[Palm OS] What's Garnet up to with the expiration date?
 

Gee, I'm having pretty good success with both address book and Datebk5 syncing. This means I'm starting to be interested in committing the time into both getting used to using it and spending the time inputting the addresses. But our friends at Garnet have already put an expiration date on the product. So, what do you think that means ? Do you think that is just a date they have set to offer new software ? Or maybe pull out? What?

Thanks,
Neil

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anybody just have an opinion on this? I see 110 people have read my question. I guess you aren't responding because you just don't know the answer. My thing is that I just don't want to lose this VM thing now that it works so well for me. I just wonder if it will simply stop working on the expiration date. Hey, it's OK to just comment on this even if you don't know the answer.

Thanks,
Neil

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Might I suggest that once the Palm functions work well enough and the user base on Nokia grows they will start charging. That may be what the expiration date protects.
Possible Bummer

E.

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If I remember correctly calendar year repeats it self every 30 year or so. Would it work that you change the year to 70 - 80 to year were weak days correspond to current year?

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Sorry my friend. I think you misunderstood my question. I'm not talking about date functionality in the software. I'm wondering why Garnet has set an expiration date of May 31 for their current software? Am I going to be able to keep it on my N800 after that? Who knows?
BTW- Why do software companies put products out and then not support them like this? They have something going here that basically works. It just appears to me that they need to help people more with it.

Neil

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Probably to force you to update to the latest version. It's a common support trick common to many companies.

The next update may/will probably be free, but if users are required to update to the latest version on a specific date, they don't have to worry about having to support legacy versions.

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I'll offer the pesimistic view:
1) Palm's new OS will be Linux/GTK
2) They will want to include backwards compatibility
3) They don't have the Linux/GTK Palm OS finished, but they need to beta test their backwards compatibility
4) The Nokia tablets offer a similar software environment, a released product and a group of users willing to beta test things
5) If they improve this and maintain it for Nokia tablets they would compete with their own Linux/GTK Palm OS when/if it arrives
...
Conclusion: I bet they pull it at some point, probably close to when their PalmOS based on Linux/GTK launches. Has anyone seen a statement that they're commited to this product? Has anyone seen it in a long term roadmap? Are there any press releases that even hint at it an ongoing project?

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There's a thought JohnX.
Does any body have a scoop on what is going on with Palm's roadmap? These thing leave traces. Traces like this one:

"THE WORLD'S LEADING mobile phone manufacturer, Nokia has announced its intent to acquire the Norwegian software house Trolltech.

Trolltech is the developer of the Qt language that is the foundation of the Linux K Desktop Environment (KDE). It also develops the small footprint, embeddable Qtopia language for Linux based devices like media players and mobile phones."

How will this effect the tablet? How will it impact OS development?

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Neat theory, with one problem: Access (nee Palm Software) has had a fall-out with the hardware Palm company, and the latter is now developing /their own/ Linux-based OS.

Unless there's been rapprochment behind the scene between the two?

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I find the above encouraging. The fact that Access is an independent actor that apparently has it's own interest in expanding it's user base. I just hope that I will be able to continue to use the GVM on my tablet since it is working so well for me. I fear it will just stop functioning on May 31. Hmm .This doesn't seem like a very good way to encourage users to adopt your product by making us wonder if it will be usable in the very near future. IMO even though this GVM has it's problems, it's ability to sync with Palm Desktop makes it the best PIM on the Tablet. I encourage users to give Garnet feedback via the 'help' link in the software. Hopefully it will continue to be an option.

thanks for your opinions
Neil

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My two cents: I think everybody here is right. First, it's a way to figure out if they've solved the emulation issues. Success. Second, it's a way to find out if anybody is interested in the product. Success there, too, although I don't know how much of one. Third, the date is a way to make people come back and buy something they got for free, and got used to.

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I doubt they will make money of selling the VM.
if they want to go that route. i'll just have to port pose to chinook.
..

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sorry, don't know what pose is?

Neil

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Hi,

I've mentioned on other threads re my inability to see my contacts and schedule info even after a successful sync. I am using Palm desktop Ver. 6. I'd like to try Ver. 5 to see if that works, do you know where I can download it?

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POSE = Palm OS Emulator. It's software which completely emulates a PalmOS environment (you'll need a ROM image though), for PalmOS 4.x and lower (these days PalmOS is at 5.x, but as most applications are still 4.x compatible the emulator works for a lot of stuff).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSE_(Palm_OS_Emulator)

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Have you tried v 4.1.4 ? That works for me. I think it was just palms site I got the free copy from.

ta-t3, thanks for the explanation on pose. I'm not one who would be able to compile that. How feasable do you think it would be? Meanwhile, I'll go read the wiki.

Neil

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ArnimS has a build of POSE on his website:

http://pupnik.de/pose.html

I don't know if it is compatible with the most recent version of the ITOS however...

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I couldn't get pose to work properly on my N800, unfortunately (I used ArnimS' build, I think it was mainly tested on the 770 at the time). I posted a bit about that back in the original pose thread. But it's definitely an interesting project, and still relevant, as the vast majority of PalmOS applications are still 4.x compatible.

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I stopped working on POSE because garnetvm came out.
arnims has lots of other projects he's currently working on.
but like I said, if they do go the paid route with garnetvm, I will definitely begin working on POSE again.

https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pose

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I installed POSE on my n800, OS2008. As far as the application manager is concerned, it's fine. I think I have an OS 3.5 ROM image at home, and if not, I have a HandSpring Visor Platinum, and should be able to get a ROM image from it. The Visor is a 68K dragonball, 33 MHz.

POSE comes up on my n800, but it wants me to right click to bring up the menu. Doing a press and hold with the stylus doesn't do it. I have an Igo BT keyboard. it comes with zero documentation. Any way to leverage it for this? The (windows) menu key, for example, doesn't seem to do it.

Does this work on any OS? I'd hate to reflash just for POSE, but might.

I have root, and am a Unix wizard. Any way to trick it?

I have skins, but haven't put them in the right place yet. Apparently, they need to be named 'skins', but where will take some research.

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That was a big issue with pose, needing that initial right click to setup.

I went about doing this with synergy.
its not optimize, so it lags.

that initial right click is needed to set up where the rom is located.
You can also start it from the command line, which would save you from having to right click, I think.

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Have folks seen this article?

Palm OS on Nokia: Strategy or tactic?

From the article:

Personally, I've not been encouraged by Access. I don't see a road map for future development, and I get the feeling that Access may have released its GVM for reasons that do not imply future development. Some good guesses have been already posted, especially by Johnx. I'll toss out a two of my own:

- Access may have had GVM in the "bank"
- Access may have released GVM as a "bone" to Nokia

Perhaps Access already had GVM in the "bank" in terms of having developed it before realizing that its market potential is minimal. Given that the beta GVM release has garnered use only among a niche group, this may well be true. At the same time, Access may be working on a closer relationship with Nokia. If this is the case, it might make sense for Access to release a basic GVM that allows Nokia to better sell its internet tablets.

Neither scenario provides much hope that Access intends to expend much effort on future GVM development. Commercial software development is expensive, and most companies are loathe to expend effort on software that has, as unique 311 points out, minimal commercial potential. It would be nice to see Access open source the GVM; however, companies often fail to see the value in doing so.

I'm going to give POSE a whirl, and I hope POSE development moves forward. I'm not a developer, I only play one on TV. But I'm going to see if I can help out on the POSE effort.

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Not yet. :D I admit that I don't really care if Access does much more with the GVM, though. It's useful to me as it is!

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Uh, obviously Access doesn't really care about the GVM on Nokia tablets. We're all beta testers for them. They plan on using the GVM in their current work, the Access Linux Platform (their version of the successor to Palm OS- Palm will have a second one in a year supposedly.) Basically they used this to work out bugs for their final ALP version of the emulator I'm sure.

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Not if its going to expire in 5 days, it won't be useful to you. :(

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By a strange coincidence, I received several "test" messages from access-company last night, one of which was from an individual. I enquied as to what was going on, and received this:

"Hi Steve,

We are preparing an update for those who downloaded the Garnet VM beta for
the Nokia tablet but the test email unintentionally gone out to some of
the users. My apologies."

The quotes are mine. Upon further enquiry, I received this:

"I'm sure you'll be happy with the new features...and it's still free! :)"

When?, I asked, and received this:
"Still working on the final details. Look for it before the end of the
week."


(Me again) - So it looks as if there is an upgrade, and I am keeping my fingers crossed that it will use the N810 display better. If so, it will be the answer to most ofthe shortcomings I find with the N810


[Quantus canis in fenestram est?]

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the beta2 is released...
WITH FULL_SCREEN SUPPORT
edit:
OMD (oh my dog) it IS NICE!!!
but i´ve a problem. i need to open a 130mb file in isilo (isilo.com).
it is possible? because we´ve only 64mb available.

out to LinuxTag
edit2: it´s not possible (isilo 130mb file)
edit3: it will expire on 31 may 2008
edit4: i think i´m not up to date... has it been mentioned before??? because the expire date was mentioned...

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I've installed the update full screen portrait isn't bad and mathlib works. I can use Medcalc ! It wipes all programs on install however so I haven't tried on my main GVM as I need to use that today.

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Alright, this new release looks pretty darn cool. Now that it's portrait full screen it's a lot more usable. I'll have fun playing with this. :D

-John

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Nothing here yet :( Is there any kind of fake expansion card access? Or connecting to the host?

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Maybe you could so something tricky with the network hotsync?

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EReader now works great fullscreen in portrait mode. Plus the college dictionary also now works in conjunction with EReader. I personally like EReader's features, so I'm very happy with this new update. :cool:

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The "full screen" portrait mode is disappointing. It still displays 480h x 320w image but uses about 720 x 480 of the available 800 x 480 pixels. (720 is my estimate, based on the assumption they scaled both dimensions by 1.5). It's better than the first beta, but the loss of sharpness in the additional display mode is obvious.

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RE the expiration date, surely we have someone who's good with IDA? :D

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So, this sounds like mighty good news for many of us.
Do we uninstall our old Garnet version first, then download this new one? Wow, it will be great to be able to read my EReader books on my n800 :D

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I installed over the Beta 1 GVM. There were a few error messages the first time I started the application, but no persisting problems. The end result is the same as if you had removed, no applications, data or settings survive.

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But its worth it, right ?

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Yes, I think it's a worthwhile improvement. The pixel density of the N8x0 screen is high enough that the 1.5x scaling used in the near full screen portrait mode is still comfortable to read.

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I have a lot of crashes on my N800. Anyone else have this? Seems to be random, but a def crash happens when I test alarm

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I get a bunch of crashes myself. Twice now, I've gone into the prefs menu, and turned the sound from medium to low and it has crashed.