[Canola] Canola2 Beta3 Feedback Thread
 

This is the thread to discuss the Canola2 Beta3 update that was released on February 8, 2008.
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It works pretty well for me on N800. I have a few comments.

1. "empty" genre should be deleted. I have a bunch of files with tags that canola can't read. For them, the genre shows as a number like (57) or (13). I'm working on my PC with tagtool to rewrite tags and i fixed most of them. Files now have correct genre, but my genre list in canola still has the mistakes. I can delete database file and rerun to fix. But i think canola should do it.

I wish there were a way to edit tags within the n800.

2. Can canola allow me to delete songs? Sometimes something I hate plays and I need to remove it. the built in music player allows it. canola should.

3. In the genre view, can you show artist and song? I have lots of versions of the same song and need to differentiate.

You should understand this. I don't use the cover art downloader. Most of my songs are mp3 that I created in the old days-one big directory of files, no tags or incomplete tags, no info on album. I saw tags as an evil RIAA conspiracy. It would not be possiible to reorganize everything in directories by album name.

5. I don't wannt playback to start so soon. In genre view, I wonder 'which is that' and when I choose to read more, then the song plays, but I did not want it to.

6. The canola diisplay is full screen. I find it very tough to navigate to other programs to get podcast addresses and paste them into canola.

7. Can you tell us how to remmove built in media player annd make canola default?

Thanks for the program.
PJ

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just updated... where are the photos??????????

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and... this should be a STICKY

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Can someone explain me how the "Multiple album entries" work?

Oh, and the photocast doesn't work to me. It takes a life to load each picture...

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I'm having difficulty getting it to subscribe to quite a few audio podcasts that work fine in other podcasting clients.

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It actually installed for me on the first try! Yay!

I'm also having a problem getting a podcast feed to show up; I added the URL for the RSS feed (ends with ?feed=rss2), and it correctly fetches the title of the podcast, but said there was nothing available.

A weird problem I noticed -- when using the N810's keyboard, I couldn't get the 'fn' or caps keys to work at all. This resulted in me having to pull up the onscreen keyboard in order to type in a URL, since I couldn't get a / or ? or = any other way...

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Beta3 is still not working for me. This time I tried
Still the same error :(

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Same problem Here...just wont show any pictures!!!

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Hi, the refresh all didn't help with this?
Apart from that we will dive into the things you said.

I understand your need, but for now we don't have plans to do that. We focus first on consumption of your media. Managing it, should be (at least in our opinion) done where you whole media is located (your pc) with easier input etc.

While we do have plans to allow videos to be deleted (like the podcasts) we don't have plans to add it, but there's already a design to do that. Maybe in the future. (again : less features, not more features ) .. and we are not trying to do everything the media player does... that's is not the point..



Suggestion written, we will investigate this, but again, low priority.

I understand =) And you should understand something :

1) we cannot fulfill everyone's dreams and needs. It's just impossible. It would be a mess of UI to allow people to do everything every single one wants. So before saying "Canola should ... canola should " why don't try the "Canola could.." "would it be nice if Canola", just to be as polite as we are with everyone =)

2) We cannot focus canola on one user's profile, and thus we have the painful job of choosing this that will not enter. Sorry, but it's just not possible to have everything.

BUT.. of course there's issues that are general, and maybe your problem will be solved in another way... if our additions planned solve them.. nice, if not we will not be able to add them. BUT you still have 2 last resorts:

a) if more people have the same need as you, there will be not only feature request, but someone is going to do a plugin to help this.

b) exercise your freedom, and search for a player that better fits your needs ( I really don't like this one : ) )


Don't get me wrong =) But you write as we are developing canola just for you. Maybe is not your intention but sounds a little more "rude" than it should. Why don't you try

"Maybe the playback could take longer"...

Maybe the addition of more info like you said help this out, but we will not change the click -> play speed. Actually I would make it even faster if it was possible. less delay is the key

The design only works because it's fullscreen. Thats a high price for a lot of people, but again, you can choose.

anyways I really don't see how is that difficult to just click on the home button on your n800 and click on the home menu to go back to any other application. 2 interactions! the same if there was control in the fullscreen button! one to minimize canola other to choose the application to go.

Hit home, the menu of open applications will appear choose the next app.

Why is that hard to do ?

Sorry I don't think that is possible : /

You're welcome, but bare in mind that Canola needs to be simple =)

Br

Marcelo

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Guys, please... tell us a little bit more about your problems before posting.
I cannot help a "Wheres my photos" message : /

So guide to posting :

1. Face the problem
2. try to reproduce it
[once you are able to reproduce it]
3. state your system, firmware (and if needed canola version 2 or 3 )
4. run canola on xterm, look for exceptions or errors, paste it here for us
5. if something is missing, try a reboot (without the power cable)
6. check the media library. Are your folder "checked" to watch for content?

BR

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Hi AmigoKin,

If you have soundtrack CDs (multiple artists in one album) it can happen that they will be duplicated by Canola. There are just several ways tags can "show that is a compilation" so to avoid guessing, and make dirty hacks, we did this multiple entries wizard.

What does it do?

It searchs your media library for possible duplicated albums that should be one. For example.. you have a tribute to Metallica, and it appears as 14 different albums (one for each artist) instead of just 1.

hitting the multiple entries, the album will appear that... click it will show you a selection of the possible albums that are part of that one... just make sure they are one album.. hit combine... canola will clean up, copy covers everything for you.

Hope this helps!

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Rocketman : then you need to send us the URLs, we need to investigate what could be happening. Podcasts sometimes have different formats, publishers forgets some tags, and maybe one of these details slow downs canola parsing. But we can only improve this if you send those problematic feeds for us.

BR

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JD : please send us the feed so we can test / improve it and fix any bugs that maybe causing that.

The keyboard is a known issue (we found what yesterday actually) we are already working on that... sorry for that, we will try to release a quick update to fix this as it is very serious...

BR

Marcelo

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Hi!

Did you reboot the device?
Did you mark the correct folders for watching the pictures?

Does it still facing this problem? can you run canola in xterm and send us the log (canola -vv)

Br

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We are working on a better flickr client. This one todays needs to download the picture (sometimes comes too big) then need to scale it down, etc etc.. so it gets slow sometimes. But in fast networks it works "ok" not optimal but ok.

Anyways, thanks for the feedback we will keep investigating and trying to improve.

Br

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NO! Thank YOU for this wonderful piece of software. Canola is my primary media player for the tablet :-)

What I *really* want is the possibility to choose the cover image for the albums. I hope you can add that in the next release.

Keep the great work!

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Hei =) but you saw how it will work right? the pieces are there =)
now when we add the "pick from file" the quest for album work will be complete!

Thanks for the compliment (in behalf of the whole team!)

Br

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The album cover select rockz! I just wanted to suggest you that thing and you've already made it! Awesome! And the bug with first second of random song during trackchange has gone I think. Anyway I haven't faced it still. Great job!

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Wazd: Thanks! =) actually you can take a look in the WUD video ( marceloeduardo.blip.tv ) that I showcase this cover selection.

The goal now is really how to add the features you guys want, without needing to add more buttons / clumsy.

The cover selection is an example. Can be a little bit "hidden" for some users, but once you learn it, maybe other things can happen. If you could see the trick for the now playing screen you would be quite excited about it, but IP problems prevent us from doing it.. maybe in the future= )

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love the updates!!...really hoping for Youtube integration!!...that would rock....also playback of the .flv videos...option to save them to my n800 built into Canola would be great!


Thanx again for the great work!

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Youtube is almost there =) actually is fully done ( streaming videos ) but there seems to be a bug with mplayer that some videos fails. We are investigating.. but the plan is to have it in the next big update!

About the save the videos, that was the goal, but we cannot stream / save at the same time at the moment. It seems that the way mplayer streams doesn't let us do that. Of course people will be able to download it using the future videocast feature but we are not going to dive into this right now.

BR

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Honestly, I have seen very little change between the versions, in fact none. I have deleted the entire program and tuning and still see the same ID3 tag mistakes on the reinstall. Is there a database thats needs to be removed somewhere? All my music has been repaired with fixtunes and everything is perfect in the files. I just don't get it. Mediabox loads all the files quickly and displays all album covers and artistnames and titles perfectly! Am I not getting something. I think your goals with Canola may be too complex for someone who needs a simple MP3 player.

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@rjoudrey :
You should not see it, actually you should not see almost at all.. why? because sometimes they are bugs (happily) you haven't faced =)

The thing is : we are not nearly done rj, and once it's there it will be able to load correct (and some incorrect) media files and display them correctly.

If the ID3 problems still happening, it's because it was not fully fixed. There was nothing on the changelog about it : / it's because takes more time.

We are just releasing faster,.. to make sure we get feedback faster than the software evolves faster.

You should not consider "each release" as a new version. They are small. iterative updates searching for a common goal.

But hei, no worries, I am a advocate for choice as I talk a lot here... if it's not able to fulfill your needs you have plenty of options eg: the media box as you said.

Unfortunately for me, mediabox doesn't even handle my photo collection, thus I can choose between quiver and canola, both can handle it and then I decided which one to use. Problems will always happen, then is up to the applications to evolve and fix them.

So, in the end : it was 5 days work, did you really think we were going to do some major updates? =)

ps: try deleting it (/home/user/.canola/canola.db ) but if there's a bug still on our id3 parsing.. it will still be there.

cheers,

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I noticed if one continues to hold the Fn or Caps key while typing it should work just fine.

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When I removed any big sized pictures and reopened Canola, it now shows all of my pics.

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hi glenn,

could you open a bug in garage and upload these big sized pictures that are preventing canola from showing your pictures?

this is probably an issue with the configuration of lightmediascanner, the open source project that canola uses to parse media files. currently if it takes more than 1 second to parse any file, it skips this file and it may loose some other files that were previously processed. this should not happen in pictures as we read only the headers and the exif tags of the files, but there might be some bug in the scanner with those big images.

thanks for reporting your feedback!

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@Rocketman:

Please fill a bug report with the URI's of the podcast feeds that do not work for you, and I will have a look.

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Can you please file a bug-report for mediabox regarding the photo collection? That would be great! Thanks and keep up the impressive work with Canola (although I don't like it being closed-source).

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Marcelo

Any update on bug #2117, Hardware keys do not FF or Rewind, beta 3 did not address it :(

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I like the look of Canola but Kagu is still better music player to me because of maemoscrobbler support and headphone sense. I would really like to see those features in Canola.

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Hello - does anyone else have this problem -solution?

Canola loads components then just sits at the green screen and does nothing. I'm using N770HE.

~ $ canola
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "ecore.c_ecore_timer.pxi", line 12, in ecore.c_ecore.timer_cb
File "ecore.c_ecore_timer.pxi", line 74, in ecore.c_ecore.Timer._exec
File "plugins/canola-core/main/controller.py", line 171, in _lazy_init
File "plugins/canola-core/main/controller.py", line 74, in __init__
File "plugins/canola-core/main/controller.py", line 82, in _connect_to_canola_daemon
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.py", line 291, in connect_to_signal
self._obj.connect_to_signal(signal_name, handler_function, dbus_interface, **keywords)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 152, in connect_to_signal
**keywords)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.py", line 179, in add_signal_receiver
named_service = bus_object.GetNameOwner(named_service, dbus_interface='org.freedesktop.DBus')
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 25, in __call__
ret = self._proxy_method (*args, **keywords)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 102, in __call__
reply_message = self._connection.send_with_reply_and_block(message , timeout)
File "dbus_bindings.pyx", line 466, in dbus_bindings.Connection.send_with_reply_and_block
DBusException: Could not get owner of name 'br.org.indt.canola.Daemon': no such name
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "edje.c_edje_object.pxi", line 42, in edje.c_edje.signal_cb
File "/window.py", line 245, in _cb_on_edje_clicked_back
File "/window.py", line 182, in back
File "plugins/canola-core/main/controller.py", line 602, in cb_on_back
AttributeError: 'MainController' object has no attribute '_taskcont'
Killed

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@dbuur the common and boring questions =) :

a. did you installed the correct version for HE (using 2006 packages not bora) ?
b. did you try pablob tips, in fully removing (using terminal) canola2, it's library and then tried installing again?

If so, let me know... we will investigate further but as in a first glance I cannot help much...

BR

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Headphone sense was suggested, is a great idea, but entered the final of the queue : /

last.fm is on the list, after youtube support.

BR

Marcelo

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@eaaronp : the hardware keys support is coming, it's not only " adding " it to them I posted about how they are going to work, so it takes a little more time to do it right..
and of course we set some " priorities" like.. not detecting people's song, id3 problems as first to go :/

sorry, but don't worry this will be added as soon as we can do it!

BR

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Hi!

Actually I have one big sd card (8 and 4 gigas) that are used as My media and also ended up as canola testing cards (of course I added a lot of media from people here in the forum)

As we are loading the pictures with no hacks, I think what's happening is not really a bug, just memory full, because Mediabox says
" Loading 1086 items " goes.. goes... and then locks everything up... not even the home button in hardware answers, or when it answers couple of minutes ago nothing is able to drawn there.

I think you can test with a bigger library only to see if that's hte problem...

But it was not a critic, or even that I think it's a real problem for you... was just a way of exemplifying that things sometimes doesn't work for our specifics " scenarios " the same way like canola doesn't have the sense support, or even will never have the same "playlist" style of kagu.. or the always on menu approach you chose. That's the beauty of it =)

Even, there's already a lot of open source media player =) why one more (Ok, I'm kidding on this one)

But hey! 75% of canola is open source =)

Cheers dude!

Marcelo

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I always forget to answer those questions. I did install the correct version, and I did use the terminal to erase all of the previous install.

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dbuurr : our last resort then :

1) did you install some fix to the kernel, what kind of applications / repositories do you have installed?

Because, what is our starting point :

we get clean devices, flashed, no applications nothing... and install canola in all of them.. in all firmwares possibles in the 3 devices (770, n800 and n810) if Canola itself had a problem on it's own those installation would fail.

But canola can have a failure attached to the presence or absense of some component due to the installation of other applications...

Also, HE is by far from our point of view the worst firmware to use with Canola... but we indeed have canola2 installing fine on it : /

So send me more information on those... and I know it sucks to suggest that... could you do a clean install? (from a flashed device) ?

BR

Marcelo

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Hi Canola team, I have just updated my Canola 2 beta from beta 2 to beta 3 and added Canola Tuning Apps on my Nokia 770 (OS2006) & N800 & N810 (OS2008) from the Application Manager with NO problems on any of the three platforms. Very impressed with the smooth installation/update.

I have raised a bug about *.png images not appearing in the three row thumbnail view. https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/ind...=125&atid=1989

Keep up the great work. looking forward to the future update that provides UPnP support :)

--edit--- like the album art selector for each album when in album art view and selecting an album to play then selecting the cover (To see alternatives), it is a little hidden away gem when you find it! ;) :)

UI Feels even smoother in this Canola2 beta 3 release, getting more admiring glances at work when showing friends etc.

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At 1st I was all excited to see a new update, but after multiple attempts at updating, uninstalling, reinstalling, cleaning the repository list, etc... I am not able to install Canola. It will keep telling me "installation failed" with no other explanation so now I'm without Canola :(