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Thanks for linking me. Community: What questions would you have asked?

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I would have asked: "what are your secret plans to beat Apple".

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Yeah, but I don't think they are really "competing" with Apple, at least not directly.

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They're adamant that these are not PDAs.
I would have asked him why.

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dubwise: Haven't we covered that several times already? ;)

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Having offline access to your contact info is kinda basic :) They need to spend some time with that.

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"What's next WiMax?" :)

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Since reading ThoughtFix's post earlier in the week I've been mulling on what the alpha geeks are doing right now. To me an alpha geek is someone who takes the lastest stuff and does something new with it - because they can!

Now I don't plan to throw my new N810 into space anytime soon, but I suppose it might be interesting to establish some Internet Tablet record breakers for altitude, depth, (what else?). This is where I got that idea from -

http://www.natrium42.com/halo/flight2/

Which has me thinking about what I'd need to add to my old N800 to make it autonomous, or even just able to rotate it's own camera. Um.....

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"Will it blend?" =)

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Victor mentions PIM in Thoughtfixes interview:

From Victor:
"People are asking for PIM synchronization but if we release that now and the next OS breaks that, users are out of luck. We have to think about how this will work on existing tablets and in the long term. The Video Converter got some bad feedback for being Windows only. We had to match the software to the needs of the market. For PIM/PDA synchronization, we need to spend time organizing the best, longest lasting, and most flexible way to release it and then maintain it as the product moves forward."

I think this shows that Nokia is mindfull of PIM, but trying to be careful about how it is implemented.

Neil

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... or they're blowing pretty coloured smoke. I mean, if had no intention of ever releasing a PIM but didn't want the user base to know, that's exactly what I would say: "We're going slowly to make sure we're doing it right. Just be patient, it'll come".

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Karel, man, the cynicism these days is incredible. Maybe it's time to go talk a walk and breath the fresh-air for a little while. :p

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I've got one.

Despite doing a good job convincing the consumer base that end-of-life is acceptable on a $400+ dollar gadget after merely 12 months, what are your concrete plans for Stage 5 and why should I keep buying tablets once a year if we're not there yet?

To those of you with a 770, N800, and N810 sitting in front of you right now, be honest. Don'tcha feel a *little* suckered?

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I see your point. Well said. It does seem like a well functioning PIM on the Nokia would be well worth it to Nokia. I don't get it either.
On the other hand, I'm starting to have some pretty good success with the Garnet VM , Palm datebk5, Palm Desktop and syncronizing those. True, that's a bit clunky so far though and the screen size is small on the N800 compared to what it could be.

Neil

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I'd respond, but I really don't know what to. You have nothing to say about my argument, only about me.

And as a general rule I don't dispute people's opinions of me. It's pretty pointless.

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I can honestly say I don't feel at all 'suckered'. To the contrary, I am blown away by all the things I can now do with my n800. But I didn't expect a PIM devise when I purchased last January. I won't bore you with my list of things I like on my Nokia. You know the list. But I don't know how current purchasers of an N800 can feel cheated at the prices they are going for now.

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Well, I can't speak to the N810, but as the owner of 2 perfectly awesome 770s and an n800, I can honestly say no. ;)

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Eh, there wasn't much of an argument in your post to respond to. ;)

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Well as I'm sat here with one of each in front of me I actually feel quite privileged; but who wouldn't :-)

Now I think I'll sit and watch TV and drink a beer, oh and I'll take the N800 with me and see if I can get TrueCrypt running during he ads - now I've reflashed the kernel.

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Really? I thought there was.

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As the alleged blower of said smoke, I don't even know how to respond to that comment to be honest. The implication that I am a PR mouthpiece or a marketing droid is a little...um....unpleasant to me. But that's ok, I am a big boy and I'll live with hurt feelings :)

But here's the thing I don't understand -- if I had answered that question with a simple "No comment on future plans" (as is the traditional answer)t then I (and my employer) get flamed for not being open enough or communicative enough about our products.

I gave the most honest answer I knew to give, but if you want to apply your filter of cynicism to it, fair enough, you're more than welcome to. I just want to make clear that it really was an honest answer and not meant to mislead or be deceptive in any way.

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Good for you. Please note that I actually didn't accuse you of all the things you mention, just that I offered a "slightly" different scenario as background of your words.

Also, your reply wasn't that much different from "No comment", since it all sounded waayyy to marketing-speaky to the cynical ear.

So I guess we'll see it when we'll see it. Not that your answer included even the slightest hint at a time table, or was even vaguely positive, but hey! I'm supposed to not be cynical towards Nokia, so rock on.

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You're welcome to be as cynical as you'd like :) But it'd be nice to differentiate the cynicism directed at PR and marketing things (i.e. things designed to change people's perception of an existing product/market), versus people who actually work on the project and post here in their spare time because they're really enjoy the product they work on (i.e., they actually *want* to interact with the community and be helpful to community members). Or not. The shotgun cynicism approach works fine for some as well.

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I keep hearing that. I don't get it. Logic to me says that is just of semantics they are playing. Really, what the heck is really ALL that different about calling a hand held a pda? (rhetorical remark) ;)

Calendar and basic office functions at this stage of all developments should pretty much be defacto standard. That whole 'this is not a PDA' angle I keep hearing to me seems like a cop out. Hey, we even have KDE running on these units now and OS2008 is really a full featured OS. There are no limitations, only excuses.

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The "assist" function.

Seriously.

That crap's been running on Zaurus organizers since the early nineties. Google "Newton" and "assist" and you'll know what a real PDA is supposed to do.

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Doing PDA functions properly on a general purpose OS, as opposed to a dedicated
singletasking real time OS, is actually quite difficult.
When you switch to the palm datebook, it knows you weren't just looking at it,
and so it brings up today. GPE can't do that. If you're not paying attention,
you'll put your new appointment on the wrong day.

All of the programs are running, there's no load time. Response is instant.
There's no saving of files, because you're working on live data in RAM.

It's an entirely different paradigm.

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Not exactly.

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I think these are some very good points dubwise. I think some of us may find it hard to understand that a large successful company like Nokia can't seem to bring a good PIM system to this product. I would also say that probably some of us also would have very little idea what is involved in implementing such a thing. Palm has been doing it for years yet they still have some glitches. I would imagine a quality PIM that was really worth having could be quite a challenge to put on the Nokia. But I hasten to add that I don't know one way or the other here. At any rate, I take Victor's words about PIM at face value. To me it sounds absolutely like he is speaking the trueth. It sounds to me like Nokia is trying to do the best overall for the N8x0 . Obviously that is in their best interest. I also would think that a quality PIM on this devise would be in Nokia's best interest since it would be such an amazing product at that point.
I'd like to thank Victor for participating in this forum. Kudos to you.

Cheers,
Neil

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Hey this live show is about to take place. Check it out. Neil

Here is a direct link to it : http://ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.37.sw...nVn7F2pLttiKm7

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It's live! Join up.

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Doesn't work for me... may be our VPN firewall though...

EDIT: nope. Logged off VPN and still no go. IE7 says it can't find an embedded flash object...

EDIT 2: nevermind! Firefox works :) chat wouldn't though :(

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Excellent stuff. Big thanks to Quim for taking the time to answer our questions! (What's that about maemo guys never communicating with the community again?)

thoughtfix is evidently going to be chopping it up and posting the video for consumption later, so anybody who missed it will probably be able to download it later.

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I gather from the interview that mr. Gil is responsible for managing the human aspects around the tablet developer community. Not to sound disrespectful but I would have expected a bit more enthousiasm and a better speaker (especially English) for such a position.

Also most questions are answered along the lines of "well, yes we look at that but it's complicated and you know, Nokia is a big corporation". I understand that things can't improve overnight ,and Nokias corporate interests inevitably will not always coincide with those of (free) software makers, but to me this interview strengthens the image of Nokia's half-heartedness with regards to the Tablets.

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Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that. That may be the single most ignorant thing I have read all week.

Please explain to me how speaking English well correlates with knowledge or work ability in this world?

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Because of international aspect of the community. I think if your job is to manage and stimulate that you should be a good communicator.

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Yes, the international aspect—exactly. English isn't the only language on the planet (it's not even the most common one).

Besides, I didn't have any trouble understanding him. Perhaps it's just you?

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Oh I see. So everyone not 100% fluent in English should leave now? Or do you only want native-born English speaker? Please clarify your xenophobia.

BTW, I strongly suspect that Quim (and many other people here) speak many other languages in addition to English. How about you? Ever seen the outside of your own backyard?

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Of course is not about speaking English perfectly. It is just my impression was he did not express his visions and ideas about the project clearly and convincingly. Or maybe he could but he is restricted by the policies within Nokia so he can't be too specific.

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Can you detect the incredible irony in your own post???

Quim is not a native English speaker, but he does better in that language than some native speakers I know! I have no trouble understanding him.

And speaking of international aspects: my team's director is Finnish, as are some members, one is from Asia and 2 from the US (including me). We are about to be joined by new members, possible from India, Africa and/or South America. Doesn't get much more international than that. And while English is the official language of Nokia, and everyone is expected to use it, us native speakers have no problem cutting our "foreign" friends some slack, and making an effort to meet them halfway. It's part of being professional adults. In this case, Quim did his part-- is it so hard for you to do yours?

Welcome to TRUE internationalism. Hint: it's not limited to Americans and Englishmen. :rolleyes: