I meant by that gets all orgasmic... that's ssh -X into a Linux computer and starting up Firefox. Technically, the Firefox (or any other application) is running on the Linux computer, while the GUI X client portion only is running on your N800. You can do this under the Hildon interface, but the lack of (different implementation of?) windows decorations makes, eh... not so pretty.)

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Is it possible to run granparadiso under KDE?

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Took forever to load (could be because of my lack of swap)... enough time to have written here that it doesn't work! But, while I was typing the section below, it started! Icons are missing and, with an external keyboard, still needs to click on the green arrow to enter the address. Woo hoo! Flash in KDE! Youtube works well! Cool!

While we're talking about menus, the menus only work somewhat better, but a majority of the time I can click on the K and get the menu, but if I click on the submenu it disappears. I believe this starts happening if I try something from the Hildon menu, but I could be wrong.

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just installed kdev2 on a dual boot (booting from external
card on n810).

No sound in KDE - get an sound can't initialize error or
sometimes Knotify crashes (taking kde with it)

no quicklaunch panel appliet

no panel hide buttons (looks like panel or kicker never
finishes)

no right click, move etc buttons working

opening panel configure menu crashed KDE

must be a corrupt install - what's the best / fastest
way to reinstall?

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I'm running 128 here. Maemo doesn't give you a choice as to where the swap goes.
I wonder what it does if mmc2 is full?

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Yes K menu is a tricky pain, but it works best with DPAD. On v2 you can (Ctrl) (enter) and bring up the menu then manuver it with dpad. It does work with the stylus but not very well...


I can report skype is working under KDE

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It seems I discovered a BIG problem with the NEW KDE version.

The libcrypt in /usr/lib is being used and Kmail will not send email.

I may need to put back the /et/profile which will break microb fonts again.

I assume nobody can send mail?

I put a hold on the files, sorry for the inconvenience

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

FWIW, I haven't had a chance to upgrade to KDEv2 yet - I was actually coming here to apologize for the lack of response on my part. :o Anyways, I can't send mail using KMail in the original version either so I don't think you broke it removing the etc/profile - it was already broken.

I'll have more time to upgrade this weekend - should I go ahead with the latest tarballs? Or do you think you'll be trying any more changes? :)

Thanks

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I reloaded both old and new last night, and I also can confirm, I can not send email in either version, but I swear it used to work.

I think the tarballs are good (they are available again), I thought I had broken something that apparently never worked, you think with 100's of downloads someone would have mentioned they could not send email. I guess KDE is just so big its hard to test everything.

I will probably try to fix the mail issue, but it wont be for a while. I spent a few hours last night, but I have no clear direction as to the problem


PCQ, how much free space do you have? Are you installed in internal memory or sd card?


If you have enough space, then
I boot to flash, mount my ext2 partition on SD card. cd mount point, mkdir HOLD, mv * HOLD

Now you can untar everything again and test it, if you have any issues, you can just boot to flash and, cd mount point, mkdir TEST, mv * TEST, mv TEST/HOLD/* .

Then you can boot right back where you started from. This also allows you to recover any files you might have forgotton about. Also I make tarballs of flash when I do it the first time, to make it easier in the future.


Well I got to get going, and I may not be out here for a few days, so if I don't respond its not personal. I have about 30 minutes before I start taking the pills and head out to get all four wisdom teeth pulled, something I am truly not looking forward to. Hopefully I wont come back any dumber :)

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Good luck with the teeth, my friend. Enjoy the drugs.

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me thinks me needs to double my script.:confused:..wasn't too bad though, its mostly my jaw hurting from them stretching it open.

Thank god I was asleep for that :D I imagined waking up with with a Nike print on my head from the pulling :)

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I need to get all 4 of mine removed in the summer. Not looking forward to it.

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I dreaded it much worse than it was, although I am on 1000mg vik and 800mg motrin every 4 hours. Ate a big steak last night with bakeds potato and asparagus. Man I am freaking hungry,, drinking freaking chicken soup sucks! I want some food!!

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I didn't have them put me out when they did mine.
Just local. Less messing around afterward, and it goes much faster.
Lots of ibuprophen before keeps the swelling down.
I think I have a high pain threshold, though.
I haven't used Novacaine for cavities in thirty years.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Hey Penguinbait, judging by you eating solid food, you are doing A...O...K. :) It has been a week and one day since my four wisdom teeth were extracted. I just bought a syringe at Wal-Mart called, "Oral Syringe by EZY DOSE", and it works great to flush out food that is buried in the hole where the wisdom teeth were. Remember, if you didn't get stitches, you may need this, but make sure you had time healing before using it. Otherwise, you might flush your blood clog, hence Dry Sock and thats a pain. So I've heard. Use warm water mixed with salt and rinse after eating to kill bacteria. We don't want the Dentist to "Code" you another check up. :P Anyways, if you need pointers, let me know. Happy Healing. :D

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Hello! I just tried out your KDE for Maemo for the first time (I've been meaning to for a long while) and tried out the latest and greatest. It's amazing to have KDE on my tablet... it's like a tiny laptop, capable of anything. (Or that's what it feels like.)

Right now, I'm playing around still. The mouse glitched on me and wouldn't come back once, but it's really useful when it works. I of course customized the heck out of it as soon as I clicked "KDE"... and all the usual KDE options worked great.

Konqueror with just one bar and no menu bar or status bar has so much screen real estate, it's amazing. It even has tabs, way better than the built in browser... although no flash, and some pages won't load. (Come to think of it, I'm really spoiled.)

I tried Synergy, and it let me use my desktop's mouse and keyboard perfectly. Normal, hildon-maemo-whatever DE has problems clicking on certain fields or with bringing up the full-screen keyboard when you press enter, but KDE worked perfectly and as expected.

Not important but I figured since you were asking for testing, not playing... kcontrol won't do anything or launch if I run it from the menu, but it works fine running from the desktop, quick launch, or "run". Anyway, I'm just completely amazed at this.

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I just locked the screen, don't even know how.
The password that OpenSSH had me create way back when didn't work.
This seems like a risky thing to have as a default,
especially when the N800s have no way to unlock.

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I found another problem, this time with joystick support, my scripts are lacking a sudo.

NOKIA:/usr/local/bin ROOT#cat joyon.sh
sudo insmod /usr/local/lib/joydev.ko
/usr/bin/qjoypad &

NOKIA:/usr/local/bin ROOT#cat joyoff.sh
ps | grep qjoypad | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill
ps | grep qjoypad | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill -9
sudo rmmod joydev
sudo rmmod joydev


So you can add the sudo, or update with the SUPv2 again, I just updated it again, sorry :)

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Ok, so I've finally updated my KDE and had some time to play with things - sorry for the delay. The upgrade went of smoothly and painlessly - I just renamed my .kde directory and then untarred on top of my existing install. Merged my .kde-PCQ with the new .kde and off I went.

Anyways, I'm really glad that I upgraded! You've added some really nice features and fixed quite a few bugs :D Thanks a bunch!

1. (+) Menu Editor is now fixed Yay!! I know you weren't sure it was borken before, but all I can say is now it actually works where before it wouldn't save any changes I had made.

2. (-) KGhostView crashes very badly (ie: screen dithers to black and then whole unit spontaneously resets) when trying to open a moderately large pdf file (~5 MB). It will open smaller pdf files well though. Just curious, why add Ghostview when both KPDF and the Osso pdf-viewer both already work really well?

3. (+) I was able to restore the bulk of my settings by copying over my original .kde files. That made things go much easier and quicker.

4. (+) I like how you added the Hildon list to the menu. Also, thanks for setting up Maemo Mapper and switchonBT. I had tried to get those to run in KDE before but couldn't. Wonder what I was doing wrong?

5. (+) Still waiting for my battery to drop low enough to test out your pb-batt but so far it works well. I do like it in the upper corner.

6. (+) Is it just my imagination or reduce initial memory usage? I seem to have more memory available after I first start up KDE and don't go into swap as quickly as before.

7. There's still some stuff I haven't tried yet. I probably won't try the joystick because well, I don't have one. I'll try out KMail later and see if I can send.

Is there anything in particular you'd like me to test before you release this into the wild?

Thanks again PB!! :D

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

kde is even better than before but for me the menu editing
still does not work. I can edit but changes are not saved. No
idea what it could be.

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No, I am just looking for problems, so if you run into any let me know I would like to hammer them all out before creating another deb install...

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Report #2 ;)

Finally got my battery low enough to trigger the "Low Battery" window message. I got the message @18%. Excellent! Now I don't have to obsessively check my battery status near the end of a long day :D This is a very welcome feature.

As for why adding Maemo Mapper and switchonBT to the menu now works to launch them in KDE when previously when I was trying to make a desktop shortcut (Menu Editor wasn't working for me) - I constantly got permissions errors that I figure out how to fix. Did you change default permissions anywhere? Regardless, I'm just pleased that they now work :)

I haven't really come across any additional problems so far - I'll be sure to let you know if I do.